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post Aug 28 2014, 11:40 AM, updated 12y ago

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TANJUNG MALIM 27 Ogos - Proton Holdings Bhd. (Proton), akan memulakan ujian pengeluaran model terbaharunya dengan nama gelaran PCC di kilangnya di sini dalam masa terdekat.

Timbalan Ketua Pegawai Eksekutifnya, Khairudin Datuk Yusoff berkata, ujian pengeluaran itu akan memastikan PCC berada di semua bilik pameran Proton sebelum model itu dilancarkan tidak lama lagi.

Beliau berkata, kilang Proton di Tanjung Malim merupakan kilang berkonsepkan pintar dan kini telah bersedia untuk memulakan pengeluaran pertama PCC.

Katanya, enjin untuk PCC akan dipasang di Shah Alam sebelum dihantar semula ke Tanjung Malim untuk pengeluaran sepenuhnya model tersebut.

"Kilang di Tanjung Malim ini sebenarnya mengeluarkan model Persona pada tahun 2007, model Gen 2 untuk eksport pada 2004, model Preve (2012), Suprima S (2013) dan yang terbaharu model PCC pada tahun ini,'' katanya pada sidang akhbar di majlis lawatan media ke kilang Proton di sini hari ini.

Kilang Proton di Tanjung Malim dikhususkan untuk pengeluaran model generasi baharu yang dibuka pada tahun 2004 dengan kos sebanyak RM1.8 bilion di kawasan seluas 512 hektar.

Pelaburan untuk fasa pertama membabitkan kos sebanyak RM1.52 bilion dan mampu mengeluarkan 150,000 buah kereta setahun dengan 2,442 orang pekerja.

Khairudin berkata, proses pengeluaran di kilang itu mengandungi lima bahagian iaitu enjin dan mesin transmisi, stamping, pemasangan badan kereta, mengecat, kemasan dan pemasangan akhir.

"Kilang ini menggunakan 205 robot dan berupaya mengeluarkan tiga platform kenderaan yang berbeza serta mampu mengeluarkan sembilan jenis model pada satu-satu masa,'' kata beliau.

Jelasnya, kilang di Tanjung Malim mempunyai keupayaan tinggi mengeluarkan PCC yang mempunyai ciri-ciri keselamatan terbaik dalam model segmen B.

Beliau turut memberitahu keupayaan kilang itu untuk menggunakan teknologi dari Jerman iaitu teknologi pembentukan panas (HPF) untuk model-model Preve, Suprima S dan PCC.

Teknologi itu katanya, dirintis oleh Proton dan merupakan syarikat automotif yang pertama di ASEAN dan biasanya digunakan untuk kereta-kereta buatan Eropah seperti Volkswagen, BMW, Ford dan lain-lain.

HPF itu akan menguatkan kerangka dan membantu menghasilkan penjimatan minyak tanpa mengurangkan ciri-ciri keselamatannya. PCC dilengkapi dengan lapan komponen HPF.




Artikel Penuh: http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/Korporat/2...u#ixzz3BednbH7d
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"For a simple comparison, Proton pointed out that the Volkswagen Polo, Audi A4 and BMW 5 Series use five, nine and 13 HPF parts respectively, while both the Preve and Suprima S have 12 each (the red bits below). Japanese automakers, on the other hand, have not adopted such a technique."

As for comparison Proton Preve/suprima s have 12 HPF parts. Perodua AXIA i don't know. Zero kot.

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post Aug 28 2014, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(andrewcha @ Aug 28 2014, 11:43 AM)
no matter what they build, still a proton
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Wow. I thought at first they building honda. Thank you mr obvious.
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post Aug 28 2014, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(Joe Kreutz @ Aug 28 2014, 11:44 AM)
What is hpf?? Hpf stands for.......??
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hot press forming metal. I think only few countries has this factory. And proton have one.
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post Aug 28 2014, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(ry8128 @ Aug 28 2014, 02:50 PM)
This shows how shallow thinkin Proton supporters are.. With this hpf thing, they def Proton and think it's gonna be world class.. Lmao..
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yes. Without HPF, proton can be high class too. LMAO.

Everything Proton do, all just rubish by the bashers. yawn.gif
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post Aug 28 2014, 03:19 PM

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"For a simple comparison, Proton pointed out that the Volkswagen Polo, Audi A4 and BMW 5 Series use five, nine and 13 HPF parts respectively, while both the Preve and Suprima S have 12 each (the red bits below). Japanese automakers, on the other hand, have not adopted such a technique."

Read more: http://paultan.org/2014/08/28/proton-pcc-t.../#ixzz3BfXJETYJ
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post Aug 28 2014, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(superb999 @ Aug 28 2014, 03:23 PM)
Why is it so hard for proton to understand the recipe of success? Malaysian dont care about safety. See the highest selling car, safe or not? Doesnt matter at all
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you are definetly wrong. People care most safety on Proton cars, but when it comes to other cars, they don't care. laugh.gif

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post Aug 28 2014, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(Toyoi @ Aug 28 2014, 03:34 PM)
see, blame rakyat again.

there are over 130 other countries for Potong to conquer. go sell over there lah, why depend on local rakyat that no longer trust Potong.
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Because our rakyat love china cars.
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QUOTE(bigmac999 @ Aug 28 2014, 03:50 PM)
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Which proton you have? The one without HPF?
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post Aug 28 2014, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Aug 28 2014, 03:52 PM)
HPF for steel? i think a lot of car many move to aluminium already... and luxury makers are going for carbon fibre
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Axia also aluminum woo.
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post Aug 28 2014, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(zabanya @ Aug 28 2014, 04:12 PM)
this, everything also rakyat is at fault
if potong make such a good quality car, why would rakyat opt to other brand right
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PCC quality or not?
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QUOTE(ry8128 @ Aug 28 2014, 04:23 PM)
Kesian, so desperate..

If really proton is good and we Malaysians are just stupid bashers, proton should have success at other countries.. By too bad it's not the case..

Why? It's common sense bro, not a rocket science.. So I believe fanboy like u should und too smile.gif
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the thing is basher is bashing. They NEVER acknowledge any improvement or effort from Proton when they actually did. HPF investment is part of their effort which i think a major thing. There only few HPF facilities in the world. HPF is new for Proton. Thus i give them credit.

There is a difference between blind bashing and criticizing. And of course there is also blind supporters who support and buy Proton because of national pride. At the early stage of Proton, people buy because of this alone. Now, hardcore UMNO pun ludah kat Proton.

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QUOTE(SamsengFan @ Aug 28 2014, 04:44 PM)
HPF awesum bero!!

Mantap

cantek!!!!

Manyak baguih!!!
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QUOTE(Toyoi @ Aug 28 2014, 04:57 PM)
Volvo the world's strongest safest cars also tarak hoo-ha bising2 pun

that's difference of being delusional vs. humble
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Proton ho ha.. still people don't know. All rubbish. rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(James Bum @ Aug 31 2014, 06:37 PM)
tak boleh cakap cam tu bai... kita kena tgk kat overall bigger picture

buat kilang kereta ni sebenarnya utk apa? utk untung kan? walaupun P2 engineers just redesigned some models from daihatsu at least their cars are sell able and they are giving the consumers what they want sbb tu la dia market leader utk Msia local manufacturer for several years dah ni... ko design la keta camana canggih pun boleh terbang ke apa ke tapi kalau xleh nak jual atau org tak nak beli x guna jugak

Contoh cam Gen.2... mmg la designnya quite nice and sporty IMHO tapi x ramai org nak... lepas redesign jd Persona baru sales pick-up... kenape? sbb Gen.2 time tu design utk puaskan tengku mahaleel yg mmg taste ke arah sporty punya keta tp itu bukannye what consumer wants...paham x?

And lg satu kalau proton nak design apa keta dia nak pun aku x kisah asalkan dia x affect consumers... ini tak... rugi pastu kena gomen bail-out or gomen kena buat policy supaya kita nak tak nak kena beli keta dia and mcm2 lg... Lg satu P2 ni banding ngan Proton, xde byk support dia dpt... aku rasa gomen takkan bail out P2 kalau dia nak bangkrupt
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Perodua is more like ambik kesempatan to be 'national' car. They get the same treatment like national car, but none of their R&D came from local engineer. So apa tujuan sebenar penubuhan Perodua? Kalau nak menyemarakkan auto engineering dkt malaysia aku tak kisah. Tapi ini dah 20 tahun. Kalau ada engineer tempatan dekat perodua yang cuba2 design kereta, lepas tu tunjuk dekat orang jepun, paling kuat pun kena puji. Tak penah jadi kenyataan. Company jepun ni menangguk di air keruh. National car status, tapi jual Axia lagi mahal dari jual Daihatsu Ayla dekat indonesia. Padahal dah dapat EEV semua bagai.

Gen2 not because design bro. DPU on gentoo and waja is bad.
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QUOTE(James Bum @ Aug 31 2014, 07:18 PM)
Ko kena ingat P2 ni kalau pape berlaku kemungkinan utk DRB or Khazanah utk bail out diaorg amat tipis... diaorg on their own. So rather then risk making losses (mana ada bizness nak buat rugi?) diaorg buat la rebadge... and kalau diaorg x amik kesempatan to be national car maka bodoh la diaorg. Tujuan sebenar P2 adalah utk buat untung, pasal menyemarakkan auto engineering tu aku not sure... Ya proton pun menyemarakkan auto engineering tapi sampai ke level mana?

Lg satu P2 ni dah provide pekerjaan utk about 5,000 ppl of our local people.... and true some may not learn very deep automotive know-how tapi diorg gain elsewhere through Japanese production system and quality control yg diajar oleh Jepun2 tersebut. Dan mereka yg belajar ilmu2 ini semua mungkin akan spred ke other industries and inadvertently improve the country's overall manufacturing system... byk concept2 Jepun dan Daihatsu/ Toyota yg diaorg dah belajar

Gen.2 and brother dia time tu Neo both pasal design... diaorg tak buat market survey yg keta sporty or 2 door dah xde org minat kecuali CEO yg minat motorsports
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Sampai ke level mana? Sampai level sekarang. Proton masih baru tapi dah banyak benda diorang belajar buat sendiri. Perodua? Ingat senang nak buat kereta?

Sebab itu tak perlu ada Perodua. Biar je UMW bawak datang kereta daihatsu toyota. Buat ape olok2 national car. Dekat indon dapat branding ori, lagi murah dekat sini dapat branding Perodua, lagi mahal.

Bila Perodua start buat kereta sendiri, aku akan sokong walaupun teruk macam mana first born diorang. Dari situ kita belajar.
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QUOTE(kaizoku30 @ Aug 31 2014, 07:59 PM)
sekali belajar, sudah 30 tahun, meanwhile kia
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Proton start doing car 15 years ago. Not 30.
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QUOTE(James Bum @ Aug 31 2014, 08:35 PM)
Proton pun start dengan rebadge MMC cars... who are we to say that P2 will not design their own cars?


In between LG designed BLM, rebadged Lancer to Inspira and latest the Accordana?
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21 years and counting. Still rebadging. As long as Daihatsu/Toyota won't teach local Perodua to design cars, then never.

They rebadge, and they also built their own car. See, when Proton rebadge suddenly not ok. When Perodua rebadge ohh that's fine. Anyway both doing rebadge, i don't endorse. The current rebadge such as Inspira and Accord is stupid. The accord make more business sense(platform sharing for real Perdana replacement), the current accord rebadge is still stupid. Building own D segment, with low volumes is not going to be profitable. They need to focus on volume market first, after that get back to D segment.

BTW, P2-30A also LG-CNS as the consultation firm.

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QUOTE(BlackPen @ Aug 31 2014, 08:43 PM)
HPF untuk buat tin milo
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HPF is not tin milo. Heh, you don't even care if Proton car is tin milo or not. As long as not Proton, tin coke pun ok.
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QUOTE(James Bum @ Aug 31 2014, 08:52 PM)
Should add 21 years of profit and counting.
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Profit goes to jepun. I don't care. We need local engineering. Perodua supposed to help Proton, in this case help local talent. Local engineer bersaing sesama sendiri, baru best. Rugila belajar universiti, cita2 masa kecil nak buat kereta.. alih2 buat bumper je.
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QUOTE(K.I.T.T @ Aug 31 2014, 08:57 PM)
kadang kadang yang aku kesian engineer yang kerja kat dalam proton tu. ada design cantik . idea bernas tapi disebabkan orang atasan kata TAK NAK / TAK BOLEH / TAK LULUS / kos tinggi bla bla bla . kesudahan habis macam tu.

part yang paling best orang atasan proton pun xde pandu kereta Proton ni sendiri. diorang pandu brand lain.
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Sebab cost dan harga jualan. Strategi sebelum ni jual kereta segmen C pada harga B. Segmen B, harga A. Ada target harga. Nak buat macam2 memang tak boleh. But now, new strategy. Segmen B, harga pun segmen B, but still affordable. So lot of thing made it to the final production on PCC. The price, definitely higher than previos Proton on same segment. Even though, this PCC is new segment for Proton.

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