Sigh, I had been repeating over and over again, but the optimistic guy will find all sorts of reason to defend our lost.

Come on, we simply fuked up all d friendly match, except the one we win(which is a narrow win too). Doesn't need to compare which club facing good or bad team, we lose it fair and square, and our noisy rival win it fair and square.
Btw, noticed some comment saying that this is just pre season friendly, the players will not give out their 100%, so this logic must apply to other club right? So why they can win and we cant?

Well, let's just see the remaining match, and I wonder what is the full squad that kept on been mentioned? Regularly last season first team player with all the new comer?

With all this poor performance, the next friendly when Liverpool will field their first team squad, they must win at all cost, or else I don't think even the optimistic fans can find any reason.

Anywhere i can find the highlight for City match?

*Understand the word marquee signing in sport industry first.

I said that because nowadays in this inflated market, big names (*and English) always command huge transfer fee. So, is it wrong to say huge transfer fee can be regard as something that can be called marquee signing? Where can you get marquee signing less than £20M or £10M?

Sorry I think you do not understand what does it mean by marquee signing. Marquee signing mean "Being an athlete of exceptional skill and popularity"

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/marquee

Buying expensive player doesn't make the player a marquee signing if his ability is not up to standard.

*Optionally need 1 or 2 players more means we are lack of squad deth. laugh.gif Ok then.

Yes, if we don't signed them, we are lack of squad depth. Why do you think we are after all those players (Remy, Davies, Moreno, Manquillo) in the first place if not for depth?

Currently we had spend = 89M
Signing of Moreno (base on report) = 20M
Total transfer spend = 89M + 20M =  109M.

Our starting transfer budget = 60M
Sales of Suarez = 75M
Total available transfer budget = 135M.

Let not forget that Borini (14M), Assaidi (7M), Lucas (10M) and Agger (5M) is likely to be sold and i believe we could at least get around 36M from the sales for those 4 player

Total transfer budget after selling fridge player and buying player = 135M + 36M - 109M = 62M
With balance 62M we can still manage to get 1 more marque signing for our striker/winger

Last season we barely coup with the fixtures due to lack of European football. This season we got more fixtures to play.
*Agree that competition bring the good out of a player, but we do have Kelly and Flanno, BR still prefer Johnson.

Kelly is not fit last season. And Flanno need to cover LB in absence of Enrique. Do you still can't see how thin our squad are?
*We still have the other income, and the marquee signing I kept on wishing, is on the forward role.

What other income? For a club that pro FFP, I hardly think our owner will pour money like City, Chelsea or PSG. And believe or not £60M is what we have to spend prior to Suarez sell.

What marquee signing do you have in mind? Be as realistic as possible please. And what kind of transfer fee will he command?
*Now where do you come out with that logic with the chances of flop is the same? Logically thinking and with several facts, talented and established player at European level are not likely to flop. Just look at BR transfer so far, only Sturridge and Coutinho turns out good, all others is either flop or doesn't get the chance to play.

Well, you are the one that saying it is two way roads "I would also use your word, which is a "marquee" or an expensive player who had great establishment at European football doesn't guarantee success with us. I could use the same logic for mediocre player, which doesn't guarantee they will do good with us too.". I'm just returning the favor, because if you want to said it is two way road, the chances to success or flop are the same. Logically speaking.

Funny you said Sturridge and Coutinho, were they not a mediocre players when they joined us, or can't even get a place in their previous club?

Being established in Europe doesn't necessarily up their chances being successful; Sheva, Torres etc.

Marquee signing does not guarantee they will success but will have higher chance to success. This is because marquee signing usually had been proven to have the necessary ability to be a top player. All they need is to be able to adapt to our system.

Whereas non-marquee signing had not proven that they have the ability to to be top player but they have the potential to be top player. However, will they reach their potential to be a top player remain a big question. They also need to adapt to our system in order to be success.

So, you can lay out your logic 1 out of 100 and such and such, but when other people made an 'assumption' on the same basis, they gets Do you even know what the hell you are talking about? Baffling. Way to go on trying to discus things.

Still waiting for your marquee signing, be as realistic as possible. And what kind of transfer fee will he command? Can you kindly share with us all what you have in mind?
Sorry I think you do not understand what does it mean by marquee signing. Marquee signing mean "Being an athlete of exceptional skill and popularity"

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/marquee

Buying expensive player doesn't make the player a marquee signing if his ability is not up to standard.

It is right now, is it not? Don't you remember how the staff and the club sold us Carroll by saying he is great talent, old school CF and such, the way media goes make we think we get someone with ability that should command huge fee, but is he really up for scratch? Marquee and expensive nowadays are related to each other. It is the way of transfer market today. You can't get athlete of exceptional skill and especially popular players if you don't pay top money. Do you not agree with me there?

Carroll was never a marquee signing. He is not a proven striker and not even popular across Euro. During Newcastle time he did well in Championship which is a much lower league compare to BPL and 6 month in BPL but this does not make him a proven striker. A proven player need to consistently did well at least 2 or more season.

Again I want to highlight buying expensive signing does not make a player to be come a marquee signing. If we spend 100M on Lambert does not make him to be better than Suarez. Paying 300K per week to Mr. Shrek does not make him better than Suarez.



Currently we had spend = 89M
Signing of Moreno (base on report) = 20M
Total transfer spend = 89M + 20M =  109M.

Our starting transfer budget = 60M
Sales of Suarez = 75M
Total available transfer budget = 135M.

Let not forget that Borini (14M), Assaidi (7M), Lucas (10M) and Agger (5M) is likely to be sold and i believe we could at least get around 36M from the sales for those 4 player

Total transfer budget after selling fridge player and buying player = 135M + 36M - 109M = 62M
With balance 62M we can still manage to get 1 more marque signing for our striker/winger

The players are still with us, if we are doing business on the basis of 'if the players get sold', we would be down to negative really quick.

But okay, lets entertain that idea (because we already put Moreno in equation), so now we are 2 Striker down (Luis Suarez + Borini), 1 Winger down (Assaidi), 1 DM down (Lucas) and 1 CB down (Agger), where is the depth now? Right now which one is better, marquee or depth, easily depth for me.

Lol. How do you define depth? How much depth do you want?

Striker:
1. Studridge
2. Lambert
3. Borini (Possible leaving)
*If we get a marquee signing to replace Borini we will still have 3 striker and is this not enough depth? Do not forget that occasionally we will play with 4-3-3 formation with 1 striker only. Do you want us to have 4 or 5 striker but with 1 or 2 Striker sitting on the bench the whole season without getting a game?

Winger:
1. Sterling
2. Lallana
3. Markovic
4. Countiho
5. Suso
6. Assaidi (Possible leaving)
* We have 6 player who can play as winger and do you think if we do not sell Assaidi do you think he will get a chance to start more than 5 games in next season? Let not forget we have youngster like Ibe who is waiting for a chance to be in starting 11 next season. Is Assaidi needed for our depth?

Midfield:
1. Gerrard
2. Henderson
3. Can
4. Allen
5. Lallana
6. Lucas (Possible leaving)
* Again do we really need Lucas? let not forget we will play with 4-4-2 (diamond) formation where the winger like Sterling, Markovic, Countiho and Suso will move to midfield

Centreback:
1. Skrtel
2. Sakho
3. Lovren
4. Agger (Possible leaving)
5. Toure
6. Coates
7. Kelly
8. Ilori (Possible loan)
* Seriously do we have lack of depth in CB position or over-depth? We have 8 CB with only 2 starting position. Even if Agger is sold and Ilori is loan out we still have 6 player fighting for 2 starting position

Again I want to ask how much depth do you want? If every position had 2 player fighting to for the position is it not enough?

If we go down that marquee road, let's say we get Reus for 40M (because that is the quote price). People tend to forget with big name signing, there will comes along big transfer fee and also big wages. Last time we got player in that ilk he earned 200k/week with us, I would tempt to start the equation on 150k/week for Reus but again certain Glen Johnson are leeching the club for 110k/week. So let settle for 170k/week. 170k/week on regular contract length (4 years). So, Reus will cost us £40M + £32M = £72M. Hardly money for another signing which we need to address our depth. You can argue the wages money can comes from Borini, Assaidi, Lucas and Agger wages, but do we still have money for transfer fee on another player?
Marquee signing does not guarantee they will success but will have higher chance to success. This is because marquee signing usually had been proven to have the necessary ability to be a top player. All they need is to be able to adapt to our system.

Have you forgotten than Suarez who earn 200k per week have left us? So 200k - 170k per week, we had save 30k per week and total of 1.5M per year. Let not forget this season we are participating Champion League and the money we will get from Champion League broadcasting which expected to be around 40M if we knock out of group stage and 60M if we reach final.

Whereas non-marquee signing had not proven that they have the ability to to be top player but they have the potential to be top player. However, will they reach their potential to be a top player remain a big question. They also need to adapt to our system in order to be success.

This windows, BR don't go for player that 'able to adapt' to our system, he said many times that he buy players that 'suit' to our system, that's a different.

I'm not sure on higher chances to success, if any they are the same because of some variable factor are the same to marquee or non-marquee new league, new team mate, language, weather, homesick etc etc.

There is plenty big name player available if we ready to blown the money, but we don't, because we are not buying for the sake of buying.

If the money are the same amount, do you want to take chances with 1 player only or 2,3 player?
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People tend to forget, Liverpool don't buy big name players, we are the one that makes them. And we are so good at it.

The change of success is not the same. Non-marquee signing had more variable
a) Marquee signing - new league, new team mate, language, weather, homesick etc etc.
b) Non-marquee signing - new league, new team mate, language, weather, homesick, POTENTIAL etc etc.

If you think is the same why do we bother to sign Moreno, Markovic, Can and not go for Championship or division 1 or 2 or lower player or even sign Malaysian Player .

You forget that Suarez, Torres was well known across Euro before they come to Liverpool and are consider as a marquee signing.

If you have 1M will you go and buy 1 BMW or will you buy 10 MyV when you can only drive 1 car. If you have 62M will you buy 1 top class player or will you buy 5 decent player when there is only 1 player will be able to be your starting 11.

Get Ronaldinho. Marquee signing konfirm. Free also.

If you could do that, can you fly now and ask BR to sigh Reus, Shaqiri, or even Benzema? 

If we are so good at it why is it that we have yet to lift the PL title?

There has to be a balance between buying potential and success. Buy a player to develop him over 3 years then sell him on without winning anything significant because said player can no longer wait. Reinvest money in multiple targets with potential hoping to strike another jackpot to maybe get 1 out of 10 signings right. Rinse and repeat until you are no longer an attractive name in the business.

Well, the real reason Arsenal fail to keep all of these players was simply because of financial reason (obviously due to the construction of Emirates stadium).
I don't know why people, including some of our very own fans, tend to ignore this fact.
We need at least 20m a year just for the loan re-payment. Not to say about interest etc.. Plus the emergence of Chelsea and City with their unlimited money just made things worse for us.
Like it or not, Wenger did wonder in keeping us in CL all these years with, fairly to say, an average squad.

About nurturing young/unknown players, I won't say the formula is not working. But I would say it didn't go the way we wanted.
Had we able to keep all those players together (the likes of Nasri, Adebayor etc), I believe we wouldn't go trophyless that long (it was actually 9 year ).

Plus, how Arsenal are suddenly capable to splash the cash in making such big signings now is not a coincidence.
Club always said there will be 10 'buffer' year after the Emirates project before we can compete again, and the time has arrive.
I heard Liverpool also planning to build a new stadium. So, you guys can expect the same outcome, unless you can produce a very good core of players right now or maybe get the money to fully funded the project from somewhere.

Peace!

Well, the formula is not intended to win trophy for the club, its more like generating income for the club. So its pretty success if we look it from business view.
Oh and from their countless former star, if i am not mistaken, almost all of them won something after leave right?

Man utd are taking this competition seriously by fielding full strenght squad, while we are just giving our fringe and youth player some game time before the season start 

Should be evenly matched this final