QUOTE(and85rew @ Jun 1 2014, 10:39 PM)
For political reasons. Indonesians have their own term for Bumiputera/Malay.
Najib is Bugis or Malay?
Najib is Bugis or Malay?
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May 7 2015, 10:18 AM
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May 7 2015, 10:21 AM
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QUOTE(differ @ May 7 2015, 10:09 AM) Bugis ppl don't consider themselves Malays, but strangely enough all Malays insist on considering Bugis as part of the Malay race. QUOTE(Varezart @ May 7 2015, 10:10 AM) Only Malay in Malaysia that consider Bugis as Malay or Malay in Indonesia also consider Bugis as part of Malay race? International academics. Bugis like Perakian, Kelantanese, etc just a subgroup.Unless you are talking about NEP/3M Malay. That is local. |
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May 7 2015, 10:26 AM
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QUOTE(Varezart @ May 7 2015, 10:23 AM) International? You sure? Is there such thing as sub ethnic in Indonesia? In Indonesia, Malay is also a sub ethnic like Javanese,Sundanese,Balinese and Minangkabau right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Indonesia Or are you telling me Malay is a sub ethnic to Malay? Tak masuk akal ni. QUOTE(gm_18300 @ May 7 2015, 10:23 AM) Only in Malaysia bugis is sub etnic..in realiti Kat Indonesia there is malay race...which differ from sunda,jawa,acheh,bugis,banjar,minang Malay in Indonesia refers to those from Semenanjung? I don't think they care if you are Perakian, Kelantanese, or Kedahan etc. |
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May 7 2015, 10:50 AM
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QUOTE(Varezart @ May 7 2015, 10:28 AM) No, I think they mean Malay in Indonesia. Or are you telling me Malay in Indonesia =/= Malay in Malaysia? Most likely different definitions.Is there such thing as sub ethnic group in Indonesia in the first place? Things can be classified. Just that different people might classify it differently. Indonesians did believe in Pan-Malay (or whatever it is called) Nusantara. At least during pre-Merdeka and Konfrontasi era. |
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May 7 2015, 11:52 AM
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QUOTE(Varezart @ May 7 2015, 11:01 AM) What is this Pan Malay Nusantara? Is it a supra ethnic or sub ethnic? I'm not sure I have been using race and ethnic correctly. Hmm...I notice Malay can mean Malay race and Malay ethnic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malay Wikipedia here correct or not? Is this Pan-Malay a supra ethnic/large group similar concept to Polynesian group as mention by gm_18300. Pan-Malay Nusantara,Malay race and Malay ethnic, these three things same concept or not? Is it same like Italian, British, French and German subgroup of European race? Malay race = Malay sub ethnic, Bugis sub ethnic, Javanese sub ethnic, Balinese ethnic sub European race = Italian sub ethnic, British sub ethnic, French sub ethnic, German sub ethnic Mongoloid race = Han sub ethnic, Japanese sub ethnic, Korean sub ethnic, Mongolian sub ethnic, Manchu sub ethnic Do I get it correct? Another definition (only for Malaysia) is Malay as defined in the constitution. Eg. Malays (as race or ethnic) can be Christians, Hindus, etc. but in Malaysia Malays (by law/in constitution) is a Muslim. As for Brits... Please read the link. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1288231.stm I think Malay is more like Han. Malay have Bugis, Jawanese, etc. while Han have Cantonese, Hokkien, etc. |
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May 7 2015, 01:01 PM
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QUOTE(Varezart @ May 7 2015, 11:55 AM) But Cantonese and Hokkien are not even ethnic/race concept you know. They are just language classification. Simple answer. Depends on how you define race/ehtnic. Can be political/cultural/genetic.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malay_race#Malaysian_context Does this help us in understanding the Malay race and ethnic? Does Boyanese, Achinese, Javanese, Bugis, Manilamen (Filipino) and Siamese got assimilated into Malay or what? Or are they under 'other Natives of Archipelago' category? Cantonese Hokkien etc have different culture. |
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May 7 2015, 01:09 PM
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QUOTE(jaymansion @ May 7 2015, 12:20 PM) for 'malay'...they call anyone from malaysia and indonesia even bangla and arab as malay... Can call them stupid for calling the new migrant bumiputera.That's why they can't differentiate chinese malaysian with chinese prc Chinese hk and taiwan etc.... Inb4 mana indian again? But please don't say that Bugis in Selangor who are here pre-Merdeka, and come before us, are immigrants. Or Negeri Sembilan Minangkabaus for that matter. |
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May 7 2015, 01:13 PM
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QUOTE(Varezart @ May 7 2015, 01:04 PM) Cantonese and Hokkien have different culture? Really? Even in China, there's no Cantonese and Hokkien ethnicity you know. Malaysian Hokkien Cantonese, etc have different culture, call it slight difference if you want.Most traditional folk culture in China are wiped out by communism. We are unique! Yay. |
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May 7 2015, 02:35 PM
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QUOTE(grinders @ May 7 2015, 01:56 PM) ![]() Someone butthurt Malay start searching and proud of their heritage. They only want Malay in Malaysia to stuck their brain only in Malaysia and gain no real knowledge. Singapore so jahat by dividing the malay and dont divide the chinese. Now i want to research why suddenly in penang got many import of prc chinese. In the past Singapore import many prc chinese to increase the chinese population in Singapore. Pap want to make sure their power aint losing. |
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