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post Nov 4 2014, 06:57 PM

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QUOTE(leoric @ Nov 4 2014, 05:52 PM)
Thanks for the advice..
Will buy the Kenanga OnePRS growth fund for the PRS...
Then, will start to build my first fund portfolio..
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why PRS ? it's quite risky if u are young.. No volatility.. withdrawal before retirement tax 8%

This post has been edited by woonsc: Nov 4 2014, 07:21 PM
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post Nov 4 2014, 07:07 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 4 2014, 07:02 PM)
Tax penalty for pre-retirement withdrawal is 8% not 15%
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post Nov 4 2014, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Nov 4 2014, 07:09 PM)
8% tax for withdrawal like David shared
+ U can only withdraw from Account B only, which holds 30% of your PRS

However, is this risky?
U sure no volatility? Crystal ball gazing?
U do know there are 3 "core types" of PRS per se right?
Growth or Aggressive PRS types not volatile? What are the underlying assets held by the PRS fund of Growth or Aggressive types?  brows.gif
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i mean it's like a fixed saving.. you wont be able to use it in times of emergency..
That's what my friends told me.. if u are still young..
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post Nov 4 2014, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Nov 4 2014, 07:32 PM)
if he's looking at it as an investment, with ups & downs + holding for >=10-30 years+,
AND he has emergency funds built,
why would he worry about it "untouchable"?

heck, if his tax rate is 26%
AND he puts into PRS
THEN takes out from a/c B, he still makes 26%-8% = 18%

Tiok boh?
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post Nov 7 2014, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 7 2014, 09:35 AM)
hmm.gif reported in year 2006

here is what i found that was published in 2010....

EPF Funds Potentially Give Higher Return Than Your EPF February 22, 2010
Over the past five years, Employment Provident Fund (EPF) distributed an average of 5.0% of dividend annually. Average real dividend rate for the past five years was 1.7% after reflecting an average inflation rate of 3.4%. In this article, we explained why EPF distributions are generally lower in nature and how EPF approved funds can be an option for investors who are willing to take higher risk for higher yields.

For 5-year annualised return, all funds recorded annualised return of above 10%, higher than the average dividend distribution of 5% for the past five years. During a market bull-run, which happened in 2009 (Referring to 1-year performance comparison), Malaysia equity funds were able to deliver return of above 20%. Malaysia balanced funds delivered returns ranging from 13.6% to 22.1% within the same period.

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...l?articleNo=509

goto fund info, then fund selector then click EPF approved "yes", then click generate table...to view the latest 10 years annualised returns of these many EPF approved funds with > 9% annualised return.
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...fundSelect.svdo

hmm.gif guess,...there are reason(s) for criticizing an ordinary investor that criticized the fund was faulty. icon_rolleyes.gif
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latest data more reliable..
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post Nov 8 2014, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 8 2014, 11:28 AM)
Got English version?
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Press Language at top right!
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post Nov 8 2014, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 8 2014, 03:05 PM)
I wanna bring up a rather unpopular topic this weekend afternoon... yawn.gif

Anyone still keeping some bond funds? Eastspring Investments Bond Fund? Kenanga Bond Fund? AmDynamic Bond? unsure.gif

Now I only got RHB-OSK Emerging Markets Bond (since April 2012, IRR at 5.5% biggrin.gif ), with bulk in RHB-OSK CMF (well, 3.38% yield with near-zero volatility, there's little to complain...).

Seems like bond funds have been making some quiet recovery lately, 1-year return 4% on average, with some outstanding performers like AMB Income Trust (12%! sweat.gif ).
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I am using the 120 rule..
i should have 101% in Equity HAHA thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

Just wanna ask, how can AMB ITF get 12%?
when interest rates go up, i thought yield goes down? rclxub.gif
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post Nov 8 2014, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 8 2014, 03:30 PM)
Bukan 100 rule meh? Sejak bila sudah jadi 120? blink.gif

Dunno wor...perhaps they invested in some high risk bonds and/or did some bond trading? hmm.gif

Market is irrational.

U see US, they have been hinting at ceasing of QE for some time. But market have been purchasing Treasurys, pulling yields lower and lower...bcos they dread market meltdown perhaps?

Money has to flow somewhere. Let's say u made some wonderful profits trading local KLSE stocks, then sold all your positions. To preserve your capital, where to go? BAT yielding only 4%, office REITs u scare office oversupply, IGBREIT only yielding net 5% etc etc etc, how? U buy bonds lor.

Just my 1 sen worth of worthless opinion biggrin.gif
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120 rule i read from some book haha..
100 minus ur age is conservative, 120 allow's a person to stomach more risk tolerance.. thumbup.gif
http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/stoc...-minus-age.html

yeah, but 12% is a bit overwhelming for such a little risk compared to normal funds..
Anyway.. it's just a temporary hikes, you never know what comes in the future..

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post Nov 8 2014, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 8 2014, 04:12 PM)
No more bond funds in my portfolio.

I created my own "bond fund". laugh.gif
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How? tongue.gif
"Qualified Investor"? brows.gif brows.gif
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post Nov 8 2014, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 8 2014, 04:21 PM)
FD doh.gif
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Haha..
CMF > Bond..
Pratically no risk and Similar Reward..

How much % do you have in ur current "bond" fund?
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post Nov 8 2014, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 8 2014, 04:36 PM)
71% because it's inclusive of my emergency funding. That's why I don't want to term as bond or CMF nor include it in the investment portfolio discussion. laugh.gif
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post Nov 8 2014, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 8 2014, 04:50 PM)
You don't understand my family condition; so better don't comment on it.

Pink Spider understands why I'm hoarding such high level of cash.
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sorry if i overstep into ur personal boundary, I hope all will turn out towards good..
I will also start hording my extra savings into CMF rather then a bond fund based on ur recommendations.
PEACE! V
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post Nov 8 2014, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 8 2014, 04:58 PM)
CMF is a good choice but bear in mind that you need to factor the delay when you do the redemption to your saving account.

It's not that you can get the money immediately as compared to FD upliftment or high interest saving account like M2U Saver/Saver-i
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agree.. and T+2 is quite efficient already..
compared to early withdrawal and get no interest..
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post Nov 10 2014, 12:42 AM

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QUOTE(langstrasse @ Nov 10 2014, 12:10 AM)
Folks,

I've got a general question :
For FSM users, how often do you actually track your investments? What I mean is after buying into funds do you monitor weekly/daily/several times a day etc?
I'm thinking that if you've made a long term decision you wouldn't need to monitor very often unless major economic/geopolitical issues crop up right?
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i monitor everyday.. see the up and downs..

sooo that i can remind myself, every dollar saved now, is gonna make my future brighter.. tongue.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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post Nov 10 2014, 08:52 AM

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QUOTE(zDarkForceSz @ Nov 10 2014, 08:23 AM)
Haha I don't monitor everyday...
Later heart attack  shakehead.gif
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laugh.gif haha see percentage, not amount.. -1% of a portfolio of RM1000 is same with portfolio of Rmone million tongue.gif
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post Nov 10 2014, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 10 2014, 09:35 AM)
I also check my portfolio every day, cos I too free tongue.gif

But I don't go and THINK what to do every day laugh.gif
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icon_rolleyes.gif nod.gif same-same..
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post Nov 10 2014, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(yck1987 @ Nov 10 2014, 02:22 PM)
Pink, any bond fund that u can intro ? I already dump my last bond fund Amdynamite 4 months ago.
Or just keep extra cash in CMF is the good idea? I want to pull out some from Equity to make my portfolio not being over aggresive. Currently in 80%Eq:20%Bond
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hmm.gif hmm.gif You say u dumped ur last bond fund, where does the 205 comes from?
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post Nov 10 2014, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 10 2014, 02:50 PM)
Why u didn't ask why I didn't bother to top up anymore? sad.gif

For really long-term holding, sales charge is better than platform fee shakehead.gif

All my units are bought with SC thus will not attract platform fee biggrin.gif
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for long term

Eastspring Investments Bond Fund is a better choice right?

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post Nov 12 2014, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 29 2014, 09:19 PM)
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Hey, I just wanna start track my portfolio now, how do I create the side bar?
What function is it?

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post Nov 14 2014, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Nov 14 2014, 09:37 PM)
If I were to treat CMF as FD, I need to sell the capital appreciation and reinvest  back to enjoy compounded interest?
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what? haha.. IF u sell, then u miss the interest for that few days?
why see? rclxub.gif rclxub.gif waste energy..
CMF is like a daily interest..
+3.39%/ 365 days
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