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post Aug 12 2006, 12:10 PM, updated 20y ago

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Anyone there from SPL switch to SQ?

How's the changing stage?

I feel weird weird on RnB, Hip-Hop songs..which the base we like reduce alot.

Trying to get into the SQ world. Any advise?

My current ICE can see on signature, thinking to take off 2 amp n crossover, replace with Audison 6ch amp. Is that a wise choice?

Does my woofer good for SQ setting? Currently using vented, told the installer build me seal box d...still make vented..what la...
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post Aug 14 2006, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(driftmeister @ Aug 12 2006, 06:18 PM)
1 question:
ur front comp is 3 ways ?

if budget permits
change ur 4ch prokick amp
ditch ur rear comps (or change it to power up by HU)
get an active crossover with bandpass (run actively)
change to sealed ( budget style: cover up ur vent)
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Yes my Front comp is 3 ways.
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Reason on changing amp?
I have a sealed box ready, it was using for SPL setting previously. It occupy my whole boot, can't even reach spare tire. The box won't fix now. By just cover up the vent will the measurement correct? As I know seal box n vent box meassurement are different.


QUOTE(scotty @ Aug 13 2006, 01:43 PM)
just tune your front comp to be more forward.as for the back comp, tune it down. the back comp is to help the front end. as for the sub. tune it down. say around 100hz. if u got multiple subs. just try use 1 biggrin.gif
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The current tuning is major on front, rear comp tune very low. I just using single sub, would try the 100hz setting.
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post Aug 18 2006, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(driftmeister @ Aug 14 2006, 03:31 PM)
reason to change the 4ch prokick - simple.
prokick doesn't give good SQ
high distortion, signal ratio is low, "dirty" sounded

as for sealed box..normally sealed box is smaller...
vented one are normally 1.5cu^ft above

as i said...ditch the rear comp
or make it power up by HU...in SQ setup...
rear comps are just for the ambience
not the sound

and normally the sub are tune low
lower than 100hz depends on the sub's capability
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QUOTE(loon1031 @ Aug 14 2006, 05:43 PM)
Agree with driftmeister, SPL amp no matter how you tune it... The sound hard to be clean & clear...
SQ sound is clean & clear, you can hear the vocal & musical clearly.
If not why prokick amp so cheap le...?!

If the rear speaker still same loud as or more loud front speaker, it maybe become noise at front. So disable it or direct connect to HU or use lower the rear spekear volume.
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QUOTE(Amedion @ Aug 17 2006, 07:06 PM)
Prokick amp famous of delivering big amount of power ( tarak clean ).. good for SPL.. strictly not for Sq.. changing amp might get u closer to SQ world.. laugh.gif
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sweat.gif Seem like whole ICE is changing...
No pain no gain, SQ world here I coming in~
This weekend gonna ditch the rear comp, re-tune everything.
Still can't get my cash note dry, unsure.gif when can I get new amp.

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post Aug 18 2006, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(Amedion @ Aug 18 2006, 02:10 PM)
Do let me know if u wanna sell off ur amp or woofer.. laugh.gif
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Gee, I live in Penang island leh. Sure I gonna sell them, 1 of my fren is booking on it, until his new car arrive like 2 more month. Well if he change his mind later sure I'll open in forum.

QUOTE(Lemon @ Aug 18 2006, 04:27 PM)
mind to elaborate more about the 'tarak clean' thingy? even the SQ series Prokick with burr Brown chip also tarak clean?
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Ya, please elaborate more so me this noob can learn. tongue.gif


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post Aug 22 2006, 05:35 PM

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*sob* Got fool at the first place.

So izzit a wise choice to invest Audison amp for SQ? Since I have Hertz comp set.
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post Aug 24 2006, 10:37 AM

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sweat.gif lets put budget to below RM 4k.


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post Aug 24 2006, 05:31 PM

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Other than using a device to test out the graphical chart. I find is a debatable topic for clean and dirty. Well, everyone have own defination of clean and dirty. Is a individual hearing isn't it?

So maybe can more explain on it, or compare them?
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post Aug 26 2006, 10:15 AM

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Hrmm...with the same range of amp, is about the same, but if the combine with diff component set, I can tell the different.

Different betweer SQ and SPL are not just on the sub-bass pressure level.

I still tent to combine those 2 but it won't work. sad.gif
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post Aug 26 2006, 12:12 PM

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This is what I do. Fine tune the sound of front comp set to more SQ clearity. Well, to me still ok, can diff vocal and back ground music. And myself don't like high trible sound. Sub-Woofer, tune up to 55dB with seal box. Can imagine how's the output?
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post Aug 30 2006, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(Fusion @ Aug 30 2006, 12:07 AM)
i think u made a big mistake by going for a 3way system with your current setup .....u should have gone for 2 way .....
in a car environment in order to get a good 3 way u need a lot of EQ adjustment for your mid as a mid require an enclosure and most of the time d installation of mid in car couldnt give u d enclosure u need .....most of the time, its highly recommended that to play 3way in full active system ....

i think the easier way is to ditch your back speaker ....then change to a good HU ....if u wan to go for SQ the u should go for a pioneer 8650,9650 or p80r (if u still wanan stick to pioneer lar).....use the active crossover in these players n play semi active with your passive crossover.....the EQ in these players should be enough to control your system ....try these first before u change your amp .....your system sound very bad now is cos of a wrong setup for SQ .....i have heard of a Prokick setup that sound quite good.....a good HU with a very well balance setup could make an amp shine even if the amp is lousy .....
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Hmm..I duwan 3 way system but my installer recommend me inorder for the staging to come up. (I guess that guys wanna save job) Now, mid at door, vocal n tweeter on top of dashboard. shocking.gif When I look at it, is like I also can be installer liao..whole vocal speaker put on dashboard, no need tune also get staging d, am I rite?

I really noob in technical, how I determine active crossover and semi active? Or any website reference I can go read.

Ok decided change HU before amp. rclxm9.gif

Edit: So the 3 way position ok?

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post Aug 30 2006, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(Fusion @ Aug 30 2006, 01:13 AM)
yupe.....d 8650 n 9650 can only go down to 1.6k but u could try using d the mid and midbass together .....u can use the passive internal crosspoint for the mid and midbass and use the tweeter as the active......but this way your mid and midbass have to quite close together ....it good for mid which is at kick panel ........the lowpass filter for the mid bass range from 1.6k to 16k....
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Gee, abit too technical for me to understand.

I know HU pre-out is important. Need 3 RCA output to get better tuning, am I right?
Does output Voltage on HU important too? My installer told me my HU Voltage insufficient (currently 2V). I found that pioneer 9650 n 8650 both out 6.5V and Alpine mostly all 4V. I personaly like pioneer, as it not so choosy on CD.


QUOTE(driftmeister @ Aug 30 2006, 02:00 PM)
3 way is even more complicated in terms of angling, tuning
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Been having problem on positioning my speaker. sad.gif Even till now I can't get my bass to front.

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post Sep 7 2006, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(Fusion @ Aug 30 2006, 09:39 PM)
yupe ....like they say ...3 way is d hardest to setup ....semi active is when d player can support only 2 way system ....

in a 3 way speaker ....it consist of
2 tweeter
2 mid (the smaller speaker)
2 midbass

example .....for a HU that support 2 way active system ...there will be 3 pair of output from the HU .....1 pair is for d tweeter , 1 pair is for the midbass and 1 pair is for d subwoofer.....there is 2 different ways of playing semi active ......

first one is to use the tweeter output to drive the tweeter and the mid in this way u can control the high pass of the mid .....the crossover point of the mid and the tweeter will be determine by the original crossover......then the midbass will be controled from the midbass out from your HU

the second way is to use the midbass output to drive the mid and the midbass together ....this way the tweeter will be fully active.......

if u wanan run 3way full active then u have to either change your HU to a better HU or get a processor such as d Alpine 700,701 or the 900.....
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QUOTE(craziechild @ Aug 30 2006, 10:34 PM)
there is e xover like Trutech F2 tht has 2 channle of bandpass which you can use for 3way setup...

as for processor... the 900 is not really a choice as it only can be used with the DVI-9990... other than tht its pretty much a useless thing...

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Gee.. rclxub.gif I can't get it right.

For my ICE, my HU only have 1 RCA pre-out. Which goes in Active crossover, then to amps. Should be this way right?

In order to full active, what should I do or device to get? What option I have?

Getting a processor can it split out more RCA output? HU -> processor -> Active crossover, this way?

cry.gif Really burning up my time on recall the knowledge.
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post Sep 7 2006, 06:08 PM

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Currently I have 2 amps, 2ch n 4ch. 2 ch use for Sub. 4ch using for front n rear. Anytime I can ditch rear speaker, doesn't matter to me.

So to get Full active 3 way I lack of RCA preout right?
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post Sep 8 2006, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(driftmeister @ Sep 7 2006, 08:57 PM)
3 way external crossover ?

the only crossover that can go 3 way that i can recall is TRU F2
but this is real rare species

but u can forget bout preout cos u HU->Crossover only need 1 pair of RCA

but u're using 1 x 2ch and 1 x4ch
u can only go front 2 way
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So conclude that is Active crossover unable to support. 2way to front, then would it be a waste to have a 3 way comp set?

QUOTE(howiechoo @ Sep 7 2006, 09:02 PM)
or u mean 3 way comp set?
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Yes howiechoo.


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post Sep 9 2006, 10:34 AM

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GRexer,
4-way front stage? I don't get it. Eventualy I feel is getting more complicated. The crossover support 5-way out mean can go to more channel rite?
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post Sep 9 2006, 12:13 PM

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Gee, I'll prefer simple method. As for myself not good in tuning, can say I don't even know about tuning. I just duwan to waste the 3way comp set, as newly installed.

 

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