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English Clubs Manchester United Street Talks, Thank you for everything, Patrice Evra!

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post Jun 28 2014, 06:51 PM

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Moyes and last season, the less said, the better. One fail after another. From appointing Moyes, the failed transfer pursuits, over paying for Fellaini when we could have gotten him a bit cheaper a few weeks before we pulled the trigger, to the total collapse on the field and missing out on the CL.

Sacking him was a relief and came at a good time since it meant we can identify a new manager and prepare for next season early. Glad Woody learnt his lessons from last season this time in the transfer market. Show the list to LVG and get the ok from him, and just go and do the business. A far cry from last season. Chasing Baines and Cesc until its too late to get the players next on the list in their respective positions.

Shaw, expensive. We probably overpaid to get him here. But we tend to favour these British/Irish talents and prepare to break the bank if we feel they're special. Shaw at 18 already a regular for 2 seasons in EPL. So no surprise we go for him even though there's as good if not better LB's out there that we can buy instead. Defensively very good.

Herrera should have happened last season. Dithering Dave needed more time to scout him that time.

Excited to see what LVG can do with the team. There's still a lot of talent in the squad despite our poor showing last season. And with Shaw, Herrera and a few other new faces, we'll be in the mix again for sure. Hope one of them would be a very good winger with dribbling ability and pace. It's a must for me. If not we'll not do much going forward since Valencia, Young and Nani have regressed badly and we can't rely on them anymore. Time to get rid a few of them, along with the deadwoods in the squad.
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post Jun 29 2014, 08:01 AM

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QUOTE(projectnew @ Jun 28 2014, 10:25 PM)
who would wants to play for moyes?? apart from fellaini..
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Even Fellaini oso lembik playing under him. Lulz.

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post Jul 3 2014, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(limjenson @ Jul 3 2014, 10:55 AM)
Mu nowadays no patience to groom young players. Rather pay money to buy adi.
Otherwise players like Nick Powell, Michael Keane, Jessi Lingard would be given a chance. Instead we are looking at Indi, De Vrij, Sanchez, Vidal.
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We will always give youngsters a chance. If they show enough, they'll get more opportunities. That will never change. The reason we are buying instead of promoting because we really need to plug the holes in the first team especially after the disaster last season.

LB with Evra past his best already. CM needed to add a couple for a while now. We brought in Fellaini, but he's not up to the standard and Carrick our best CM had a poor season as well last season and he's over 30 now. Cleverley have regressed, and Fletcher after his illness should only be regarded as a backup. After losing Rio and Vida at CB, woth Evans, Jones and Smalling still young, we need a CB with more experience to fight for the two spots.

According to the journos we're looking to add another CM and a CB. I hope we're looking at another winger/attacker as well. Our wings are dog shit.


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post Jul 3 2014, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(andrewtho @ Jul 3 2014, 11:01 AM)
Yup, my thoughts exactly.

Maybe when LVG comes in it will be different. I like how SAF grooms players, in the case of Giggs, Scholes, Beckham and Ronaldo etc  brows.gif

Now money is everything.
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You need to have the talent as well to make it to the top. Pogba was one that sadly got away.

We would'nt need to scramble to get CMs in for the last two seasons had he stayed. Partly our own fault for not giving him plenty more games to stroke his ego at the time but IMO once that Raiola got involved it was game over for us. The Blackburn game was just icing on the cake.
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post Jul 3 2014, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(lawsh @ Jul 3 2014, 10:47 AM)
as in we must trigger the transfer clause?

*hint* william carvalho

if so then i think it is VERY POOR foresight on our part doh.gif
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We can't sign every good talent out there. Another thing is would the player develop if we got him playing bit part roles instead of him playing regularly with someone else. But I agree, we need to do more of these kind of deals. Sign up these promising young players early to avoid having to break the bank later on.
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post Jul 3 2014, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(sinoffire @ Jul 3 2014, 11:40 AM)
mana la tau nnt pak muda jadi lejen lepas LvG masok, bule lah jimat sket duit transfer tuh.  laugh.gif

we're currently

GK: mai ddg  wub.gif enuf lar..the rest can warm the bench lar.  tongue.gif
fullbacks: need another right back to compete with rafael and another for shaw aftr evra leaves nx season. how come no one kacau ben davies from swansea??  hmm.gif  spurs is hot on his heel now. NO jones/smalling in here pls.
centre backs: need a solid centre backs to guide the other 3 ie. jones, smalling, evans.
midfield: helela saja. carrick is 33yo this July. time for replacement. fletch is as good as backup ala scholesy . afro? will see his fate aftr WC. so we need 2 more.
wingers:  doh.gif  doh.gif
strikers: well stocked. can we sell luni??  sweat.gif
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Bgtau Tony Fernandez he can have Young for free. Gaji tak cukup nk offer, kita topup sikit. 5 penalties minimum boleh dapat kalu play regularly.
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post Jul 3 2014, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(andrewtho @ Jul 3 2014, 11:47 AM)
Pogba is talented but his ego is as high as Zlatan Ibrahimovic. Could be good could be bad. SAF never liked players with egos, he said himself @ his autobiography. Pogba is talented but he is not irreplaceable, no one is bigger than the club  laugh.gif

As for youths, we are lacking in the CM department, but for other departments we have quite a decent crop. I hope LVG gives them a chance to play, let them gain confidence and develop well. Even the GK Sam Johnstone looks promising. We need another winger, at least either left or right. As you said, our wingers are shit.  sweat.gif
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Hope we get to see more of Wilson.

Sanchez is avaiable. But according to the rumours he's not interested because we can't offer CL football.

Kesian the Pool supporters. They defend Suarez to the hilt, but he's still moving away. But on the plus side, with the money, they could upgrade the rest of the squad.
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post Jul 3 2014, 01:51 PM

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Who was Vida before he came to the club? Giggsy and Scholes came through the youth ranks. It's not like they are regulars anyways for the past 3 seasons.

Signing the likes of Herrera and Shaw are good. They're not yet great, but could one day become one. It's not easy anyways to convince world class players considering the damage Moyes left us with, no CL football. So we have to make do with what we can get.
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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Jul 3 2014, 12:41 PM)
Hmm. Some thoughts.

Pogba, strikes me as a mercenary and an egoistic person. He'll kick up a fuss and demand to move every time he has a good season. SAF was right. It is disappointing to lose such a brilliant talent, but he is not irreplaceable and he would be toxic in our team.

IINM, the reason United spent a lot of money buying young players was because we no longer had young players coming up the ranks who were good enough. The reason that happened was because of the 90 min rule. With the 90 min rule now gone, I hope we can start bringing in top talent locally. Of course, buying youngsters should continue whenever one is scouted. But we no longer depend on those type of 16/17/18 year old purchases. Hopefully we will see the benefits of this in the coming years.

The reason why we're are talking about buying players and not promoting players, is because we are talking about plugging gaps in the spine of the team. The spine should always be reserved for top class players who are already mature. None of the youngsters currently have shown they are able to slot into the first team and hit the ground running. The closest is Januzaj and even he faded as other teams stopped underestimating him and learnt to deal with him.

I really hope we get at least another mature CB. Anything more is a bonus for me.

It would be great to be able to buy not just players for the spine, but also players for the squad. All in one season. But I guess that's a fantasy, because the club don't have that much money and we'd get in trouble with the FFP rules. Besides, I think it'd be great to bring in youngsters as squad players whenever possible.
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Yup. Pogba's attitude is questionable. Can't help having that vulture agent of his. Juventus must be sick having to deal with the rumours of him leaving every season and he's only been there for two seasons. But I doubt they care. They'll make tons of money when the time comes.

We have already spent 60m. To fix every spot might just be a bit too much to do this season. But we do need to add a bit of pace and fear into the attack ala what Robben does. With LVG, I'm prepared to wait for that to come. Far more confident in him to use the squad better. Can't wait for pre season to come and see what he has in store for us.
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post Jul 3 2014, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(bansai @ Jul 3 2014, 05:40 PM)
Vidic won numerous accolades before joining united and was proven with multiple exemplary seasons with his clubs and even became the most expensive defender in russia before joining united, he was even serbian player of the year before joining united. Just because he wasn't hyped by english press, doesn't mean that he wasn't world class.

Class of 92 was supported by the old guards, they came through the youth ranks and slowly replaced them, just like how januzaj might be able to. And they were mostly all free and on youth salary, not on world class players salary that we are offering to shaw and herrera now.

Signing young prospects are always good, but paying world class prices for prospects is not. Can tempt players with higher wages to compensate for lack of champions league for one season. Even chelsea pulled out from signing shaw because of his price, even though he would prefer to sign for them.
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Don't get me wrong. He was very good but if he was world class, there would be a lot more suitors for him and Spartak Moscow would demand more than the 7m they got. What a bargain that turned out to be along with Evra(5m) and VDS(1m). That time Roman came into the picture and stole most of our targets, so we had to change plans and it turned out all right.

Relax. We have only bought one kid in Shaw, who's been one of the top LBs in the league for the past two seasons and he's only 18. And he'll get paid accordingly. Let's leave that sort of things to the moneyman at United. I rather we overpay a little than missed out completely to get the targets that we want. And we clearly want him. Not the first English man we break the bank for if we felt they're worth it to us. Sure there are cheaper LBs out there, but it's in our policy(being an English club and all) to sign one if we felt that he's special enough to break the bank for. As for his preference, read 'rumours' somewhere that he prefers us. Take it with a pinch of salt.

As for the price can't really judge Shaw. 27m rising to 29m, minus English and United tax, you would see the going rate for similar talents. It's 2014, prices are crazy. We paid that much for the useless Afro last season. Damn you Moyes.

I see the signing of Herrera(25 next month) as something like the Carrick, Evra, Vida transfers, and plenty more we have made in SAF's time. Good/very good players around 23-25 years old, ready to come straight away into the team and make the step up(good to very good, great and beyond). And I'm sure the next CM will be on similar levels if not more if the rumours are true(along with one experienced CB). Just have to wait and see.


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post Jul 7 2014, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(zerlex @ Jul 7 2014, 12:02 PM)
That is why alot of ppl questioning SAF's decision to let PogPog go.. i think PogPog kinda arrogant for his age, tho he's good.
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SAF wanted to keep him. Pogba yang tak nak.
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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Jul 8 2014, 12:21 PM)
Maybe I guess, but that begs the question. What do we do about the defence in the meantime? Well, I guess only time will tell.
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Put trust into Evans and one of Jones/Smalling to be his regular partner(eventually, potential is there). Get Vermaelan to fight for place in the mean time. Question is, will their body hold up? All injury prone.
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After spending 60m already(on top of 60m+ spent last season) this season, I doubt we gonna spend much on another CB and CM. But who knows. The Chevy deal just started right and we earn a lot from that, along with the increase in TV revenues.
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post Jul 21 2014, 10:34 AM

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Bold claims from Ed Woodward there. Surely he has stuff lined up to make such claims. There were rumours last season that we matched Real's bid for Bale. Exciting times ahead.

Chica, lovely player and a very good finisher. But he won't displace Rooney/RVP any time soon. When the time comes that one/both of them left, we would go shopping for strikers on the same level as them. He would want to play regularly at the age he is now. Can't see him getting that with us sadly.
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QUOTE(lawsh @ Jul 21 2014, 11:11 AM)
if kayu hadn't told everyone about the blank cheques it was still possible to get good alternatives at acceptable prices
since the good players will most likely trigger bidding wars

actually there were some good players who signed for other clubs at a good rate doh.gif
LvG already started wielding his balls liao brows.gif

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He's won me over in the past month or so. Shaw and Herrera in the bag after getting Juan Mata last January, he deserves a bit of praise. Waiting patiently for one spicy midfield general. Hope I don't jinx the deal!
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Vermaelan. Cover for CB and LB. Last2, Shaw and the reserves defenders yang kita field in first 11.

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