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axepert
post Nov 15 2006, 07:18 PM

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QUOTE(kingmarul @ Nov 15 2006, 04:37 PM)
C - Fu ....last time u answered my question...thnks man...so now i think i want to buy JVC GZ - MG77 AG - HDD(this is everio series). how about this man??
and all of u guys,any suggestion or idea....ist a gud choice for HDD camcoder...thank to all of u....
* pls answer....i need a feed back,i wanna buy coz maybe i can get a gud price... rclxms.gif
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Here's a very detailed review of the cam :

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/JVC-G...rder-Review.htm

And a quick summary :

Conclusion
The JVC GZ-MG77 may have seen some improvements since last year, but a few minor upgrades and slightly reduced price does not rezone this camcorder into the "pricey, but worth it" neighborhood. We all give credit to JVC for leading the pack on HDD camcorders. They offer great convenience and ease of use, which is clearly the direction digital imaging is headed. But the cost of launching such an effort has prevented them from following through with the means to bulk up supporting elements such as image quality and next-generation innovation.

That's precisely where Sony has taken over, first with the DCR-SR100 HDD camcorder, which simply walloped the Everios in quality, and then followed it up seven months later with the HDR-SR1, an HDD camcorder utilizing the new high definition format AVCHD.

We haven't yet seen the top-end Everio, the JVC GZ-MG505 (don't worry, it's on its way), but if history has anything to say about it, the camcorder will still leave us yearning for a Sony. Sorry, JVC.
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post Nov 16 2006, 09:44 AM

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thanks man....anybody want to share....maybe somebody pernah guna this videocam......hope get da feed back....thanks again... icon_question.gif
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post Nov 16 2006, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(kingmarul @ Nov 16 2006, 09:44 AM)
thanks man....anybody want to share....maybe somebody pernah guna this videocam......hope get da feed back....thanks again... icon_question.gif
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No prob.

I also read that some HD's might not work properly at high altitudes, so if you're planning on mountain climbing, hiking etc, you might want to avoid from using HD-based cams.

Call me old-fashioned, but imho, this also seems like a pretty new technology at the moment, so it might be better to wait a few years before investing so much in it ..

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kingmarul
post Nov 16 2006, 01:55 PM

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IF I CAN GET A GUD PRICE,WHAT DU U THINK??? biggrin.gif
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post Nov 16 2006, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(kingmarul @ Nov 16 2006, 01:55 PM)
IF I CAN GET A GUD PRICE,WHAT DU U THINK??? biggrin.gif
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How GUD?
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post Nov 16 2006, 05:04 PM

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hehehehehe.... tongue.gif ....
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post Nov 16 2006, 05:05 PM

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but i'm not joking....
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post Nov 16 2006, 07:13 PM

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QUOTE(kingmarul @ Nov 16 2006, 05:05 PM)
but i'm not joking....
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Well, no matter how gud, its still money rite ? DVD cams also has its own additional costs involved.

Anyway, here's some caveat for you on Mini DV vs DVD .. in case you're interested ..

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/bbs/t116795.html
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post Nov 17 2006, 09:50 AM

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anyway, thank brother....at least u gv me some info n guide for me to choose...
actually i aredi hv dv tape version but the old model arrr....so now i think want to upgrade n easy to handle and making the muvee....do want make my honey angry also..."ayang, mana muvee kawen kita tak siap2 lagi ni" vmad.gif ...
hehehehe..so hope u can imagine that....
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post Nov 20 2006, 12:31 PM

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actually i aredi hv dv tape version but the old model arrr....

simple. use the old dv cam solely for insert shots and tape drive for capture purposes, and use the new dv cam for your main shots. this way you wont wear off the new dv cam's tape drive.

consider this: you already have the technology (DV). so why would you want to use a newer technology (HDD,MPEG2-based) mixed with DV in your workflow? that's just like asking for trouble.

I personally wouldn't touch hdd-based cams like I said on the first page of this thread, but hey, if you think you cannot let your pc to turn on for an hour extra everynight to let it capture the miniDV footages to your pc while you're asleep, then by all means.... biggrin.gif

because i think everybody will agree with me that when something like your sayang complains that your home video tak siap lagi is always because of the laziness to edit, not the laziness to capture to hdd.

as for Sony's AVCHD cams, I'd avoid it like how I would avoid hitting a lembu on the road biggrin.gif. The "weird" compression makes almost all current editing suit go haywire, not to mention that it takes huuuuuge amounts of processing power to handle. bloody hell makes my 8-processor dell monster run like chicken man! *@&#(*@&$

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post Nov 20 2006, 02:49 PM

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Having Sony DCR-TRV 460E these last 3 years. Taped lots of my son's rugby games and the many family outings. Thought of upgrading. Am a point and shoot mom so I was thinking the sony Hdd would be good replacement. In fact was quoted RM2550 for the sony DCR-SR40e HDD Handycam with 7hr battery. I thought I want to do away with tapes.
Now reading through the thread dah tak sure dah....

If I read it correctly, c-fu doesnt seem to think hdd is good? Mudah pecah?

Btw...I've advertised my handycam plus 5hr battery xtra for RM500 (Ok ker or too cheap)

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QUOTE(saifulz @ Nov 8 2006, 07:42 PM)
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Tks a lot for the link. Now checking it smile.gif

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post Nov 27 2006, 04:06 AM

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QUOTE(nnordin @ Nov 20 2006, 04:49 PM)
If I read it correctly, c-fu doesnt seem to think hdd is good? Mudah pecah?

Btw...I've advertised my handycam plus 5hr battery xtra for RM500 (Ok ker or too cheap)
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Not literally mudah pecah la. It's more like.... fragile in the sense that it's video performance, video quality, etc makes my head very fragile to pecah biggrin.gif

at least, wait for a year for the tech to fully develop. but i'm speaking as a producer, so I dunno lah really what you consumers tongue.gif really want. I suppose hdd-based cams are really really convenient and easy to use. 60 gig hdd would get you like 5 tapes worth of DV content, but I think, as a pro consumer or a learning filmatographer (not a normal consumer lah, but can apply as well), this actually encourages you to just film-this-film-that, because you don't really have that storage constraint. so it'll be harder and less reason for you to plan your shots well. when it says you have 60 minutes left on the screen, instead of 300+ minutes, you just have to plan on how long u want to film that wedding.


because, end of the day, when you want to edit, you just have to watch every single clip that you've taken, right? so would you want to watch a tape or two of a wedding, or 300+ minutes of continuous footage just because you can?
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i'm new camcoder user here tongue.gif
just bought my JVC MG505 last month. used it to snap HK Disneyland firework..not bad
still new to live video recording..need to learn how to play with manual setting to snap video

any member using JVC MG505 also?>
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post Dec 3 2006, 11:11 AM

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guys.. ive been coming across the canon elura 100 dv cams in the net..it has pretty good reviews generally...is it already in malaysia? coldnt get any info from canon malaysia site.
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QUOTE(axepert @ Nov 16 2006, 07:13 PM)
Well, no matter how gud, its still money rite ? DVD cams also has its own additional costs involved.

Anyway, here's some caveat for you on Mini DV vs DVD .. in case you're interested ..

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/bbs/t116795.html
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the website is good, think of want to get a hdd camcorder b4 x'mas, eyeing on Sony DCR-SR60, anyone own it?
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post Dec 15 2006, 03:58 PM

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do they still sell Sony Vx2100 out there????
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post Dec 15 2006, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(porkchop @ Dec 15 2006, 03:58 PM)
do they still sell Sony Vx2100 out there????
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Locally i dont know but if u search at online shop they still sell it.

By the way i just bought second hand unit..really appreciate it tongue.gif
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post Dec 16 2006, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(aLthaLus @ Dec 3 2006, 11:11 AM)
guys.. ive been coming across the canon elura 100 dv cams in the net..it has pretty good reviews generally...is it already in malaysia? coldnt get any info from canon malaysia site.
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It's known as MVX460 here I think, and yes you can get the info from Canon's Malaysia site. icon_idea.gif

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post Jan 21 2007, 07:56 PM

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Quote from Dayalan86 "I want to ask, how long does it take before your miniDV camcorder head becomes dirty?
My brother shot for about 2hrs++, then the recording got some horizontal lines. After using the cleaning tape ok already. Then after another 2hrs again the head get dirty.
Is this normal? Should I send my camera in for servicing?"

Dayalan, may I ask what brand of miniDV tapes your brother is using? Can I also ask if your brother mixes different brands of miniDV tapes when shooting? Using & mixing different brands of miniDV tapes is a very bad idea & can get your camera's recording heads clogged up with lubricant residue.

You see, all miniDV tapes have a lubricant built into the tape. Sony miniDV tapes use the wet type of lubricant while all other miniDV tape brands use dry lubricants. What happens when you mix different tape brands while using the same cam? The recording head in the camera picks up these different lubricant types & after a short while, these lubricant residue can build up on the recording head resulting in those horizontal lines you reported & even worse, tape drop outs where recorded footage goes blank, or blue screen or footage of a scene inter mingled with footage from a different scene on the tape. This will almost certainly result in expensive servicing of your camcorder's recording head by authorized service engineers.

Generally, I stick to high-quality Panasonic MQ tapes as Panasonic tapes have been specifically designed for miniDV camcorders & they are amongst the best tape brands. Oh, I forgot to mention, choose & stick with only one brand of tape. This will solve the heads clogging up with lubricant residue.

This post has been edited by andybiz_2005: Jan 21 2007, 07:58 PM

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