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post Aug 25 2014, 03:36 AM

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QUOTE(asunakirito @ Aug 25 2014, 12:50 AM)
Budget around 200-350 for active studio speakers (with knobs for controlling volume, treble and bass).
QUOTE(asunakirito @ Aug 25 2014, 12:50 AM)
If there are better ones which just needs to increase my budget slightly, please share.  smile.gif
I find it strange there are little brands locally, mostly Edifier.
Edifier produces very affordable HiFi quality studio monitors. For around that budget range, try looking at Edifier R1600T III. And if you want to up a notch and increasing budget to around RM500 to RM600 range, then I would highly recommend Edifier Studio 7 (a.k.a Edifier R2700)... nod.gif

QUOTE(asunakirito @ Aug 25 2014, 12:50 AM)
Currently one of my passive speaker loses sound, so looking for a brand new one.
What was the speaker brand and model? And what was the brand and model of the amplifier used to drive those speakers? Have you checked properly the whether the source of the problem stems from the passive speaker or the amplifier itself? hmm.gif

QUOTE(asunakirito @ Aug 25 2014, 12:50 AM)
Are there other brands bought locally? (e.g. polk audio,klipsch)
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Those brands are available locally, but they are usually out of your budget range (mostly in the 4-digit range)... tongue.gif

QUOTE(pspslim007 @ Aug 25 2014, 12:56 AM)
Sonic Gear Evo 9 , Have a remote control(very cool for this price of speaker) , nice Bass (i mean like seriously!) , 2 mic jack (lol i know right) , USB and Memory card reader(well its a plus for me) , radio , 3.5mm jack (input) , and lastly BLUETOOTH!! (somehow works well with my hand phone but not my pc dont know why) . Go check it out .
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I wonder if you ever noticed that there are hardly any Sonic Gear recommendations here. Here is one of the reasons: Special Interest -> Home Entertainment -> Audiophiles -> Speaker Discovery Channel, Speaker brand giving fake spec. Sonic Gear does not really manufacture speakers but takes them from OEMs (most of them hardly known or very obscure), thus the quality is all over the place depending on the model... icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Aug 25 2014, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(asunakirito @ Aug 25 2014, 07:33 AM)
Thanks lex for your recommendation.
Do you know where I could audition these Edifier speakers? (The R1600T III and Edifier Studio 7)
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I think Edifier himself already mentioned it earlier, at Viewnet and Sri Computer in Low Yat Plaza KL. wink.gif

QUOTE(asunakirito @ Aug 25 2014, 07:49 PM)
Which Edifier model speaker you sold off? Is it  Edifier R2700 or Edifier R1600T III?
I'm not a bass-head person, so same boat as you smile.gif
If not mistaken, this one: Trade Zone -> Garage Sales -> Entertainment Garage Sales -> Music Players and Audio Accessories -> <WTS> Edifier 3500 [SOLD], 5.1 speaker (PC Speakers)... hmm.gif

QUOTE(asunakirito @ Aug 25 2014, 07:49 PM)
Mine is more for listening to music, watching video/movie and for video editing (mixing music)
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Those speakers should be fine, and are very well suited for music editing and mixing (primary purpose of studio monitors)... icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Aug 26 2014, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(herojack41 @ Aug 26 2014, 06:38 PM)
not sure about those mahal2 high end model of edifier

Edifier is more like making large amount model and quantity to fill up the market only

i never seen Edifier as a pro audio brand. it just not my taste
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There are expensive high end Edifier speakers, such as the S2000 model (also a studio monitor). And not everyone has deep pockets. Thus there is where Edifier fills in the gap, to provide quality speakers at affordable prices. Besides Edifier, there are also other top tier speaker specific manufacturers such as HiVi and MicroLab, etc. Of course there are also lower tiers such as Sonic Gear, Salpido, Vinnfier, etc. For example: iXBT Labs > Кристальный звук: Сравнительное тестирование стереоколонок Edifier R2700 и Microlab Solo 9C / апрель-2014 head-to-head the Edifier still won in terms of sound quality. cool.gif

QUOTE(asunakirito @ Aug 26 2014, 08:40 PM)
I'm not sure about the brand, the only label it has is "Amplified Multi-media Speaker System". I opened it up inside once to clean the internals, and didn't find any brand label.

It has a 4 inch woofer + 1 inch tweeter
Basically a 2.0 speakers W x H x D = 130 x 240 x 170 mm, cost around RM300 about +10 years ago.
At 50% volume, it basically fill up the entire room similar to Clem review on the Edifier R1600Tiii.
Usually play at 40% volume since its just sitting close on my desk.
Sounds like a small room. Also seems like an OEM speaker since there is no brand name printed on it. Some pictures of that speaker may shed some light as well... hmm.gif

QUOTE(asunakirito @ Aug 26 2014, 08:40 PM)
Really? I could get them below the 4-digit range via Newegg.com including shipping and tax.
There are some promotion for those speakers where they slash the price by 50%.
However, I'm looking for active speakers (active speaker for control + passive speaker connected to the active)
If you buy them from official dealers here then usually around the 4-digit level. Those speakers are usually the passive type, and requires an audio power amplifier to drive them which is extra cost also (to buy the audio power amplifier itself). There are also other top tier active speaker systems (e.g. KRK, ESI, Behringer, Acoustic Energy, etc) though not easy to find here (nor widely available in the shops/stores)... wink.gif

QUOTE(asunakirito @ Aug 26 2014, 08:40 PM)
Thanks for the note! Will be watching out for those  laugh.gif
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Some of their models are OK (not fake specifications), but still can't tell unless look inside first (in other words disassemble it). If you ever look at their Blue Thunder series, then you will notice they look eerily similar to Divoom speakers (who is probably one of their OEMs).... icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Aug 27 2014, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(asunakirito @ Aug 27 2014, 07:12 PM)
lex Do you know if the studio speakers such as R2700 can be connected to a TV? Also, I see my motherboard has SPDIF port, how it could be used for high end speakers like Edifier studio speakers?
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Yes, can be use the SPDIF connection for your TV and/or computer. The optical cable is included with the speaker package as well. Just connect them and enable SPDIF output on your computer... wink.gif

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post Aug 28 2014, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(asunakirito @ Aug 27 2014, 11:24 PM)
How about the heat/temperature when leaving the speakers on idle? Does it feel warm or hot?

I have read power911 review on R2800, and he mention about the heat which interested me.
Does it feel warm or hot when the R2700 speakers is left idle?
How about the temperature when its playing music continuously for more than 5 minutes?
With a bigger speakers such as the Edifier Studio R2700/R2800, wouldn't that heat up much faster and much more than R1600Tiii / R1800Tiii / R1900Tiii ?
My current active speakers feel warm 34-35 degrees when playing music constantly (5min ~ 1 hour+).
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Of course since Edifier R2700 is a big speaker, it does feel quite warm since it uses a linear power supply. And Edifier R1900TIII should be much more warmer since it uses linear power supply plus Class AB amplifier (the reason it has that big heatsink in the back). However Edifier R1600TIII and Edifier R1800TIII should be much cooler (still a little warm of course, as with all active amplified speakers) since it uses switching power supply plus Class D amplifier. icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(Pewufod @ Aug 26 2014, 10:17 PM)
anyone has experience with thonet and vander ?
looking at their gut speaker
im also on the market for a 2.0 speaker around rm400 ish
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Have not heard them yet, but same vein as Edifier if not mistaken ("German based" company but however their speakers are also manufactured in China, as with most speakers on the market nowadays). As for the Gut model, its very good but you may find its bass kinda lacking (when compared to the Edifier models mentioned). Some information about the actual manufacturer and company origins here: La verdad oculta acerca de T&V (use Google Translate)... hmm.gif

QUOTE(asunakirito @ Aug 28 2014, 08:03 AM)
What makes you choose R2700 over the R2800 (which has same class AB amplifier, but bigger speakers)  cool.gif  and
R2700 over the R1800Tiii (class D amplifier = saves electricity, less heat, higher efficiency)   hmm.gif
Mine is a review unit. But sound-wise is pretty impressive. Its very clear and clean, and has strong bass also. Can't reveal all the pros (and cons) yet until my final write up.. cool.gif

QUOTE(asunakirito @ Aug 28 2014, 08:03 AM)
If you were given another chance to purchase again, which would you go for?    smile.gif
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Not sure yet. The R2700 and R2800 may be quite the bees knees of 2.0 speaker systems within their targeted budget range. wink.gif

QUOTE(genpaku @ Aug 28 2014, 01:35 PM)
SWANS D1010 IV ?
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Pretty good one as well, though at lower wattage compared to the Edifiers in the same budget range. May have the same "boxy" type sound as HiVi X4 due to its size.... icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Aug 30 2014, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(asunakirito @ Aug 30 2014, 04:28 PM)
I have perform audition on both speakers from Edifier and Swan:
1) Swan M200MKii
2) Swan D1080IV
3) Swan X3
4) Swan M50W
5) Edifier R2700
6) Edifier 1600Tiii
What I really like about Edifier is the cover, which covers not just the speakers but overall front area instead of just the drivers, and find them quite solid, slides in/out easily, wouldn't break easily. Just that it has gaps at the sides (top, left, right, bottom), therefore, dust still can go in from the sides. Swan only covered parts of it (e.g. Swan M200MKii) which doesn't exhibit classy appearance.
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So top 3 speakers would be: R2700, M200MKii and D1080-IV.
The R2700 feel more balance in all aspects.
The M200MKii hits the spot with crystal-clear sound but lacks the bass, and the design of the speaker shield doesn't look that appealing.
The D1080-IV is similar to R2700, just sounds less full than it (roughly 65-70%)
And which one did you buy/get in the end? brows.gif

QUOTE(asunakirito @ Aug 30 2014, 04:28 PM)
p.s. I have also tried the latest model Aune x3 (passive speakers) paired with a dedicated X2 Amplifier, does not perform well compared to the 3 speakers above, even though it cost a combo of RM1000+
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Do not expect a low wattage small full range driver to provide the type of performance that the above speakers can achieve... tongue.gif

QUOTE(asunakirito @ Aug 30 2014, 05:07 PM)
When I auditioned the R2700 speaker with phone, I feel the sound is much pleasant compared to midrange speaker connected to a computer (around 85-90% the quality). If it was played with a dedicated sound card or an excellent onboard motherboard audio driver, I believe it will sound better by a solid 20-25% margin, my 2 cents  laugh.gif

The sound of the R2700 is totally different than the one found in most Youtube video review (probably bad quality microphones).
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This other video on Youtube is a little better... cool.gif



You can also find the local official Edifier video channel here: EdifierMalaysia. Sample video of Edifier Studio 8 (a.k.a Edifier R2800) from that channel... icon_rolleyes.gif




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QUOTE(asunakirito @ Aug 30 2014, 06:39 PM)
All of the top speakers I pointed are out of stock  shocking.gif

Only have demo unit for audition , and there aren't any demo unit for D1010-IV and M200MKiii  sad.gif

The seller pointed out need to check with distributor, also can't give an estimate when will restock.  hmm.gif
Looks like very hot selling indeed. Have you tried Viewnet and/or Sri Computers? unsure.gif

QUOTE(asunakirito @ Aug 30 2014, 06:39 PM)
Btw, could you check how much wattage does the R2700 consumes on idle and on loud music (50% volume = techno/trance).
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No idea, as I do not have a wattmeter or energy monitoring device to measure power consumption at the power point... hmm.gif
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QUOTE(asunakirito @ Sep 16 2014, 05:49 PM)
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The heatsink behind the R2700 and R2800 isn't that hot at all , is similar warmth to my current speakers.
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The actual heatsinks for the audio digital power amplifier is actually inside (hidden from view). That is why you do not see any form of heatsink on the back. That is just the metal plate only. Since its a Class D amplifier (more efficient), it does not need a huge heatsink compared to Class A/B amplifiers (which requires large heatsinks, that can usually be seen at the back)... wink.gif

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QUOTE(ktek @ Sep 17 2014, 08:47 PM)
outer heatsink dont represent what amplifier class design it use.
such as many old "classic" altec dont have outer heatsink at all, but my class d speaker amp got exposed heatsink sweat.gif
Those Altecs are 2.1 systems where the amplifier heatsink is usually tucked inside the subwoofer box most of the time. Typically active 2.0 stereo speakers such as Edifier Studio series can differentiate their internal amplifier system just by looking at the back. Those that have heatsinks (aluminium fins) at the back are typically Class A/B type. tongue.gif

QUOTE(ktek @ Sep 17 2014, 08:47 PM)
swan hivi x3 got independent amp, professional xlr socket, representing the flat tuning of studio monitors.
typical studio monitor dont use netting speaker cover unless outdoor type that use metal grillz.
not every one's cup of coffee like u mentioned.
Those XLR socket is for balanced I/O, but its really differential audio signalling actually (with non-inverting and inverting signals). Can easily be converted to use single ended audio interface by pulling the inverting input to GND. Nothing to do with flat tuning of studio monitors (this one is up to the speaker design and amplifier system). That HiVi Swan X3 due to its size and shape is highly lacking in bass (example review reference here). Anyway, the Edifier Studio speakers have removeable front covers. wink.gif

QUOTE(ktek @ Sep 17 2014, 08:47 PM)
edifier has bass port, which you can tune the r2800 bass response by stuffing in some cloth material or sponge.

better dac dont represent in %precentage% but the ability to reproduce original content. which means good records get better and bad recording get worse
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Stuffing the bass port only dampens some of the bass (reduces some boominess). To really tune the bass, then have to change the internal length of that port hole. Edifier Studio 7 and 8 does have an internal DAC (through the SPDIF connection) but does not really convert to any analogue signals as it goes directly to the Class D power amplifiers instead (fully digital all the way)... cool.gif

QUOTE(wim1983 @ Sep 17 2014, 08:59 PM)
You all know that Edifier R2800 V going to launch soon?
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You meant Edifier R2800 version "V"? rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(ktek @ Sep 18 2014, 04:14 PM)
class DD drool.gif
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Those home theater soundbars with HDMI inputs only have the same configuration, where it is fully all the way to the digital power amplifiers (does not have any digital to analogue conversion inside). The main difference is that the driver on the soundbars are of poor quality (hardly any trebles and half-hearted midranges)... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(liquidgal @ Sep 19 2014, 03:16 AM)
asunakirito Agree with Lex. The speakers that you mentioned are indeed very good speakers. But they are having different structure and size, so can't really compare.

There are 4 points that I need to point out here. Firstly, If around the same price range, bigger speaker like 4 or 5 inches will easily produce more bass and all rounded in performance.
Secondly, full range speaker is not technically strong such as details and separations as compare to 2-3 way speakers. But compare to low range multi way speaker below RM1K, multi way speaker might sound separated from different drivers. Full range might sound more harmony and present the frequency range as a whole image.
Actually that Edifier Studio 7 does sound much better than most speakers in the same price range (as well as speakers of higher price ranges). And this speaker system uses tri-amp-ing. In other words the woofer, midrange and tweeter are each driven separately by their own amplifier. Thus it does not have the usual analogue crossover circuit (with large air-core coils and capacitors) which can introduce distortions and phase problems (typical of low pass and high pass filters). I don't think Edifier Studio 7 will have much of have those phase problems as the frequency range is controlled digitally (does not use any low pass nor high pass analog circuits). As for single full range speakers, its advantage is that for entire frequency spectrum it can reproduce there will be no phase problems. Only disadvantage (as previously mentioned in another thread) is that its neither good at either extreme ends of the frequency spectrum, mainly the bass and treble performance. Some HiFi full range speakers use "tricks" such as double cone (a.k.a "whizzer") and/or phase plug (very popular among some high end speakers) to try to extend the high frequency performance (especially the treble). The Aune X3 doesn't seem to use this "trick".... hmm.gif

QUOTE(liquidgal @ Sep 19 2014, 03:16 AM)
Thirdly, X3 a passive speaker with very low sensitivity (82db). X2 is a basic amp for the speaker to play but not the best combination. I tried using Musical Paradise MP301 MK3 to drive it, the performance is much better. But of course, it's back to whether you are willing to spend and invest on it.

Lastly, the X3 that you auditioned, is actually considered almost brand new set. Burn in less than 10 hours.  smile.gif
All these would affect the sound quality.

X3 is indeed with lesser bass since it's 3 inches. It's suitable for small room and plays well for chamber music, pop, acoustic and so on. Not so good on rock and big production music.
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The Aune X3 performance may be very similar HiVi Swans X3, except perhaps for the treble (since the HiVi one features a tweeter)... wink.gif

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QUOTE(asunakirito @ Sep 26 2014, 11:28 PM)
How does it compare with Edifier R2800 against JBL LSR308?  biggrin.gif
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As always, recommend auditioning/testing those speakers first to see if its suites your listening preferences before deciding. For that JBL speaker, you may have to find/search for them (at HiFi shops and showrooms) as its not as common as Edifier Studio speaker series... hmm.gif

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QUOTE(asunakirito @ Sep 27 2014, 12:03 AM)
Do you know who sells them? Seems kinda rare locally.  hmm.gif
I couldn't find out the local price, but on ebay.com, its priced at RM3300  shocking.gif
On amazon.com, priced around $200 USD, so it would be approximately RM651 (not including shipping + gov 10% tax)
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You may also want to consider warranty issues, especially when it comes to shipping costs (to send the speakers back)... sweat.gif

QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Sep 27 2014, 01:46 AM)
If you wanna compare with Swan M200MKii, you need to look at Edifier S2000 series liao. Those R series wont give you the full sound that you get from a proper 5" woofer. For me, they still sound a bit thin.
That Edifier S2000 also uses a 5.5" woofer, thus do not expect lots of bass from it. Can see that from this review: iXBT.com: Активные стереоколонки Edifier S2000 at frequency response graph in that article. For good bass, woofer of bigger size is required. The R series (especially those models starting from R2600 and higher) are a different animal altogether. They have 6.5" woofers, just like most subwoofers. The effect of having bigger woofers can be seen in measurements here: iXBT.com: Измерения Edifier R2700 (original review here: iXBT.com: Обзор и тестирование активных стереоколонок Edifier R2700). Also the size of the speaker enclosure can determine the bass response... wink.gif

QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Sep 27 2014, 01:46 AM)
Back to the sound, the more expensive stereo speakers sometimes may sound a bit lackluster when you compare it to the versatility of having a subwoofer to thump the bass note. Its a different way to enjoy music really.

When I was younger, 10-15 years ago, I enjoyed the sound of thumping bass more, with Altec Lansing ACS48 and with MX5021 later. When I moved on to S2000, it all changed. Even the music changed. Even when you buy a RM500 soundcard like Xonar Essence, it may or may not appeal to your ears.
Those Altec Lansing speakers do not have flat (un-coloured) sound profile, compared to a studio monitor. They have slightly brighter sound (as with most 2.1 speaker systems) and with the addition of a subwoofer generates ambient bass effects (more very low frequency response easily without the need to turn the bass up too much). Their actual main strengths is in movies (thanks to the subwoofer)... cool.gif

QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Sep 27 2014, 01:46 AM)
I still remembered when I paid a forumer RM200++ to mod my EMU0404, only to sold it soon after finding it too bland. Before the mod, it was still acceptable to me. After the mod, it sounds a lot clearer, but at the same time, sounds a lot more darker. Its missing the lively sound.

Music really has a lot of similarities when compared to foods. Foods that are tasty, definitely contains much more harmful ingredients, like salt, oil, sugar etc. Foods that are good for your body, on the other hand taste like crap most of the time.

Finally gotten myself an used Xonar Essence ST, and find myself again, undecided between the lively sound on LME49720 vs the dull but pure sounding JRC4556. The sole popularity of LME49720 opamp just tell you what kind of sound people are looking forward to in their music.

No doubt that once in a while, you get the opportunity to test thousands ringgit worth of audio products and were mesmerized by the sweetness of the vocals etc. At the end of the day, we, who are more bugged down by working pressure, tends to prefer something cheerful, lively to drag us out of slump, instead of listening to boring pure sounding music.
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Could try the OPA series, or use back the old NE5532 series. Besides the opamp, any capacitors in the audio signal path may need to be changed... hmm.gif

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QUOTE(jchong @ Oct 3 2014, 11:56 AM)
That's probably price for ONE LSR308 speaker only.
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Looking at this: Amazon.com: JBL LSR308 Studio Monitor, I have to agree with you. Note that there is one speaker shown only and does not mention "PAIR" at all. For one pair of those speakers, the price is different (much higher): Amazon.com: JBL Pro LSR308-PAIR... sweat.gif

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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Oct 4 2014, 07:47 AM)
That's simple to explain that why there is so little brand for 2.0 active speaker:
- probably you are shopping around computer shop
- computer don't sell professional active 2.0 speakers
- normal people don't spend much to get these speakers, if they do, they don't go to computer shop and find it
- audiophiles will prefer normal 2.0 setup where they can mix and match around the amp and speaker
- 2.0 active speaker caters more to people in music industry, maybe you should ask in music related forum? smile.gif
Not true anymore nowadays, because Edifier changed that... tongue.gif

QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Oct 4 2014, 07:47 AM)
Nothing beats a good headphone in music mixing. Watching movie with 2.0 speaker is ok but I prefer with a sub like Creative T3 (not sure if this model is still selling on the market). 2.0 active speaker is just for easy setup for music listening.
Mixing with headphones is a very bad idea. That's because headphones do not have any flat frequency spectrum (tend to accentuate the sound, either bassy and/or too sharp). And it is this overall flat frequency spectrum that the reason studio monitors exist. And for speakers to qualify as studio grade monitors is not easy as they have to be of HiFi quality besides having a flat audio profile. As for Creative GigaWorks T3, has great bass but the clarity especially at the upper frequencies are simply very lacking... wink.gif

QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Oct 4 2014, 07:47 AM)
I had heard their Kugel model in KLIAV 2013, I think that's quite nice for those people who came from pc multimedia speakers. Though it looks like Edifier but selling at a higher price. But if you can afford it, definitely it will be a wise choice.
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More expensive does not always mean better, and often spending more money just for the brand name only. Can check the rest of the thread on thread starter's comments on comparing speakers. That's why I've always recommended testing/auditioning those speakers first (to see if it suits personal listening preferences before deciding)... icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Oct 7 2014, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(asunakirito @ Oct 7 2014, 09:36 PM)
Is that your new speaker  ?  brows.gif
The packaging seems all Chinese, probably from Taiwan.  hmm.gif
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Edifier speakers are mostly manufactured in China (as with most speakers nowadays including HiVi, MicroLabs, Thornet & Vander, Logitech, Sonic Gear, etc). Anyway, any updates on which speaker you have decided on, and whether have you bought it already? unsure.gif


 

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