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TSethanhan
post Jul 24 2014, 05:14 PM, updated 12y ago

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Hi everyone

Wanna check with is the different between bottom mount and top mount for sink? Any advantage or disadvantage?

So, if for sink, should we install stainless steel one or granite?

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post Jul 24 2014, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(azleena @ Jul 24 2014, 06:03 PM)
Top mount will have a "lip" at the top edge of the sink. Undermount will have a smooth transition between the countertop and sink. So for top mount you may get some water ponding between the sink lip and the backsplash/wall when water splashes over the top of the sink.

Stainless steel or granite depends on your taste and budget. Granite of course more $$. And you may find it hard to find an installer to undermount a granite sink, because granite is much heavier... though I believe it can be done.
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Apart from the water ponding between the sink and wall, after install a sink for some years, if we change the sink, do we require to redo the cement process again?

Does stainless steel easy to scratch? and easy to stick any stain?
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post Jul 26 2014, 03:34 PM

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Hi

Any idea to get stainless steel sink or granite sink? And, top mount or bottom mount to install?
TSethanhan
post Jul 29 2014, 07:47 PM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Jul 26 2014, 04:00 PM)
depends on which look you like and price point. both got cheap and got expensive. some branded stainless steel can be twice as expensive as the same branded granite.

for me, in my experience, SS seems to have more water spotting. i have no experience with composite granite but from what I see in test and video, water seems to run off much better than SS

undermount of course looks better and cleaner. undermount sinks looks great when it doesnt have a ledge in the middle or at the side (like those double bowl sinks). If you want double bowl, get two undermount sinks. its pretty much about the final look. undermount will be more difficult to change out depending on how it was installed earlier. installation is very crucial in undermount sinks.
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Thank you for your advice.

so you got any recommend, which kitchen sink for get for both SS and granite type? I planning get both each.
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post Jul 29 2014, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Jul 29 2014, 08:14 PM)
I bought a Blanco composite granite. Gonna top mount it.
I dunno what to recommend you. Just too many to choose from and different price point
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So after long term using current market sink and is my first time, what will be the disadvantage normally we could experience over many brands?
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post Jul 31 2014, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(g88 @ Jul 31 2014, 11:23 AM)
I was told top mount usually for wet kitchen and under mount for dry kitchen ?
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Is there any explanation and logic behind your statement?
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post Jul 31 2014, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Jul 31 2014, 11:43 AM)
Top mount - you can just place the sink on top of solid surface or any counter top.

Undermount - Sink is placed between countertop and cabinet carcase. If tiled countertop, sink is placed only after countertop construction is completed and dried, before tiling over sink and countertop.

This will require stronger support for the sink with tiled countertop as compared to solid surface/countertop with cabinet carcass because the cabinet carcass supports the sink directly.

Pros for top mount :

1. When you want to change sink, just undo the silicon etc and remove sink without hacking the countertop & cabinet.

Cons:

1. Not as neat looking compared to under mount if you are looking at aesthetics.

Pros for undermount:

1. seamless joint look with countertop as it sort of "flush" in line

Cons:

1. Changing sink means have to hack everything.

If getting SS, make sure the grade is 304 and sink thickness must be 0.8mm and above.
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Thank you for your input

Will most sink regardless SS or garnite has same size? because if do top mount or undermount, also will require to re-do the countertop size. is it?

So, which brand would you recommend for SS or granite? Very difficult to detect is it SS 304 from the brand.
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post Jul 31 2014, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Jul 31 2014, 01:03 PM)
For top mount sink replacement, yes have to find back same size. Unless you want to make a bigger hole in the countertop.

For undermount sink replacement, need to hack everything and rebuild the countertop from scratch.

Granite, Blanco is quite well known and I know this brand only because frankly I have never used granite sinks before as with granite sinks, need to take extra care. They can crack if you accidentally bang or use really heavy item on it.

SS sinks, you won't go wrong with a few familiar brands like Sorento, Teka, kohler, klaus, franke to name. But be warned, kohler, klaus are pricey brands but reviews have rated them as really durable, and good quality. Need to order them from Amazon. Or get the equivalent of it from TaoBao.

For Sorento, Teka brands you can go and check them out. If you are in KL, you can look for the resident seller, Zheilwane. He has good feedback and has a actual shop you can go to.
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What about brand of HCE or Haustern sink?



QUOTE(idoblu @ Jul 31 2014, 04:33 PM)
if your countertop is resting on a piece of rough top then its not a problem - see the video
this way you can still remove and replace the sink in the future



if your countertop is concrete with tiles on top, I dont think you want to put an undermount sink cause it will look ugly with the thickness of the concrete base and tile showing - usually for concrete counters, you will use top mount sinks, correct me if I am wrong.
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Concrete tiles top is it expensive to do compare to solid top? i have it in my mind to do at my new house.

So, the suggestion should use only top mount ya for the reason of aesthetic. Correct?
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post Jul 31 2014, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(BrandNewStart @ Jul 31 2014, 05:17 PM)
I am one that is doing concrete with tiles and pair with blanco sink. Don't know the outcome yet. Work in progress. Hopefully everything turns out great !
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What type mount u r installing your Blanco sink? Granite too?
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post Jul 31 2014, 07:39 PM

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QUOTE(BrandNewStart @ Jul 31 2014, 06:15 PM)
Btw, what faucet u'll be installing?
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Guys, what faucet you all use for dry and wet kitchen? Suggestion please and along with what brand should get..I wont go for high end though



QUOTE(S'aimer @ Jul 31 2014, 06:16 PM)
Bro I PM you the pic ok?
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Bro, tag me along too..in learning curve too.


So, guys, actually my house will have dry and wet kitchen

I see @brandnewstart using 1 bowl sink..any suggestion apart from this idea. im thinking of wet go for SS, dry go for granite..come come to papa with ideas..hehehe
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post Jul 31 2014, 07:42 PM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Jul 31 2014, 06:23 PM)
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the one in the picture is rock grey and it is actually flush mounted, not top mount, maybe thats why you change your vote

which color did you buy for your pleon 9?
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Bro, what is flush mount type? I thought sink only have 2 type, top or bottom mount only.
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post Jul 31 2014, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(BrandNewStart @ Jul 31 2014, 08:31 PM)
I bought from taobao. I'll paste link if u are interested to know.
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Do share the link
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post Jul 31 2014, 08:57 PM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Jul 31 2014, 08:48 PM)
flush mounted is like this - the edge of the sink is flush with your countertop

user posted image

if you are undermounting, the next question you need to decide is the amount of reveal  tongue.gif
more things for you to headache
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So what i understand

Top mount, edges of sink is sit on countertop
Undermount, edges of sink is below countertop, and we will see the thickness of the countertop too
Flush mount, edges of sink parallel with the countertop
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post Jul 31 2014, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(BrandNewStart @ Jul 31 2014, 08:52 PM)
Yes, can access. Thank you. This is online shop correct? is the product fully SS? good SS?
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post Jul 31 2014, 09:00 PM

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Another thing, i been told, we should look for sink at least min thickness=0.8mm. But what about for depth? I see the depth also important, so water will reduce from splash out

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post Jul 31 2014, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE(BrandNewStart @ Jul 31 2014, 09:02 PM)
Try open the links in desktop. You will see more details. The descriptions are detailed enough to answer your questions smile.gif

U just have to take note on the size of your sink hole. Standard is 35mm for pre-drilled sink hole to install the tap. If you install on table top, sizes may vary.
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I try to click at 'product details' but unable to load..does it require to sign up?
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post Jul 31 2014, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(BrandNewStart @ Jul 31 2014, 09:17 PM)
OK, can read all info already. thx..So who have bought things from this link? any feedback or result?

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post Aug 1 2014, 08:27 AM

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Jul 31 2014, 09:40 PM)
Share with you a couple of examples showing undermount sinks on concrete support, wood support before laying tiles and surface top in either solid surface/granite or quartz material. Last pic is with tiled countertop and undermount granite sink. The thickness between tile/top and sink depends on cement or silicone applied

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Thank you for the info
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post Aug 1 2014, 09:46 PM

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Hi sifus

Anyone know which would be better value for money..hope no bias on certain brand..looking for one average range

Sink SS and Sink Granite

HCE
Sorento
Cabana
Hauster
Docasa
Baco

Note: I was told Today by salesman, if wanna use granite, countertop should be solid NOT cement tiles. True??

And for faucet, which brand should go for? or chose the cheapest one?

-Felice
-Sorento
-Mocha
-Cabana
-Any other brand?




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post Aug 2 2014, 08:42 AM

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Aug 1 2014, 10:34 PM)
This one hard to say?

Both my sink and faucet are from felice.

Sink is seems solid for a SS sink as it feels a little heavy and the bottom part have rubber pad if I remember right? Need to check next time

This is what my sink looks like in its sheet covering before I undermounted my sink.

As for why I bought the sink and faucet, it just happens they met my budget, has S304 grade, 1.0mm thickness, the size and depth.

So my advice is, go and check out the sinks and faucets.  Feel them at least before looking at price, specs and your budget. You will be using it daily so it's not about choosing the cheapest or value for money as you have to be comfortable with the sink and quality besides the size you need.
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Yes, Felice has the low price range and has rubber pad, even now some sink SS has 4 side rubber pad + bottom rubber pad and plus coating already

So mostly all sink would be the same is it? just see price and which is 304 and thickness so jus grab one huh?

The thickness is it measured from the lubang?

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