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post Aug 31 2014, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 31 2014, 09:03 PM)
i think your brain not alright..

so you saying what proton is doing like 10k cars per month and losing money, is the right direction compared to  entire thai and indonesia automotive industry over 2million vehicles ...
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Need to cater both. Business and engineering talent. We still learning. At least we learn and practise. If it takes another 20 years so be it. If the purpose is right, even though lot of shortcoming, that's the challenge. Cannot quit. But too bad, during this process, there is few yang ambil kesempatan nak untung cepat. This where Proton did wrong. When people supporting the purpose of having local automative engineering on the early stage, few ambil kesempatan. Back then people buy proton just for national pride. Now fikir seratus kali to buy proton. Before buying proton, all things kena check. Even all checked, still buy non Proton. As long as not proton.
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post Aug 31 2014, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 31 2014, 09:12 PM)
if you take 20years to learn it means no talent la..  doh.gif  in real world, no one wait for you to make mistakes and learn the slow way.. either you catch up and try to survive, earning yearly profit or sink and drown when u finish up your capital reserves...
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20 years also learn but kenot practise. It either you quit, let Jepun do it. No need to say still learn, and get biasiswa.
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post Aug 31 2014, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 31 2014, 09:17 PM)
at the end of the road, it doesnt look too rosy.. you need more than usd1bil to make a competitive B/C segment global car.. so got or not this money?
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Tun already asked 1.7 billion.
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post Aug 31 2014, 09:26 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 31 2014, 09:24 PM)
see can get or not?
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get or not, will not announce la. brows.gif

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post Aug 31 2014, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(K.I.T.T @ Aug 31 2014, 09:36 PM)
aku rasa PCC ni untung sebijik x banyak. tapi pasal market tu market Perodua dah pegang selama ni  brows.gif so kerja tu agak mudah dan senang.

kalau ko tanya aku tindakan Proton terjun buat segmen kereta macam ni hanya akan "membunuh" Proton tu sendiri dalam tempoh 5 tahun akan datang.
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save this and get back in 5 yrs time. Apa yang membunuh? It is good to be competitive. And PCC is new platform for 2 other models. So it is not just entering segment, but to spawn for other model as well, the Saga 3.
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post Aug 31 2014, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(issedadecy @ Aug 31 2014, 09:54 PM)
does it blend?
how is it blend.
compare to auidi?
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kenot. Even if bomba want to cut the part with their tool kenot. Proton already informed bomba to not cut the steel where HPF located if accident happened.
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QUOTE(issedadecy @ Aug 31 2014, 10:00 PM)
so it cannot blend, they already failed at presenting people about their technology. laugh.gif
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if can blend, then the tech is fail.
Try blend your didi in your blendtec blender see can blend or not. Present your tech.

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post Aug 31 2014, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(K.I.T.T @ Aug 31 2014, 10:10 PM)
PROTON its a "cheap" manufacture. whatever segment PROTON enter sure release "cheap" car. same thing happend when 1st PROTON enter market with 1st Proton SAGA. that time Proton SAGA "cheapest" car in malaysia that time. but after 20 years this cheapest car become secondhand and  can get at RM 1k price. but same time PROTON still like that. with kind of rebadge. and plus nowdays Korean car and China car entering market and get place from our malaysians.

unless this new PROTON car built with self destructed (Suka suka terbakar. suka suka excident insuran also cant do anything ) make it non-repairable make it expensive to keep then PROTON can win market!

but yang aku tahu kat Malaysia ni selagi kereta tu boleh pakai. mereka akan pakai.
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post Aug 31 2014, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(issedadecy @ Aug 31 2014, 10:13 PM)
whistling.gif so it is designed to not blend together and to detach itself when using, sound like very exciting.
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what is so exciting?
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post Aug 31 2014, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 31 2014, 10:19 PM)
sounds like you lor.. biggrin.gif every day HPF.
  pls dont confuse HPF with ultra high strength steel.. one is a forming process (HPF) to get UHSS results for certain areas on the frame, you think automakers no use UHSS parts meh?
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UHSS, but most did not get into the HPF process. Proton before preve already use UHSS.
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post Sep 1 2014, 09:05 AM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 31 2014, 10:34 PM)
so why do you need HPF? cos its just a method to form steel high strength steel (HSS) to become ultra HSS la..

deswai i say why you keep harping about HPF... no logic
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Conventional method does not guarantee 90% part accuracy. HPF will maintain part accuracy, BIW, without need to increase metal thickness.

QUOTE(James Bum @ Sep 1 2014, 08:28 AM)
You don't care but how about the 5000 local people employed by this Japanese company feeding their family? If it's another company say Daihatsu and they don't have a national car status they may hire foreigners at the assembly line... that means around 3-4k jobs loss to foreigners

There's another car assembly company near P2 that has foreigners at the assembly line. I don't want to give names but if you know automotive well enough you should know which company is that
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So the other company is Daihatsu? Toyota?

QUOTE(James Bum @ Sep 1 2014, 08:34 AM)
All the forming done by Proton or another company? Do you really have inside knowledge or merely repeating stuffs that are already out in the net?

Do you know P2 supply parts to Proton too? Do you know which part?
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Proton already acquired the share of the stamping company. P2 supply campro engine part to Proton. So? This how the industry works. No complain.

We are talking about P2 is not doing anything to improve engineering talent, despite being 'national car' status. That is why Tun M being sour towards Perodua because they moved away from the original purpose of being the second national car company. I don't think he will allowed Perodua existed, if he knew the Japanese is taking over Perodua.

So when Perodua start build their own car, i will support them. Local engineering, and bagi makan 5k local workers.
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QUOTE(James Bum @ Sep 1 2014, 09:24 AM)
The other company is TCMA of course. Even though proton has already acquired miyazu's share, the mold design, technology up to production is done by miyazu... proton merely receives the parts. What proton did was outsourcing the process and production to them just like buying parts from vendors. Where's the tech transfer? The tech is still from Japan and this is like repeat of MMC days.

Vice versa Japanese taking over P2 that's how the industry works too.

I think mahathir is just being an old sour grape cos P2 has kicked proton in the nuts in terms of sales and profit. He failed to see that this is not north korea where you can dictate what car people should drive. People have free will and will choose what car they want.

The people will also not allow proton to exist if we knew what the protectionist policies it would result in to gain favor on proton side.
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lol, protected by government. But untung goes to japanese. brows.gif

Anyway, that is the reason why they bought the company. To acquired the tech. doh.gif
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Sep 1 2014, 09:40 AM)
your brain in long kang or what? untung go to people who do work well and pay gov for tax..then u jelly

if rugi alot in local company then you happy ? biggrin.gif
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if perodua rugi also i happy. At least they try build own cars. If untung lagi happy lah. Perodua punya service baguih. Mesti untung buat kereta sendiri.
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Sep 1 2014, 09:48 AM)
why need to build own cars but only at 10k per month cos no one overseas wanna buy? hmm.gif  u dont like meh if our industry like indo+thai make 2mil cars per year for export?
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no like. Build own cars i like.
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Sep 1 2014, 09:51 AM)
then prepare to bleed.. even lotus cant do it..u think u can meh?
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lotus build sports car lah. That is why fail. But proton build normal cars, but sales number like sports car. Proton+Lotus tech transfer.
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QUOTE(James Bum @ Sep 1 2014, 10:04 AM)
Untung goes to people who are smart, that is how business works. Those who rugi but complain well... keep on rugi la lol

Acquire the tech? Miyazu is still the one designing, maintaining and running the whole stamping production... if Proton already acquire the tech they would have done all these by themselves. In a sense P2 is also acquiring the tech from Daihatsu no? So what's the difference? P2 acquire tech from Daihatsu but let them design most of the vehicle, Proton acquire tech from Miyzau and let them do most of the jobs

P2 with annual vehicle production of about almost 200K is employing about 5K direct employees at it's manufacturing plant. If we were to have an open market like our Thai neighbors and produce about 1.5million vehicles you're looking at additional almost 40K of direct jobs just from the car companies themselves and this does not include the additional jobs created from parts suppliers/ vendors.

That's a whole lot of jobs rather than just the 10K jobs from Proton which at the same time is bleeding debt
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lol

you own the tech. You have access to the design etc. Ok lah, later all the engineer cabut, see proton can do hpf stamping or not. I think proton will start producing tin milo back. rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Sep 1 2014, 10:11 AM)
bodoh nia... if own the tech, worker cabuts, suddenly you forgot how to make the products anymore.. memang no ISO standard.. laugh.gif
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of course lah. Later proton car the only car with hpf that scored 1 star ncap.
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QUOTE(ry8128 @ Sep 1 2014, 12:17 PM)
Seriously, u better stop posting.. U really sounds like a retarded guy with those comment (or on a softer side, like a tin kosong)..
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tin kosong with hpf method thumbup.gif

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