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post Aug 23 2006, 07:54 PM, updated 20y ago

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Markham (ON) - ATI today announced two new high-end and two entry-level graphics cards. The Radeon X1950 series carries the firm's brand-new R580 graphics chip and introduces GDDR4 graphics memory running at 2 GHz to enthusiasts. The manufacturer claims that the new cards X1950 XTX flagship card beats the performance of rivaling dual-GPU solutions.

Ready to spend some money on a graphics chip upgrade? If only the best is good enough and if it has to be ATI, then new X1950 cards may soon be trying to get your attention. ATI's latest graphic chip promises to be a substantial improvement over the previous X1900 generation with performance increases of about 10% across popular benchmarks, according to numbers provided by ATI.

X1950 cards are available in XTX and Crossfire versions and are based on ATI's R580 GPU, which is already shipping for X1900 graphics cards, is built in a 90 nm process and integrates 384 million transistors. The chip offers up to 48 pixel shaders, eight vertex shaders and - perhaps most notably - the first commercial 256-bit GDDR4 memory interface. Based on DDR2 memory technology, the graphics memory runs at an effective clock speed of 2 GHz; the graphics core is clocked at 650 MHz. ATI said that the chip is able to process up to 512 pixel threads in parallel.

Also noteworthy is a new fansink that, according to the manufacturer, results in a cooler and quieter operation.

ATI claims that the X1950 XTX can beat competing dual-GPU solutions by using just one processor. Tom's Hardware had the chance to send an initial X1950 XTX card through our test parcours and found that the ATI card prevailed over Nvidia's cards in six out of ten relevant benchmarks. However, the card achieved this result mainly in low screen resolutions and was able to win only one benchmark in an "extreme HD resolution" of 2560x1600 pixel. Detailed results will soon be posted on Tom's Hardware.

For some users, it may not be the performance of the X1950 XTX that may be especially appealing, as Nvidia's GX2 offers superior performance on large screens. Instead, ATI's cards could be viewed as the better deal at a suggested retail price of about $450 - which is about $100 below the average retail price of Nvidia's Geforce 7950 GX2 cards.

Next to the X1950s, ATI also announced additions to its entry-level portfolio. The Radeon X1650 Pro will sell for around $100 and offer a dual-link DVI interface, a core clock speed of 600 MHz and a GDDR3 memory speed of 1.4 GHz. New is also the X1300 XT with a 500 MHz core and 800 MHz memory speed.
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now.... if only i had the money... rolleyes.gif

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Some one posted this adi..With pics oso..thanks anyway..
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QUOTE(saiaha @ Aug 23 2006, 07:54 PM)
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now.... if only i had the money...  rolleyes.gif
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Dude, GDDR4 NOT EQUAL TO DDR4

Change the title, it's misleading.
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post Aug 23 2006, 09:26 PM

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What's the differences with GDDR and DDR? blink.gif
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Aug 23 2006, 09:26 PM)
What's the differences with GDDR and DDR? blink.gif
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gddr for graphic card memory, ddr for normal pc momory
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post Aug 23 2006, 10:29 PM

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haha the 1600pro is actually a 1600xt... and the 1300xt is actually an 1600pro... the only new card coming out is 1650xt, which will be named the new 1600xt....


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QUOTE(radmaszeal @ Aug 23 2006, 10:29 PM)
haha the 1600pro is actually a 1600xt... and the 1300xt is actually an 1600pro... the only new card coming out is 1650xt, which will be named the new 1600xt....
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post Aug 23 2006, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Aug 23 2006, 09:15 PM)
Dude, GDDR4 NOT EQUAL TO DDR4

Change the title, it's misleading.
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So how different is it?
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post Aug 23 2006, 10:42 PM

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this is the review of the new x1950xtx
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http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?cid=3&id=2020
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it just $499 only means here just RM1.5 something only.is it too cheap?
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argh...
no money la... crap la... all those cards.... equivalent to one months' salary... mad la.
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Why gapric memory more fast their productions than RAM?
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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Aug 23 2006, 10:51 PM)
it just $499 only means here just RM1.5 something only.is it too cheap?
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Yeah, it does seem a bit too cheap for the ultra high end card like x1950xtx. I think it will range in the RM2k - RM3k. Which puts me out of the race. cry.gif

Btw, RM1.5 is one riggit fifty cents. I think you mean RM1.5k. Hehe. sweat.gif

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Why gapric memory more fast their productions than RAM?
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It'll be around RM2K I believe. But for the price, its pretty good when compared to the more expensive 7950GX2!
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cheaper than 7950gx2 oso cannot afford oso.... =.="
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post Aug 24 2006, 12:29 AM

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it's not yet here la.... this is paper launch
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QUOTE(altie @ Aug 24 2006, 12:11 AM)
Yeah, it does seem a bit too cheap for the ultra high end card like x1950xtx. I think it will range in the RM2k - RM3k. Which puts me out of the race.  cry.gif

Btw, RM1.5 is one riggit fifty cents. I think you mean RM1.5k. Hehe.  sweat.gif
No understand your Q. Need to reformat your Q.  rclxub.gif
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lol.i mistake.is RM1.5k.btw i still choose to nvidia coz i only use nvidia tongue.gif
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wow gddr4 also release already, im still using gddr2 tongue.gif


anyone know the exact launching date?
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the launch date is 23th of august but thats paper launch laugh.gif
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QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Aug 23 2006, 09:15 PM)
Dude, GDDR4 NOT EQUAL TO DDR4

Change the title, it's misleading.
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Technically signalling and interface different, but the prefetch is the same mah (which is what matters), although current JEDEC specs seem awfully the same on fundemental levels tongue.gif
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hopefully can get x1900xtx when this card is out.
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by then the x1900xtx wouldnt be worth the money
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QUOTE(gestapo @ Aug 24 2006, 04:51 AM)
hopefully can get x1900xtx when this card is out.
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QUOTE(zx7177 @ Aug 24 2006, 08:59 AM)
by then the x1900xtx wouldnt be worth the money
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dunno what price in Malaysia, but according to Guru3D.com...the card will be at USD399 drool.gif way too much cheaper than XTX n nVidia's 7950GX2 @USD600...direct calculation, USD399x3=RM1500± (whoah...nice price...)
but i'd still get X1950XT rather than XTX coz of the powerness brows.gif btw...X1950XT @full load...50dB doh.gif
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QUOTE(username @ Aug 24 2006, 01:06 AM)
wow gddr4 also release already, im still using gddr2 tongue.gif
anyone know the exact launching date?
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I using ddr 1 nia la..
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QUOTE(sniper69 @ Aug 24 2006, 09:06 AM)
dunno what price in Malaysia, but according to Guru3D.com...the card will be at USD399 drool.gif way too much cheaper than XTX n nVidia's 7950GX2 @USD600...direct calculation, USD399x3=RM1500± (whoah...nice price...)
but i'd still get X1950XT rather than XTX coz of the powerness brows.gif btw...X1950XT @full load...50dB doh.gif
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a little bit of sound proofing and you're good to go

anyways , the new cooler on the xtx is just soooo sexy whistling.gif
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QUOTE(zx7177 @ Aug 24 2006, 09:49 AM)
a little bit of sound proofing and you're good to go

anyways , the new cooler on the xtx is just soooo sexy  whistling.gif
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err...do u mean new XTX with new cooler or just typo error, XT with new cooler?the one with X1950XT or X1900XTX?AFAIK, X1950XT not X1950XTX... icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(sniper69 @ Aug 24 2006, 11:17 AM)
err...do u mean new XTX with new cooler or just typo error, XT with new cooler?the one with X1950XT or X1900XTX?AFAIK, X1950XT not X1950XTX... icon_idea.gif
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my eyes are sending impulses to my brain saying that its the x1950XTX

is it my eyes or your eyes having issues ? laugh.gif
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so what is the difference between the 1950xt and 1950xtx? clock speeds? the 2ghz ram is xt or xtx?
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GDDR 4 doesn't mean system RAM use DDR4 is ready for the market. Maybe in future end-user class machine will have FB-DIMM as server class.....
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review done by tom's hardware: http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/08/23/ati_radeon_x1950xtx/
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explaination on DDR2 and GDDR3 :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GDDR-3

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QUOTE(zx7177 @ Aug 24 2006, 08:59 AM)
by then the x1900xtx wouldnt be worth the money
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i wouldnt put it that way as the price will drop and demand for this card might go up and for those who longed to have an XTX in their rig....Crossfire it and u'll have more value over 2 1950xtx wink.gif
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QUOTE(empire23 @ Aug 24 2006, 03:27 AM)
Technically signalling and interface different, but the prefetch is the same mah (which is what matters), although current JEDEC specs seem awfully the same on fundemental levels tongue.gif
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i tot the difference between GDDR4 and DDR4 is that GDDR4 works in blocks.. eg such as block writes/delete etc etc...
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i'm gonna sell my bike for that cool stuff... warghhhhhh......
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and after u buy the card, Dx10 cards come out and u cant play new games.
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QUOTE(radmaszeal @ Sep 15 2006, 11:40 PM)
and after u buy the card, Dx10 cards come out and u cant play new games.
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still can play, but just unable to experience the game to the fullest as new gpus are designed to work as a game computing processor rather than a game rendering processor alone. This would let the gpu act as a physics processor as well.
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better get cheap card and wait for Dx10 card prices to stabilize. midrange Dx10 cards would pawn high end Dx9 cards soon.
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QUOTE(radmaszeal @ Sep 15 2006, 11:51 PM)
better get cheap card and wait for Dx10 card prices to stabilize. midrange Dx10 cards would pawn high end Dx9 cards soon.
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It's impractical to compare dx9 and dx10 cards as they're from totally different series. It is seems to be more to a whole new product range itself.
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yeah but it will be better. haha.
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QUOTE(radmaszeal @ Sep 15 2006, 11:03 AM)
yeah but it will be better. haha.
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ddr4 means more bandwitz izzit?and more overclockable rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(MangKoK^ayon @ Sep 16 2006, 12:32 AM)
ddr4 means more bandwitz izzit?and more overclockable rclxms.gif
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it's still new and lots of room for improvement though, the new x1950xt can't utilize the full ability of the ddr4 memory as it is bottlenecked by the gpu itself.
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x1950pro....when launched,less than 1k you guys reckon?

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Does using a graphic card that has GDDR3 on a motherboard with DDR2 memory has any effect? or is it more advisable to have both on the same level like using a graphic card that DDR2 on a motherboard with DDR2 memory?
I'm planning to get a new graphic card but not so sure about this whole DDR2, GDDR3 and GDDR4.
Can someone please enlighten me?
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yay my 3870 is certified GDDR4 wo rclxm9.gif

the GDDR3 and GDDR4 doesnt make any big difference at all as long as you got PCIE slot mobo can use liao rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(spartacvs @ Dec 26 2007, 05:11 PM)
Does using a graphic card that has GDDR3 on a motherboard with DDR2 memory has any effect? or is it more advisable to have both on the same level like using a graphic card that DDR2 on a motherboard with DDR2 memory?
I'm planning to get a new graphic card but not so sure about this whole DDR2, GDDR3 and GDDR4.
Can someone please enlighten me?
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mm, I dont think so. Coz graphics memory is only to be used by teh GC. The motherboard ram a.k.a system memory is used for the system. For entry level GC usually have this Turbo cache thing that cause the GC to share memory with the system mem, so it should be affected abit. And i'm not sure about this, since if you are using higher frequency ram paired with lower frequency ram, the high frequency ram will downclocked to the lower frequency ram, so if the GC is using DDR3 and shared mem. with the system mem. which is DDR2 , the DDR3 will be downclocked. Well i think so tongue.gif But most entry level cards usually not using DDR3.

Btw, i still think that DDR3 is still great and DDR4 is overpowered lol.

DDR2,DDR3,DDR4 is the verson of DDR. DDR3 is faster and better performance than DDR2. The same goes to DDR4. And if you having faster mem, it will allows you to overclock better.
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DDR4 is the future bro great OC ability so better upgrade to DDR4 soon as more demanding games are to be released soon heheheheh
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QUOTE(Sewerspeakers @ Dec 26 2007, 07:31 PM)
mm, I dont think so. Coz graphics memory is only to be used by teh GC. The motherboard ram a.k.a system memory is used for the system. For entry level GC usually have this Turbo cache thing that cause the GC to share memory with the system mem, so it should be affected abit. And i'm not sure about this, since if you are using higher frequency ram paired with lower frequency ram, the high frequency ram will downclocked to the lower frequency ram, so if the GC is using DDR3 and shared mem. with the system mem. which is DDR2 , the DDR3 will be downclocked. Well i think so  tongue.gif  But most entry level cards usually not using DDR3.

Btw, i still think that DDR3 is still great and DDR4 is overpowered lol. 

DDR2,DDR3,DDR4 is the verson of DDR. DDR3 is faster and better performance than DDR2. The same goes to DDR4. And if you having faster mem, it will allows you to overclock better.
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So in another word, in order for both the graphic card and system memory to work hand in hand, its better to have both to be in the same memory family group like graphic card and system memory to be in DDR2?
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QUOTE(spartacvs @ Dec 27 2007, 01:18 AM)
So in another word, in order for both the graphic card and system memory to work hand in hand, its better to have both to be in the same memory family group like graphic card and system memory to be in DDR2?
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nope. RAM on motherboard and memory on graphic card is different. as long your board supports PCI-E, it shouldn't be a problem. you can have your DDR2 RAM and at the same time using a DDR3/DDR4 graphic card. no problem

the DDR2/DDR3/DDR4 memory on graphic cards indicate its own memory. system memory is another thing, which is your RAM

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