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post May 7 2015, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(and85rew @ Jun 1 2014, 10:39 PM)
the irony when original bugis/jawa did not claim themselves as malay....
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For political reasons. Indonesians have their own term for Bumiputera/Malay.
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post May 7 2015, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(differ @ May 7 2015, 10:09 AM)
Bugis ppl don't consider themselves Malays, but strangely enough all Malays insist on considering Bugis as part of the Malay race.
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QUOTE(Varezart @ May 7 2015, 10:10 AM)
Only Malay in Malaysia that consider Bugis as Malay or Malay in Indonesia also consider Bugis as part of Malay race?
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International academics. Bugis like Perakian, Kelantanese, etc just a subgroup.

Unless you are talking about NEP/3M Malay. That is local.
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post May 7 2015, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(Varezart @ May 7 2015, 10:23 AM)
International? You sure? Is there such thing as sub ethnic in Indonesia? In Indonesia, Malay is also a sub ethnic like Javanese,Sundanese,Balinese and Minangkabau right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Indonesia

Or are you telling me Malay is a sub ethnic to Malay? Tak masuk akal ni.
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QUOTE(gm_18300 @ May 7 2015, 10:23 AM)
Only in Malaysia bugis is sub etnic..in realiti Kat Indonesia there is malay race...which differ from sunda,jawa,acheh,bugis,banjar,minang
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Malay in Indonesia refers to those from Semenanjung? I don't think they care if you are Perakian, Kelantanese, or Kedahan etc.
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post May 7 2015, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(Varezart @ May 7 2015, 10:28 AM)
No, I think they mean Malay in Indonesia. Or are you telling me Malay in Indonesia =/= Malay in Malaysia?

Is there such thing as sub ethnic group in Indonesia in the first place?
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Most likely different definitions.

Things can be classified. Just that different people might classify it differently.

Indonesians did believe in Pan-Malay (or whatever it is called) Nusantara. At least during pre-Merdeka and Konfrontasi era.
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post May 7 2015, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(Varezart @ May 7 2015, 11:01 AM)
What is this Pan Malay Nusantara? Is it a supra ethnic or sub ethnic?

I notice Malay can mean Malay race and Malay ethnic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malay

Wikipedia here correct or not?

Is this Pan-Malay a supra ethnic/large group similar concept to Polynesian group as mention by gm_18300.

Pan-Malay Nusantara,Malay race and Malay ethnic, these three things same concept or not?

Is it same like Italian, British, French and German subgroup of European race?

Malay race =  Malay sub ethnic, Bugis sub ethnic, Javanese sub ethnic, Balinese ethnic sub

European race =  Italian sub ethnic, British sub ethnic, French sub ethnic, German sub ethnic

Mongoloid race =  Han sub ethnic, Japanese sub ethnic, Korean sub ethnic, Mongolian sub ethnic, Manchu sub ethnic

Do I get it correct?
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I'm not sure I have been using race and ethnic correctly. Hmm...

Another definition (only for Malaysia) is Malay as defined in the constitution. Eg. Malays (as race or ethnic) can be Christians, Hindus, etc. but in Malaysia Malays (by law/in constitution) is a Muslim.

As for Brits... Please read the link.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1288231.stm

I think Malay is more like Han. Malay have Bugis, Jawanese, etc. while Han have Cantonese, Hokkien, etc.


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post May 7 2015, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(Varezart @ May 7 2015, 11:55 AM)
But Cantonese and Hokkien are not even ethnic/race concept you know. They are just language classification.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malay_race#Malaysian_context

Does this help us in understanding the Malay race and ethnic? Does  Boyanese, Achinese, Javanese, Bugis, Manilamen (Filipino) and Siamese got assimilated into Malay or what? Or are they under 'other Natives of Archipelago' category?
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Simple answer. Depends on how you define race/ehtnic. Can be political/cultural/genetic.

Cantonese Hokkien etc have different culture.
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post May 7 2015, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(jaymansion @ May 7 2015, 12:20 PM)
for 'malay'...they call anyone from malaysia and indonesia even bangla and arab as malay...

That's why they can't differentiate chinese malaysian with chinese prc Chinese hk and taiwan etc....

Inb4 mana indian again?
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Can call them stupid for calling the new migrant bumiputera.

But please don't say that Bugis in Selangor who are here pre-Merdeka, and come before us, are immigrants. Or Negeri Sembilan Minangkabaus for that matter.
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post May 7 2015, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(Varezart @ May 7 2015, 01:04 PM)
Cantonese and Hokkien have different culture? Really? Even in China, there's no Cantonese and Hokkien ethnicity you know.
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Malaysian Hokkien Cantonese, etc have different culture, call it slight difference if you want.

Most traditional folk culture in China are wiped out by communism. We are unique! Yay.
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post May 7 2015, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(grinders @ May 7 2015, 01:56 PM)
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Someone butthurt Malay start searching and proud of their heritage. They only want Malay in Malaysia to stuck their brain only in Malaysia and gain no real knowledge.

Singapore so jahat by dividing the malay and dont divide the chinese. Now i want to research why suddenly in penang got many import of prc chinese. In the past Singapore import many prc chinese to increase the chinese population in Singapore. Pap want to make sure their power aint losing.
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Now BN bringing in PRCs so that Gerakan can win? Lol another project IC.

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