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post Sep 17 2014, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(wyk85 @ Sep 17 2014, 04:12 PM)
For Coutinho, yes, he make a lot of mistakes. But I feel that is what you get if you are the creative engine of the whole midfield setup.
Each players have their own role define by BR and for Coutinho, it is the creative, high risk through balls. I am not saying he does a good job (he can be better) but more to this is what you expect from a technical, creative and unpolished young midfielder. Sometime is magic, a lot of times is wayward passing tongue.gif
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Creative doesn't mean high risk through ball each time.
Typically, like Silva, Nasri Mata type of play, whereby they created plenty of opportunity for teamaates to score.
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post Sep 17 2014, 09:41 PM

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Sep 17 2014, 09:16 PM)
I believe coutinho isnt fully at fault.He was excellent last season because he had sturridge and suarez running into spaces.The current forward line is hardly mobile and intelligent enough to play one two's.
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Last season, there were a few of match, he was subbed early (half time), when the team was not playing effective and totally like non existence in the midfield.
As I mentioned before, consistency, blow hot and cold is still something need to improve on.

I don't quite agree the statement, last season, he was excellent.
He was excellent on later stage of the season particularly, but not entire season.

The more correct situation is blowing hot and cold in between.

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post Sep 19 2014, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(skeleton202 @ Sep 18 2014, 11:21 PM)
from my opinion la, the weak link of the team gerrard rite now.. he can make a hoohoo pass but he will never able to constantly tracking the player.. when he look lost for few minute will easily concede goal... you see most of our conceded goal,, we control 70% of the game but once some1 in the team look lost, it only took one mistake to concede a goal..

kinda agree with you, our player sometime can be too attacking,, moreno and manquillo can go up like no tomorrow,, there's no way sakho,gerrard,lovren can cover with all those space

sakho one is really unique case.. he is desailly in france and bramble in liverpool.. i dunno what to comment on him..
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I do agree, the weakness is DM.
You need an energetic, high workrate DM (Mascherano or Hamann) who read the game/threat well in a 4-3-3 or 4-4-2 diamond as your fullback tend to charge forward when got opportunity that vulnerable to counter attack if lose the ball in the process of charging upfront.

DM is the one to cover the ground when fullback is charging forward time in term of tracking opponent run, breakdown opponent counter attack move.
Lucas was good in doing this, prior before the injury.

Don't get me wrong, Gerrard still very good in delivery in set piece, deliver assist, but defence side, he is not solid and may be a liability.


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post Sep 21 2014, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(AnythingK @ Sep 21 2014, 11:11 AM)
Well, I am counting natural creative midfielder, Stevie is lack effective now because he's playing the DM/sweeper role. Allen? I don't rate him as creative, same mould as Hendo, except he's willing to go upfront more. Markovic? Isn't him a winger?

Seriously, if we really count it properly, we really lack of creative midfielder, but pack at the middle.  sweat.gif
Agree, when he sell off Carroll, due to the reason he's not suitable to his system, then why buy Lambert, they are the same type of players, and Carroll is definitely better.

Well, Remy failed his medical, but pass at Chelsea, many fans doubted the medical though.

I too wonder why we didn't go for quality this season when BR have so so much funds, many fans said its due to the players not willing to come to Liverpool, and some other fans said its because Liverpool not willing to provide big pay check. But heck, he had spent 100 million, I can't really catch why Liverpool is not willing to use big pay check to lure top players.

Let's say we failed to quality to CL this season, does that mean next season we will not get any top players again? Damn, I hate this infinite cycle of Liverpool.  sad.gif
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No CL cannot attract player is only a myth that I start don't buy this excuse after seeing 2 top players went to non-CL club with top money transfer this summer.
It is all along money talk, CL is only an excuse.

>100 million spent, 5 matches played, loss 3, win 2.
4 poor matches, conceded early goals.
4th place may also difficult.

If fail to win against Everton next week, BR may be the hot favourite of odd of casualty of EPL manager sacking merry go round.

Deja vu, it could be another transfer market just like Spurs.
So far the transfer recruit this summer looks like money not well spent. sweat.gif


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post Sep 21 2014, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(AnythingK @ Sep 21 2014, 02:49 AM)
Lets see, last season Arsenal at 4th place, lost 7 times, drew 7 times.

Currently at matches 5, Liverpool had lost 3 times.

Does that mean if we are going to secure top 4 position, we can only afford to lose 4 times or less in the coming 33 matches? How? It seems like an impossible mission, with so many competition to go, not even at boxing day yet.  shocking.gif
Would love to cut him some slack, but he spent over 100 million for god sake.
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Yes, that's true.

Loss more than 3-5 matches, little chance for top,
loss more than 7~8 matches, little chance for 4th.

Already "use up" nearly 3 out of 8, early in the season.
Unless having some good and magnificent run like last year (which I doubt can without Suarez and any prolific goal scorer), the chance of finishing 4th is remote (especially MU strengthening so much with marquee signing).

We see how marquee signing can make an impact and could turn around thing.
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post Sep 21 2014, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 21 2014, 03:41 PM)
TBF Rodgers needed to enlarge his squad becasue of the CL. Indeed he did try to buy Snachez. So cant say he didnt try to buy quality.

However questiions are beg for the following:

a) why buy another CB?

b) the prices for LLalana . Lovren and Lazar amy be over the top

c) lost the best striker he had, But the lack of effort in replacing him is weird while he spent so much effort to get another CB
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Actually, CL is not priority, league is. So buy over quality is more important than quantity, fill with youngster in CL and being hammered also no harm.

Large average squad
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Small quality squad + inexperienced.

The latter part seems a better deal.

b) Ya, could go for Di Maria or Falcao already with those money.

With Skrtel, Sakho, Agger previously, CB is decent although it may not top notch.

Clearly, it is not personnel issue, Skrtel Agger pairing was one of best around and having good defence record before.
Even splash 20M or 30M for a CB won't result in clean sheet as shown in recent few matches.

Liv has been leaking goals since last year, just offensive side save the day a lot of time.
I always mention clean sheet, tight defence is very important to persuade well in league, and in cup as well, as you can't always rely on offensive to save the day of defence.
You need to know how to win 1-0 and shut the door.

I think opponent has started learn how Liv played, and easily nullify the threat of it.




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post Sep 21 2014, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(hfi @ Sep 21 2014, 12:44 PM)
Absolutely dreadful. Worrying times indeed. Team offered little in attack and again leaky at the back.

Gerrard was rubbish, offered little in attack and nothing in defence - i know he requires a bit of time to find his form but we're playing with 10 man with him in the team at the moment. He gets shutdown all too easily and lacks the craft to find himself space to get into the game.

I know i said we need to give the defence time to gel but i'm growing frustrated with the lack of improvement. If anything, it looks worse by the week. Leaking 2 goals in space of few minutes is unacceptable. WWhy did even play Skrtel to begin with ? The fact that we made a tactical change in the first 10 mins would suggest that we were not prepared for this match at all! We made West Ham looked like Chelsea at times. Sigh.


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I would say, it is tactical blunder by manager.
This is not the first time happening. Just last time, got offensive side to save the day, now no more.

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post Sep 21 2014, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Sep 21 2014, 04:28 PM)
There is still hope for top 4.Rodgers better go out there and buy a proven world class player in january.Enough of all this potential or british or midtable swansea and southampton rubbish bullshit.
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Chelsea bought Fabregas + Costa, instantly the team look different compared to last year, title hot favourite.
Arsenal bought Ozil, team sentiment change, qualified for CL.
Man U, bought Di Maria, Falcao, suddenly team morale change and favourite for 4th.

Liv loss Suarez and bought 3 Southampton players with about nearly 50 mil...
It may be better to spend 50 mil on one player, after all, 2 were sitting on the bench in recent matches only.


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post Sep 21 2014, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 21 2014, 05:43 PM)
Then you are no Liverpool supporter.

The CL is as important as the PL. Both as image and soul plus the lure of CL $$$$$$$. CL nights are to be experienced as Chelski would tell ya.

Not as easy to say play defensive and go for 1-0. Thats provided you have to personnel to do the 1-0s  biggrin.gif
Saying it is easy. Getting 10 players to carry out such tactics is much much more difficult!  laugh.gif
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Not to say CL is not important, just need to choose between two, I still rate PL over CL.

CL is about $, which essential for club financially, no doubt.
But league is what week in week out about for a football club.

Yes, it is difficult, but it is even more difficult to try to outscore opponent to win a game.




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QUOTE(kevafk @ Sep 21 2014, 05:34 PM)
We should've buy Sanchez, di maria, mata, willian, mkhitaryan etc etc the problem is no one wants to come .. live with it.. since when we actually manage to buy top quality proven players?

Courts proven? Everyone like omg omg we got a world class coming when he do a little magic. No one knows until he came to play and show what his got..

Sturridge world class proven? Everyone was like omg we got a bad boy attitude prob.. but he was a change man under BR.. seems like he is undropable

Suarez world class Ya.. but no one wants him when he had his bite incident in Ajax. Liv took the risk and buy him.. he wasn't proven in big leagues.. he is now proven in PL so he left us with 75mil cheque

I don't see a point talk about how we deal with transfer.. should be happy of what we have now. I am happy what we got, now please gel them well and start getting them all match fitness

I'm sure u actually imagained how Liv would do in attack with all these players we bought if they gel well together and fit to play.. as for defending yea it looks like we still have problems.. I strongly believe GK is the main problem now
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If there is little money being spent, ok, need to live with it.
But the issue now is Liv spent about 100 million over the summer, it is not the like every season or transfer, Liv can spend so much money to expand and improve the squad.

If the last summer transfer doesn't turn out to be good, there is a big question asked on the amount of money that had been spent.

The goals conceded majority (apart from the Lud's goals) were not Gk fault.
Changing GK may not solve the goals leaking issue as well, as shown as changing the CB personnel.
If GK is the weak link, BR should have go for a keeper in the last summer transfer window, but he did not.

There is big possibility, (sign is there), Liv following Spurs foot path on the transfer.
I hope BR prove it otherwise,

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post Sep 22 2014, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 22 2014, 11:14 AM)
Then clearly we will concede more.

Aint no way Stevie can play 3 games in 7 days. No way
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But he just did.
Villa, Lud, WH.
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QUOTE(Petre @ Sep 22 2014, 02:19 PM)
i think BR was spot on with our LB + RB in the market but somehow when a hole was patched at the sides, a few now punctured in the middle  sweat.gif
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In 4-4-2 diamond or 4-3-3, you expect DM to cover the hole left by your LB/RB when they are going upfront, as LB/RB is doing 2 job concurrently.
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post Sep 22 2014, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 22 2014, 11:19 AM)
Yeah.

Showed. Doesnt it?
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Sterling being rested in Villa match, but Gerrard played 3 consecutive match in 7 days.

Sterling is 19, Gerrard 34.

Speaking the logic of resting player by BR. rclxub.gif

 

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