found this photo of Frank Zane


to me, he got the perfect physique- lean, well-toned and symmetrical

1 word: ew

who's he? you call that lean n well toned?! he's totally buffed and muscular.

lean and well toned would be like e.g Brad Pitt pre-Troy.

somehow i feel his leg look like "chicken's leg".

hey jerk
can you shut up with the negative comments?
fools like you have no idea the difficulties we have to go through to achieve something like that
Frank Zane is an ectomorph, and for him to achieve that, it's amazing. Put your bloody shoes where your damnned mouth is and shut up.

I hate it when fools like you, come and "EWW" a majestic body, sculpted to perfection like that. All you idiots like, are bodies like ambercrombie models, and bodybuilders don't even condemn those types. What makes you, think you have any f***ing right to say negative things about these bodybuilders!!
Stop condemming bodybuilders! Stop condemming powerlifters! Stop condemming if you don't involve yourself in such activities! Do you think lifting 500 pounds is something you can do!!?

Fool! Just spoils my damnned day.









Always been a fan or arnie. The way he trains, inspires

This post has been edited by pizzaboy: Aug 22 2006, 11:21 PM

Looks pretty good to me, but a bit unbalanced for the triceps. I'd love to have that kind of body though. I don't really mind chicken leg anyway....drumsticks taste great

my dream physique

JOHN CENA!!!

nice physique....i'm sure you'll get there eventually.

Frank Zane's body is almost perfect, I wonder what appropriate workout routines to do to achieve that kind of body?

Well said pizzaboy. I laugh when people like to say "i don't wanna get too big", but i'm sure they secretly would like to achieve a powerful, muscular physique. The reason why they say shit like that is because they CAN'T.
They do not have the dedication or passion to do so. Heck, even if they talk about Brad Pitt's body, a physique like that isn't easy to achieve either.

-mislogin-

This post has been edited by ben_panced: Aug 23 2006, 04:11 AM

my dream physique???
i dunno who he is.....but i like his




Chow.

Hey pz, u need to chill man, what may seem majestic to u doesn't necessary be the same for others. If everyone think and like the same thing, there's no point opening this thread is it?


Not everyone like to have a big and bulky physic. If I get to choose between Ronnie and my current physic, I'll stick with mine thank u.


In my opinion, I think Flex Wheeler have the perfect physic. Love his size, shape, muscularity and defination. Dexter Jackson would come in a close 2nd.

This post has been edited by AssKicker: Aug 23 2006, 02:11 PM

I agree with pizzaboy, but i think you r a bit hot tempered... lol... anyway, cool down and i think the guy has a very good body... nothing to "Ewwww" about.

However, I prefer lean body. My dream body would be like Paul Walker... (Just watch "Into the Blue" recently)

wow... Arnold.. i almost forgot his superb 7 times mr.universe shape. totaly awesome!

what i want now is to train my lembik chest and burn my tyres around my waist.
definition of waist : the narrowing of the body between the ribs and hips

i want my narrowing back!! darklight79, you are kind of sifu in this area. any advice for a good shape wanna be?

oh... this guy is a 40+ year old man and he showing his progress of a set of program which will show his body got more toned up from left to right.... I think if you need to reach that age then only can archieve that kind of stage of muscle without the help of hormone or drug and of course as lean as his also, just plain and natural. It is not easy to gain a 1lb of muscle wei....

I have a feeling that bodybuilders are usually egoistic and have high self-esteem. They can't accept those who have different opinion from them, and always they need to criticize the others. You might have a good point, but u dun have to condemn/criticize other people to bring it out. Just say it in a good manner.

Remember, you do not use force (verbally or physically) to get others to agree with you, that is just too lame. You need to convince so that people will agree with you willingly.

Accept the fact that not everyone think like you, and since this is a forum, everyone is free to give their opinion, so long as they do not do it in an offensive way that might hurt your feeling.

This post has been edited by victor_hoh: Aug 23 2006, 10:07 AM

guys, its fine to get heated up over topics you're passionate about as it brings new understandings to why you and others have such ideals but i will stop you if you try to shit one someone else's ideals(that means you siowgirl).


@knumskul: wtf?

eta: @victor_hoh: if you were to post a picture of your wife or your daughter and someone were to say "eww" you'd get pissed off too. in the same way when someone posts a picture of what they dream to one day achieve and someone says eww, they get pissed off. noone is trying to force anything on anyone here, just 1 person trolling and pissing people off.


This post has been edited by malaysianPotato: Aug 23 2006, 10:12 AM

I would feel bad, but I would not get angry. Scolding back the someone with words like "jerk", "Put your bloody shoes where your damnned mouth is and shut up", makes u no different than the someone that say "eww", right?

and, when u are going to post a picture of your wife or your daughter on the Internet, you must be ready to get some positive and negative comments out of it. Even the US President gets negative comments.

sigh, the point is siowgirl was in the wrong when she said eww, people reacting harshly to her comment is normal, people are human.

btw, freedom of speech... was left outside the forums when you signed the terms and agreements, your "freedom of speech" within the forums is limited to whatever the mods and above say it is.

now get back on topic.

This post has been edited by malaysianPotato: Aug 23 2006, 11:18 AM

Listen buddy! When you post in a forum, you instantly subject yourself to any form of judgment or criticism. Don't gimme that self righteous bullshit. Your statement ------->
I have a feeling that bodybuilders are usually egoistic and have high self-esteem. They can't accept those who have different opinion from them, and always they need to criticize the others

I'm a bodybuilder/powerbuilder, pizzaboy is an aspiring bodybuilder enthusiast. So, are you not judging us with this statement? And there's a difference in truly sinking to people's level or playing along. Man.... i get a kick out of reading hypocritical posts of judgmental presumptuous individuals who turn back their arguments on themselves.

wow, it looks like a 20+ youngster's body .

Why are you contradicting yourself?


Btw, you're trying to assert your opinion on other people by that post you know? You're indirectly telling people how to react, and no 2 people are the same. No 2 people's reactions are the same. C'mon, this is a forum, there're bound to be different POV's and heated debates/arguments. What? You expect a forum full of pansies skipping along a yellow brick road paved with buttercups and jumping bunnies?

Flex Wheeler was said to be the most genetically gifted man on the planet in this time. Too bad he didn't win an Olympia. Well yeah, I wouldn't want to look like Ronnie either. The sport of pro bodybuilding has evolved into playing the freaky mass game, which is a major turn off for a lot of people. The thing is, even if you mentioned Flex or Dex, sadly, it can never be accomplished, one thing superior genetics, second, but most importantly, steroids.
I wouldn't mind looking like John Grimek or Larry Scott. Look'em up. Those guys looked great during the pre Iron Age era.

mind to tell me why??
a bit confuse there~~
u mean young ppl dun hav enuff hormone??



Chow.

after 25 years old, your muscle building hormones start plummeting. setting your body into the right state for muscle building gets stricter than ever. so i think he meant getting that kind of a physique for a 40 years old is a great feat.

get back on topic guys.. the topic here is asking those who has dream physiques to post the pics up.. not for u to display that "not only didn't contribute but shit on someone else's dream" attitude..

so if u have nothing constructive to say.. then STFU and go somewhere else.. just becuz u have nothing good to say doesn't mean u have to go and post every single thought in that mini pee infested rotting meat u call a brain of yours!

btw.. i love the rock!! john cena! and the king.. Batista!!

Yeah exactly. The topic was post your dream physique. Not a lesson on manners in a forum. I don't really blame pizzaboy for getting pissed.

This post has been edited by darklight79: Aug 23 2006, 03:02 PM

Yeah, i gotta agree on this. I wish i had all the right info many many years earlier. Too much reading of crappy Flex and M & F mags.
But it's never too late to make progress. Ain't ain't an excuse.

i get a lot of those cruel words from my other friends some of the time and i got so used to it i just shut them off from my world. funny how someone who chooses not to do anything with their lives try to pull you down to their own level. i'll just let them be and grind their maple characters to lvl999 sitting in front of their pc 12 hours a day.

lol.. dude.. when u go out and get the envious looks.. and the attention from chicks, that'll be enought to shut them up.. keep on lifting!! you'll never lift alone!! brothers in iron, arm in arm, we will rock the world!!

lol, carl. i think the regulars at my gym are the friendliest bunch of people. hey are you the same carl from maxtrition?

being able to look like a gym goer with my clothes on is enough for me though i wouldn't mind having 50lbs of extra muscle on top of that.

Relax. It happens. When i first started lifting, i was one of the weakest mofos in the gym. Everyone starts somewhere. Judge yourself made on the progress you made, not comparing yourself to others because everyone is different on a genetic scale my friend. I remember you as an avid lifter. I saw some of your pics. You were making some progress. Hope you got the proper diet and training dialled in. How's the progress now anyway?
We're here if you need to ask for advice. Feel free to hit us up bro.

yeah that's me from maxTALK.. lol..

who wouldn't want an additional 50 lbs of muscle? haha..

Yep, he's the same carl and i'm the same darklight. Lol. Where're you training at? And what do you mean the regs are not the friendliest bunch?

Here, think about it this way. You can try what i did. My first goal was to look good without a shirt, did it, then next was to look big in a bodyhugging shirt. Did it, then it became normal sized shirts, L, then XL. Now I'm wearing XXL and it's still obvious i work out. It takes time, perseverance and a good diet.

thanks, darklight bro. if there's something i need it's the reassurance from someone else. i didn't grow much since the last time i used to hang around the h&f forum. poor diet cuz i was spending my money on unneccesary things and been skipping a few weeks here and there due to injuries in the forearms and chest because i ignored my rest. oh, and i saw pizzaboy at my gym, strong dude. but you must have mistaken me for someone else cuz i've never posted my pics b4.

lol, mmu gym where else. no, i meant the regs are the friendliest bunch of people at my gym.

i'd been receiving a few hundred bucks for doing my junior's homework, now i'm warming up slowly to my usual weights and am gonna bulk for 2 months before i run out of money again. dude, you gotta post all your old pics in a sequence from s, m, l, xl, xxl and omgwifebeater, im gonna make u my dream physique.

Yeah, i met pizzaboy a few months back. Trained with him once or twice and gave him a few tips here and there. Glad to hear he's doing fine. I correspond with him on msn all the time.

I was 50kgs when i first started. Now at 97kgs. Was stuck at 87 for a while because i didn't know eating right was such a big part of the equation. Upped my protein and caloric intake then and i grew again. Currently on a bulking phase.
Here's my latest pic, got pretty good comments from the US guys.

http://www.forum.bodybuilding.com/showthre...47#post11182147

I won't cut yet till i'm absolutely sure I'm big enough. I'm happy with a 4 pack ab for the time being. Trying to achieve a 6 pack and packing on mass is pretty unrealisitic.

This post has been edited by darklight79: Aug 23 2006, 03:47 PM

bigger than ever, bro. but i agree, no point cutting if you aren't satisfied with your current size, muscles don't come easy. you're not far from having delts as big as your head that's for sure!

You saying i have a small head boy?! *Thwack*

Lol. Thanks mate. But i made a lot of f***ed up mistakes gettign there. If only the stuff i knew now when i was your age, then my progress would've been so much better. You're lucky you have people to guide you when you're still young. Seriously, stay away from bodybuilding mags. They bring about a lot of newbies' downfalls.

Btw, i can't seem to find that damn before pic of me. I don't think it's on this comp. Grrr..

Seems like people are getting off-topic here, discussing their bodybuilding history instead of posting photos of their dream physique... hey pay some respect to the Topic Starter will ya?

Let me give some contribution then.



p/s: jab jab jab.... haha... chill out dude.

This post has been edited by victor_hoh: Aug 23 2006, 04:27 PM

ok, bro. find it and post it. before and after pics rocks my socks! but remember to cut off the head cuz there are a lot of these small evil little people here in lowyat.net's forum. i've a friend who weighs 50kg but i can't imagine you having the same frame as he does cuz if u do, u really did come a long way.

*cheap jab coming from the same person who started his first post here giving us a piece of his stereotypical mind of what he thinks gym goers are.

*lol, let's just have fun posting here and get to know everyone, victor.

This post has been edited by Panadol: Aug 23 2006, 04:47 PM

Oh no worries. I'm sure the threadstarter wouldn't mind. It's still bodybuilding related. That physique is pretty ok i guess. Appeals more to Asian women and it's more of a cover model kind of figure. Not my type but it's got some pretty decent cuts but definitely not enough mass.

as long as it is not "EW", i definitely won't mind

for hong kong movie star, to me, donnie yen (seven swords, dragon tiger gate)has the most admirable physique. his muscle is full of power.

there's a hong kong action movie star who works out at the curve one.. but didn't see him recently.. i don't really know his name.. but maybe some of you who've seen him will know? he always go with his wife whos quite pretty one..

oh ya.. and for some apparent reason, he always bring along an extra adidas squatting shoe and huge power lifting belt.. but i never see him doing ANY heavy work.. just dumb machines and some curls, abwork and off he goes.. lame..

i think he is amazingly cut tho.. as i can literally see the twin head in his calves whenever he flexes it.. impressive..

Errr... you referring to Mark Cheng who owns the Flame restaurant chain?

i dunno whether he's called mark cheng or not la.. and i've never heard of flame restaurant..

but must be him la.. he works out at FF one..

this is Mark Cheng, ring any bells, carl?


here's a pic of Donnie Yen

ya ya ya! that's him.. mark cheng it is.. what's his chinese name ah?

looks like a joke walking around with all that equipment but not using it.. what's more, he's always shadow boxing and doing tai chi in MY damn squat rack!! bloody hell!!

at least he's gone now.. haha..

ahahahaha, i didn't know he's such a prick in the gym. but he's got a pretty fierce look which i sorta admire.

full name is Cheng Ho-Nam, name oso samseng, like Chan Ho-Nam in Young and Dangerous. but it goes well with his looks lah, gua suka. i remember him as the hired assassin in Election 2.

I rielly got pissed off by that "Eww" comment because after hearing it so many times, you just blow up. Do they know the amount of time, dedication, money spent and potential injuries these pros subject themselves when lifting those weights?
And they just spit out a "Eww" comment.

Anyway, it's cool. I was spittin mad cuz of exam stress I guess. Chill now.

yeah.. i remember him as SeeTo Ho-Nam in young and dangerous with ekin cheng..

yeah i understand what u mean pizzaboy.. just ignore ppl like that..

Looking up on Google about him, I found that there's quite a number of porno movies that he acted in (in his younger days, I suppose).

This post has been edited by yeeck: Aug 23 2006, 08:59 PM

All Natural Tom Venuto, gotta love him

yeah, i also like this kind of natural body.
he is very knowledgeable in natural body-building.
i like to read his articles on http://www.bodybuildingsecrets.com/home.php
especially, this one
form: the difference between bodybuilding & weight lifting

I actually found that site from your blog, t+1 . previously, i've only seen his pics and not know his name.

This post has been edited by FleshWound: Aug 25 2006, 11:10 PM

thanks for reading my blog

wuiyooo...this one natural ke.....impressive
Donnie Yen quite good too...seen him in Highlander and Blade 2
but i tot he's skinny

Chow.

thats my man!!!!!!!!! ARNOLD ROCKS!!!!!!!

i heard arnold's biceps+triceps size is around 24 inch lol.

i like this 2...




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I can believe that. Thought it does sound a bit far-fetched.

However, put arnold in a ring with brock lesnar......I'll put my cash on brock.
Put brock against bruce lee, i'll put my money on bruce. BRUCE! Weird biceps tho bruce lee.

brock lesnar is a real wrestler..altho he is WWE...

Bruce lee got chance or not wor?..once kena hug from brock lesnar sure die liao....

Bruce VS UFC champion?

i hope my gf can be like her

ermmm... do you have any idea what is the amount of force that Bruce Lee's punch can be reach? Imagine his fist is not big, but with that amount of force bang to your stomach or face or the throat. What will happen? Normal physic:

P=F/A; (F= force that he created, A = area of his fist)

Or apply the momentum principle, his arm is fast enough until your flesh eyes cannot see, and with that kind of speed hit and object with low speed, not moving or moving against his direction.

Just some logic thought of mine.

Take this ito consideration, at 140lbs, bruce was able to hold a barbell, 140lbs,his bodyweight, his hand extended fully, for numerous seconds.
If brock was 260lbs, do you think he'd be able to lift 260lbs, barbell, stabilize it and hold it up?

Consider another fact, brock's not as fast as bruce. Bruce hands, move faster than what the eye can capture. For brock to catch bruce, would be an interesting challenge on itself.
Bruce has also got the ability to down 3 men, one holding a kicking bag, with his fist.
Bruce can also do a sidekick, till the punching bag goes up and hits the wall and explodes.
Chuck Norris once said, bruce could probably be the strongest man ever alive.
Chuck norris, is not weak either, and to regonise bruce as the strongest man alive, probabbly speaks much.

However, it's not worth debating as bruce's gone. He will however, forever be in my opinion, the strongest man ever.

Offtopic: I cant believe you can "tahan" the lack of a leet graphic card. The X300 seems to be a torture...

Anyway, IMO, Jet Li is also another person who is strong and powerful. But there are also plenty of those "hidden" martial artists in china who do not show themselves . That's a pity.

i dont know who started the off topic brock lesnar Vs bruce lee lar...

i know bruce lee 3 inch fist..but how many pound of force...?is that equivalent with mike tyson or boxer force?

Do u know there was a japanese master that invented K1...not quite sure....1 punch can kill a bull...

So either one of them needed only one move....either one catch or few punch and kick..

Do u watch UFC?no matter how fast and powerful a fighter is...once he is brought down on the floor or locked and catched..that's it...

or Mike tyson vs bruce lee? UFC fighter vs bruce Lee?Or muay thai fighter vs bruce lee?

sometimes....There is a reason why there is lightweight,middleweight and heavyweight...

maybe we should start a spam topic ...Bruce lee vs other fighter

hahaha, i can handle it
it's fine with me. no games anyway

yeah, there are. The ones in Shaolin, are terribly tough. Seen before a few of them, when they came to malaysia for a show. Then when I had a chat with them (with my super broken cina), it seems they train in the morning,1 hour, before breakfast, then they meditate, then they study, then they train again in the afternoon. Then meditate, and at night, train again.
Damn bloody freaking godamn strict right??!!!

Mas Oyama, founder of kyokushin karate, wikipedia it for more info.

grappling is different from stand up fighting, which is why stand up fighters usually dont go in the ring with wrestlers, for an obvious reason why watch genki sudo vs butterbean.

bruce lee would beat mike tyson easily, boxing is too limited and is an unatural sport and style of fighting, it limits you to upper body attacks and requires you to step into your opponents punches to counter.

ufc fighter vs bruce lee, hard to say, bruce lee would be considered an MMA fighter as he learned many different styles and absorbed them into his own personal style.

muay thai as brutal as it is, is only as good as the practitioner is, genki sudo beat ramon dekkar(sp?), during the early 50-60s a kyokushin practitioner beat what the thai's considered their best boxer at the time, after which they quickly cried foul blablabla.

you have to remember that most styles are limited in its own way, the ultimate limiter is the practitioner, after which is the limitations which are set by the style itself. schools that do no teach how to fight on the floor, or teach to attack non vital spots or fail to condition student's bodies and minds to pain.
style vs style/person arguments are flawed and a waste of time.

you can start a spam topic but not in the health and fitness section, first person to start a spam topic in the health and fitness section gets his thread closed, warned and if i have my way banned for a week.

get back on topic.

This post has been edited by malaysianPotato: Aug 29 2006, 12:19 AM

Jay Tavare,


i hope can become like this

huh? This one very hard one ler.... you need to implant some real bear's skin and modify your jaw and nose and the teeth also, haiz... it is too complicated... it need to be done by plastic surgery, or brain transplant with a grizzly bear

This post has been edited by iDk: Aug 29 2006, 04:43 AM

WTF......

how about this? Good defination and well balanced.



This post has been edited by iDk: Aug 30 2006, 07:27 PM

lol... beh tahan.... good joke!!!

which of these pics do you guys like.... i like the one in grey... maintaining the body is actually very hard if you want a tight abs....i don't know what these guys surivive on.... what would thier meal be in the afternoon and especially night..


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the rest are a lil too skiny........the guy on the maximum right's okay.
lotsa cardio man, these guys look like they go through lotsa lotsa cardio.

their manly chests r cool...

If they are considered skinny, what about the rest of us?

we're stickmen

pro!!!!

v r asian ma..but i will run away if my bf haf too big(/bulky?) muscle..
looking toned,right&fine instead of 2skinny/muscular wilb just great:)
those WWE wrestler de body...i takut 2even look @'em..

just a view fr gal:)

people who bodybuild usually dont do it for the ladies, they do it for themselves.

that's the point, to scare the girls away, after that try to scare the boys away again.

sometimes i dun understand gals....seriously....
sometimes they comments us on being too skinny and told us go to build some muslce....
and when we show some muscular guy pics they takut pula


Chow.

i think darklight's signature explains it vividly .
"I hate to say it, but most petite, attractive females seem to prefer the Brad Pitt "small but lean" look. So if you're planning to get huge, do it for yourself, not for the b****es." - pu12en12g

very true.. if you want girls.. go get plastic surgery la.. make yourself look like brad pitt..

trust me, if i cared about girls' opinions, i'd stopped at 65KG's.

haha, on the contrary, i do care about girls' opinion and therefore i'll never over 75kg .

haha T+1 good choice for ya

i think guys wan gal just the same way we want our guys to b like...
they dun wan they gal to b too skinny or too muscular(macam lelaki edi)

u built up d muscle over d acceptable standard where most gal might b too scared to even take a glance...n u think it is cool...by all means go ahead:) no1 stops ya...

of course! and we will go full blast!!!
we guys want our girls to be what we want them to be. But it will never be the other way round, so we dont take orders from girls and we dont even bother to look at their tiny little opinion of us and our body.

The thing is with women, is that they assume the man's physique will constantly be that big.
It doesn't, not many people can keep looking vascular and huge all the time. If it's that easy, you'd see KL crawling with men, the size of Arnie already.