Hi everyone

Wanna check with is the different between bottom mount and top mount for sink? Any advantage or disadvantage?

So, if for sink, should we install stainless steel one or granite?

Top mount will have a "lip" at the top edge of the sink. Undermount will have a smooth transition between the countertop and sink. So for top mount you may get some water ponding between the sink lip and the backsplash/wall when water splashes over the top of the sink.

Stainless steel or granite depends on your taste and budget. Granite of course more $$. And you may find it hard to find an installer to undermount a granite sink, because granite is much heavier... though I believe it can be done.

Apart from the water ponding between the sink and wall, after install a sink for some years, if we change the sink, do we require to redo the cement process again?

Does stainless steel easy to scratch? and easy to stick any stain?

Anyone can recommend where can get kitchen sink in good price at KL?

Hi

Any idea to get stainless steel sink or granite sink? And, top mount or bottom mount to install?

depends on which look you like and price point. both got cheap and got expensive. some branded stainless steel can be twice as expensive as the same branded granite.

for me, in my experience, SS seems to have more water spotting. i have no experience with composite granite but from what I see in test and video, water seems to run off much better than SS

undermount of course looks better and cleaner. undermount sinks looks great when it doesnt have a ledge in the middle or at the side (like those double bowl sinks). If you want double bowl, get two undermount sinks. its pretty much about the final look. undermount will be more difficult to change out depending on how it was installed earlier. installation is very crucial in undermount sinks.

Thank you for your advice.

so you got any recommend, which kitchen sink for get for both SS and granite type? I planning get both each.

I bought a Blanco composite granite. Gonna top mount it.
I dunno what to recommend you. Just too many to choose from and different price point

So after long term using current market sink and is my first time, what will be the disadvantage normally we could experience over many brands?

I was told top mount usually for wet kitchen and under mount for dry kitchen ?

Is there any explanation and logic behind your statement?

Top mount - you can just place the sink on top of solid surface or any counter top.

Undermount - Sink is placed between countertop and cabinet carcase. If tiled countertop, sink is placed only after countertop construction is completed and dried, before tiling over sink and countertop.

This will require stronger support for the sink with tiled countertop as compared to solid surface/countertop with cabinet carcass because the cabinet carcass supports the sink directly.

Pros for top mount :

1. When you want to change sink, just undo the silicon etc and remove sink without hacking the countertop & cabinet.

Cons:

1. Not as neat looking compared to under mount if you are looking at aesthetics.

Pros for undermount:

1. seamless joint look with countertop as it sort of "flush" in line

Cons:

1. Changing sink means have to hack everything.

If getting SS, make sure the grade is 304 and sink thickness must be 0.8mm and above.

Thank you for your input

Will most sink regardless SS or garnite has same size? because if do top mount or undermount, also will require to re-do the countertop size. is it?

So, which brand would you recommend for SS or granite? Very difficult to detect is it SS 304 from the brand.

For top mount sink replacement, yes have to find back same size. Unless you want to make a bigger hole in the countertop.

For undermount sink replacement, need to hack everything and rebuild the countertop from scratch.

Granite, Blanco is quite well known and I know this brand only because frankly I have never used granite sinks before as with granite sinks, need to take extra care. They can crack if you accidentally bang or use really heavy item on it.

SS sinks, you won't go wrong with a few familiar brands like Sorento, Teka, kohler, klaus, franke to name. But be warned, kohler, klaus are pricey brands but reviews have rated them as really durable, and good quality. Need to order them from Amazon. Or get the equivalent of it from TaoBao.

For Sorento, Teka brands you can go and check them out. If you are in KL, you can look for the resident seller, Zheilwane. He has good feedback and has a actual shop you can go to.

You don't have to and wouldn't want to do this. You definitely need to take everything apart to change sink if you do it this way...

Btw how's your kitchen to wall alignment problem?

Well, this would apply to tiled countertop. Not with solid surface top/countertop and wood cabinets since need to dismantle the solid surface/countertop but problem would lie with how they remove it without damaging the sink itself.

Kitchen carpentry installed yesterday, the guys were hard at work trying to align the cabinets/drawers to the innerside of my countertop. After installation, I had a really good look at the alignment. Was mentally f**king the tiling contractor upside down in my mind.

The kitchen countertop is indeed slanted and the extra 2 leg supports (not needed in my opinion) is definitely not straight because the cabinet doors does not flush straight against the leg supports. At least cabinet doors flush straight side by side.

For Tall cabinet alignment, the gap is not so big infront because the installer tried his best to align it, including adding extra back support.

I would say the installer and his helper deserve a thumbs up for doing his very best to install nicely and even fixing the oven plug, switches without extra charges~

if your countertop is resting on a piece of rough top then its not a problem - see the video
this way you can still remove and replace the sink in the future



if your countertop is concrete with tiles on top, I dont think you want to put an undermount sink cause it will look ugly with the thickness of the concrete base and tile showing - usually for concrete counters, you will use top mount sinks, correct me if I am wrong.

This post has been edited by idoblu: Jul 31 2014, 04:34 PM

What about brand of HCE or Haustern sink?



Concrete tiles top is it expensive to do compare to solid top? i have it in my mind to do at my new house.

So, the suggestion should use only top mount ya for the reason of aesthetic. Correct?

I am one that is doing concrete with tiles and pair with blanco sink. Don't know the outcome yet. Work in progress. Hopefully everything turns out great !

May I ask What's your countertop ?

What type mount u r installing your Blanco sink? Granite too?

planning on getting Caesarstone Quartz.
reason for top mounting my Dalago 45 is purely aesthetic
see which way you prefer =


Under Mount -



vs

Top Mount -


What do you guys think? which way is nicer looking?



This post has been edited by idoblu: Jul 31 2014, 05:33 PM

I'm going for top mount with a pull out faucet

I'm going for top mount with a pull out faucet

Yes. Double bowl granite

HCE or Haustern sinks I have seen around in this forum but I don't know how the quality is?

Do PM zheilwane as he he should be selling HCE/Haustern sinks as well.

I'm using undermount sink for my concrete support but I kind of dislike the way my tilling contractor did my undermount sink. Make it look so lousy

My view would be biased but if I have to choose one for u out of the two and if u don't mind under mount, I will go with under mount.

I'll be getting a single bowl granite too. Haven't decided the brand. Either hce or rubine ...

I thought you bought a blanco pleon 9?

yeah initially I was gonna undermount it. now Im rethinking

how about some pictures? i like to see the edges where the tile meets the sink, and how it is done, thanks

This post has been edited by idoblu: Jul 31 2014, 06:03 PM

Blanco pleon 9 is for my wet kitchen. Another single bowl will be for my dry kitchen

Rethinking because of ?

because, for my sink. I believe top mount would look nicer

This post has been edited by idoblu: Jul 31 2014, 06:08 PM

So it's 1-1 now. Let's race to 3 and let that be your deciding factor haha

What's your actual color combination ? As per the pics?

Btw, what faucet u'll be installing?

another reason is my quartz countertop is not going to be resting on a piece of plywood. that would make undermounting a bit harder. not impossible just a bit harder. you can buy a sink settler and easily mount it

my sink is anthracite on white countertop. cant find a picture but this is close

Bro I PM you the pic ok?

sure can. thanks and if any pics of your slanted countertop as well....i still got no idea what it is all about

Bro. Count me in. I want to learn you know how to reach me

Ok. If this combi, I veto my vote. I change to top mount

the one in the picture is rock grey and it is actually flush mounted, not top mount, maybe thats why you change your vote

which color did you buy for your pleon 9?

This post has been edited by idoblu: Jul 31 2014, 06:26 PM

Oh no wonder. Didn't notice it's flush mount. Haha

Can I do flush mount with tiles u think?

My pleon 9 is black ...

Flush mount need to buy flush mounted models
But if you try to flush mount yours I think can la if you can accept a tiny little gap. The edges of your pleon 9 is a bit rounded. So this meets your tile there will be a little ditch I think

Oh. So leceh. Ya, u r very sharp to notice the round edges

what taps will u install ?

I always look at the edges of anything even in kitchen cabinets, etc The middle part always look nice, it's always the edges, corners, that make or break the whole entire look.

My kitchen mixer is given by the developer. It is supposed to be a Grohe 31230000 (google for image)
I will just use that if nothing changes

This post has been edited by idoblu: Jul 31 2014, 07:10 PM

Guys, what faucet you all use for dry and wet kitchen? Suggestion please and along with what brand should get..I wont go for high end though



Bro, tag me along too..in learning curve too.


So, guys, actually my house will have dry and wet kitchen

I see @brandnewstart using 1 bowl sink..any suggestion apart from this idea. im thinking of wet go for SS, dry go for granite..come come to papa with ideas..hehehe

Bro, what is flush mount type? I thought sink only have 2 type, top or bottom mount only.

Found a real picture of an actual kitchen. The placement of sink and hob is similar to my set up



This post has been edited by idoblu: Jul 31 2014, 08:42 PM

Wah. Swee! The tap is nice too

I bought from taobao. I'll paste link if u are interested to know.

flush mounted is like this - the edge of the sink is flush with your countertop



if you are undermounting, the next question you need to decide is the amount of reveal
more things for you to headache

Do share the link

http://detail.m.tmall.com/item.htm?id=3723...&id=37239601438

http://detail.m.tmall.com/item.htm?id=3725...&id=37255472494

Are you able to open ?

So what i understand

Top mount, edges of sink is sit on countertop
Undermount, edges of sink is below countertop, and we will see the thickness of the countertop too
Flush mount, edges of sink parallel with the countertop

Yes, can access. Thank you. This is online shop correct? is the product fully SS? good SS?

Another thing, i been told, we should look for sink at least min thickness=0.8mm. But what about for depth? I see the depth also important, so water will reduce from splash out

This post has been edited by ethanhan: Jul 31 2014, 09:14 PM

here is a better diagram of the flush mount. i think this method is not for your everyday countertop fella to do. it needs to be very precise cut - It has the advantage of an undermount with the ease of a top mount.






Below is the diagram for undermount and the amount of reveal - how much or none depends on your taste






hmmmm...now im second guessing why I didnt buy a flush mount sink.....

This post has been edited by idoblu: Jul 31 2014, 09:01 PM

Try open the links in desktop. You will see more details. The descriptions are detailed enough to answer your questions

U just have to take note on the size of your sink hole. Standard is 35mm for pre-drilled sink hole to install the tap. If you install on table top, sizes may vary.

Haha. Stop being so fickle minded. It's done now! Lol

anybody wants to buy a blanco dalago 45?
you need a small sink for your dry kitchen dont you?


wah this soap dispenser nice leh and so cheap - http://detail.m.tmall.com/item.htm?id=3724...31369_378&pos=3

This post has been edited by idoblu: Jul 31 2014, 09:06 PM

I need to qualify that I have not seen the actual products. It's in warehouse pending shipment to me. So your judgement called is required

Yes. I like it too. But because on the blanco sink, there is another covered but predrilled hole of 35mm in size, and this dispenser fits 25mm only. So I held back and see what I wanna do next time. So meantime keep in view

Make me an offer! Hehe

This post has been edited by BrandNewStart: Jul 31 2014, 09:08 PM

Pm me your email add.

Im using this type of faucet. Nothing fanciful because at the end of the day, it must be functional. My kitchen is not even a showroom in the first place. And my sink is also a 1 bowl sink with 1.0mm thickness.



Attached thumbnail(s)

I try to click at 'product details' but unable to load..does it require to sign up?

No. No sign up required. Not sure why u can't load.

ya cant see the description....where did you see 25mm?

how much is this faucet and what makes you buy it?

Must be because I pasted the links using mobile. Noticed there is .m. In the links. I try paste again

fixed. here is the link again - http://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?id=372446...31369_378&pos=3

This post has been edited by idoblu: Jul 31 2014, 09:17 PM

http://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?id=37239601438

http://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?id=37255472494

try again

OK, can read all info already. thx..So who have bought things from this link? any feedback or result?

This post has been edited by ethanhan: Jul 31 2014, 09:18 PM

Great. Happy it works now. Have a read and let me know what u think

impressive and cheap
the soap dispenser says 25mm hole but what does it says about the 30mm something something, im banana
the 30mm may be the outer part that covers the predrilled hole

Bro. Don't say that. Everyone has own preference. No right or wrong. No showroom or non showroom type. Beauty lies in eyes of beholders

Mine is 35 mm. Sigh

Tap is RM89

Faucet must have a curve for strong water flow than straight curve.

Anyway it was either the push down lever faucet or the twist-turn lever faucet. So I went with the twist-turn lever cos feels more stable.

Share with you a couple of examples showing undermount sinks on concrete support, wood support before laying tiles and surface top in either solid surface/granite or quartz material. Last pic is with tiled countertop and undermount granite sink. The thickness between tile/top and sink depends on cement or silicone applied

oohhh...now i understand liao...
this looks more like a flush mount.
liddat BrandNewStart can have his flush mount already

This post has been edited by idoblu: Jul 31 2014, 09:49 PM

Great info. Thanks bro !

its more like a flush mount. now you can do already

see how skilful is my contractor first. if he is not confident, then no talk already

You're welcome!

suddenly im super excited seeing this flush mount!

If you are putting tiles then any small gap will be covered by the tile. If no tiles then it needs to be precise

Ya do take note of the thickness of cement applied between tile and sink if too thick that looks like squeezed out between a hamburger with lots of sauce.

also looks like ants building nest there ... ew

so what would you do? have u made up mind yet ?

Maybe your contractor shouldn't use cement but silicon....

I will be top mounting mine...

cement is needed to adhere the tiles together based on bro S'aimer

bro saimer, should there be a layer of silicon to conceal the cement?

No. Sealant has to be applied outside. You can google how waterproof sealant is applied to sinks' outer. Easier for you to understand.

Depends on the skill of the contractor and his workers. This is why I am mentally f**king them upside down in my head and I know I cannot do anything now that the sink has been mounted.

Makes me regret but what to do? My renovation budget burst and cannot spend so much to redo all that now.

im looking at my old sink now that is top mount, i can see how the silicon runs.

think the conclusion is we cannot replace cement with silicon as suggested

Use cement, in fact I would use tile adhesive, on the tiles but on the sink lip., leave it blank. Then seal the edges with silicon. Just a thought.

no compensation on the damages they caused? as in cut their price ?

ok, let me toy that idea with contractor and see if he has done it before. if he hasn't done anything so adventurous before, i'll just top mount it. so may be back to square one