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post May 23 2014, 07:28 PM, updated 12y ago

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when stop in front of traffic light, put in "P" may damage your whole gearbox easier than putting in "N"

reason is there is an armature extended click into the gear when you put in "P", if there is a follower hit your car behind when you are at "P", gearbox will be damaged more serious and lead to expensive repairing.

is that true? hmm.gif
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post May 23 2014, 07:33 PM

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in some car
whn u pull handbreak it will auto go to "P"
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post May 23 2014, 07:34 PM

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post May 23 2014, 07:34 PM

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yes i think true. thats why they give you option to put 'n'
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post May 23 2014, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(junsheng @ May 23 2014, 07:33 PM)
in some car
whn u pull handbreak it will auto go to "P"
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which one, avoid to buy then

unless it has mechanism to avoid the damage to gearbox if got hit from behind
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post May 23 2014, 07:36 PM

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No need, just let it stay at D
Why need to shift to N or P?
The more you shift the more wear and tear
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post May 23 2014, 07:37 PM

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QUOTE(LingLingFat @ May 23 2014, 07:34 PM)
got gear knob for sale?
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but we have some other car accessories, you may check our summary page
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post May 23 2014, 07:37 PM

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gomen should haramkan "P"
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post May 23 2014, 07:37 PM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ May 23 2014, 07:36 PM)
No need, just let it stay at D
Why need to shift to N or P?
The more you shift the more wear and tear
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will that waste more oil?
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post May 23 2014, 07:37 PM

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if damage then
change car la.....

sked this sked that
jalan kaki la
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post May 23 2014, 07:39 PM

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QUOTE(duckaton @ May 23 2014, 07:37 PM)
if damage then
change car la.....

sked this sked that
jalan kaki la
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change gearbox is expensive

ya right, change gearbox sometime can buy a car(2nd hand)
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post May 23 2014, 07:40 PM

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I derive stick tiap kali benti mesti neutral punya kalau tak enjin mati mahh

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QUOTE(ectt @ May 23 2014, 07:28 PM)
when stop in front of traffic light, put in "P" may damage your whole gearbox easier than putting in "N"

reason is there is an armature extended click into the gear when you put in "P", if there is a follower hit your car behind when you are at "P", gearbox will be damaged more serious and lead to expensive repairing.

is that true? hmm.gif
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logically quite true.
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post May 23 2014, 07:41 PM

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P for parking
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QUOTE(ectt @ May 23 2014, 07:37 PM)
will that waste more oil?
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modern auto GB at D while stopping is almost like free gear. most modern GB comes with slip detection.
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post May 23 2014, 07:42 PM

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QUOTE(ectt @ May 23 2014, 07:28 PM)
when stop in front of traffic light, put in "P" may damage your whole gearbox easier than putting in "N"

reason is there is an armature extended click into the gear when you put in "P", if there is a follower hit your car behind when you are at "P", gearbox will be damaged more serious and lead to expensive repairing.

is that true? hmm.gif
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u know why? coz those ppl usually la uncle..aunty...teach all their children to put in P when not moving even on traffic light coz it save fuel....

i was like..seriously? even if on P your car engine is still running save wat....and constant shifting like that kill gear easily...they all juz brush me off saying i was wrong...lol
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post May 23 2014, 07:42 PM

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Why dafuk do people put in P during traffic lights? Put in N + handbrake enough la.
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post May 23 2014, 07:44 PM

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QUOTE(Shiniz @ May 23 2014, 07:42 PM)
u know why? coz those ppl usually la uncle..aunty...teach all their children to put in P when not moving even on traffic light coz it save fuel....

i was like..seriously? even if on P your car engine is still running save wat....and constant shifting like that kill gear easily...they all juz brush me off saying i was wrong...lol
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the master did remind that when learnt driving nod.gif
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post May 23 2014, 07:44 PM

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rempit no P just N
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post May 23 2014, 07:45 PM

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DSG7 user better put at N when at traffic lights if u want your mechatronic to last longer
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post May 23 2014, 07:45 PM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ May 23 2014, 07:36 PM)
No need, just let it stay at D
Why need to shift to N or P?
The more you shift the more wear and tear
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post May 23 2014, 07:46 PM

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QUOTE(even_steven @ May 23 2014, 07:46 PM)
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post May 23 2014, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(pisces88 @ May 23 2014, 07:34 PM)
yes i think true. thats why they give you option to put 'n'
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N- normally use in traffic light la, for awhile use
P- for parking use, locked your position

Only stupid people shift to P while waitinf for traffic light or encounter jam
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post May 23 2014, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(ectt @ May 23 2014, 07:35 PM)
which one, avoid to buy then

unless it has mechanism to avoid the damage to gearbox if got hit from behind
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i just asked my bratha, good car use, Electric Park Brake
so it does not apply
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post May 23 2014, 07:51 PM

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QUOTE(even_steven @ May 23 2014, 07:46 PM)
Real men drive manual...
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changed mind after the jam in KL
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post May 23 2014, 07:52 PM

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lol...at P at traffic light. Not sure which niga told u to do that
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post May 23 2014, 07:53 PM

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QUOTE(Powerbike @ May 23 2014, 07:48 PM)
N- normally use in traffic light la, for awhile use
P- for parking use, locked your position

Only stupid people shift to P while waitinf for traffic light or encounter jam
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You are wrong to: that is only applicable if your stop is too long.

"When stationary in traffic, even for many minutes, it is not necessary to move the gear lever into neutral because the torque converter absorbs the engine’s propulsion force but does not transmit it all to the gearbox. No wear is taking place. In fact, more wear will take place if you engage neutral then engage a drive gear when it is possible to move off. Most gearboxes will automatically select first gear when the vehicle becomes stationary."


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post May 23 2014, 07:54 PM

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QUOTE(Powerbike @ May 23 2014, 07:48 PM)
N- normally use in traffic light la, for awhile use
P- for parking use, locked your position

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sure boh?

P = Power
N = Normal
R = Reverse
D = Drifting
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post May 23 2014, 07:55 PM

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if I see traffic light turn green into red = I put N
if I see traffic light red a while already = I maintain D, so no point put N, 10 sec later put back D pulak.
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post May 23 2014, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(duckaton @ May 23 2014, 07:54 PM)
sure boh?

P = Power
N = Normal
R = Reverse
D = Drifting
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post May 23 2014, 08:00 PM

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i always facepalm when see the reverse light blink when at traffic light
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post May 23 2014, 08:01 PM

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Why need to put P at traffic?

Just N and break paddle la
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post May 23 2014, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(VanishS @ May 23 2014, 08:01 PM)
Why need to put P at traffic?

Just N and break paddle la
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whadehel is that?

whatever that is,
a broken paddle will have to be replaced, no?
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post May 23 2014, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(junsheng @ May 23 2014, 07:48 PM)
i just asked my bratha, good car use, Electric Park Brake
so it does not apply
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What car?

Merc ah?


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post May 23 2014, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(duckaton @ May 23 2014, 08:03 PM)
whadehel is that?

whatever that is,
a broken paddle will have to be replaced, no?
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Just lightly hold it la to prevent car from moving la, you think malaysian roads have 80 degrees inclination meh
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post May 23 2014, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(VanishS @ May 23 2014, 08:08 PM)
Just lightly hold it la to prevent car from moving la, you think malaysian roads have 80 degrees inclination meh
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i am impressed
ok go break your paddle
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post May 23 2014, 08:10 PM

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If in D, u may travel further in front and whack someone else if an ******* kiss your ass from behind.
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post May 23 2014, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(acbc @ May 23 2014, 08:10 PM)
If in D, u may travel further in front and whack someone else if an ******* kiss your ass from behind.
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Iinm stick to D when waiting for traffic lite or stop for long period will damage the gear box
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ May 23 2014, 07:42 PM)
Why dafuk do people put in P during traffic lights? Put in N + handbrake enough la.
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QUOTE(VanishS @ May 23 2014, 08:08 PM)
Just lightly hold it la to prevent car from moving la, you think malaysian roads have 80 degrees inclination meh
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QUOTE(duckaton @ May 23 2014, 08:10 PM)
i am impressed
ok go break your paddle
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laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

ROFL.

VanishS, is 'brake' not 'break'.
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i am actually wondering how many
/k has actually damaged their gearbox.

i am guessing none...DSGs don't count

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QUOTE(duckaton @ May 23 2014, 08:10 PM)
i am impressed
ok go break your paddle
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Sometimes people who pull handbrake too many times and hard will break that too right ?

Same logic la unless you say paddle break easily and more people usually step damn hard like killing a cockroach under the paddle :/
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QUOTE(VanishS @ May 23 2014, 08:26 PM)
Sometimes people who pull handbrake too many times and hard will break that too right ?

Same logic la unless you say paddle break easily and more people usually step damn hard like killing a cockroach under the paddle :/
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not sure you are serious or trolling
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QUOTE(duckaton @ May 23 2014, 08:28 PM)
not sure you are serious or trolling
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post May 23 2014, 08:42 PM

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logically it makes sense.

but i usually put in N n handbrake doh.gif
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QUOTE(duckaton @ May 23 2014, 07:54 PM)
sure boh?

P = Power
N = Normal
R = Reverse
D = Drifting
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My car, N = NOS mode
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QUOTE(FourZeroFour @ May 23 2014, 08:44 PM)
My car, N = NOS mode
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QUOTE(duckaton @ May 23 2014, 08:28 PM)
not sure you are serious or trolling
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You must write up some car driving articles in /k
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post May 23 2014, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(tinybee @ May 23 2014, 08:46 PM)
Budak baru dapat lesen diamla bodo
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Kau pahal tak puas hati?

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QUOTE(Boy96 @ May 23 2014, 08:48 PM)
Kau pahal tak puas hati?
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gua pun tak puas hati
baru tau lu budak mentah baru dapat lesen.

diamla!
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my car have no P, just numbers and one R... where can i find P?
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QUOTE(duckaton @ May 23 2014, 08:54 PM)
gua pun tak puas hati
baru tau lu budak mentah baru dapat lesen.

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P untuk parking la gile,,N same la mcm manual,neutral,,
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QUOTE(bereev @ May 23 2014, 08:50 PM)
hybrid car no need shift gear le
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nobody tokking about shifting gears here.

they tokking about put in D or N or R

tarak baca...
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P -> D -> P -> D is safer if you get rear ended, because lets say you're at a traffic light, you won't roll out into the middle of the intersection and get slammed on the side by a lorry.

Yes, there may be transmission damage if you get hit while in P, but that's what insurance and lawyers are there for. Sue the person who hit you kaw kaw.
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QUOTE(dothackRAVE @ May 23 2014, 08:57 PM)
P -> D -> P -> D is safer if you get rear ended, because lets say you're at a traffic light, you won't roll out into the middle of the intersection and get slammed on the side by a lorry.

Yes, there may be transmission damage if you get hit while in P, but that's what insurance and lawyers are there for. Sue the person who hit you kaw kaw.
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Why not just N + handbrake?
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ May 23 2014, 08:59 PM)
Why not just N + handbrake?
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That works too, but it's an additional step.

Also, you don't get a new transmission out of it. icon_idea.gif
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When you got kids in the Car....never put it in N....
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QUOTE(Shiniz @ May 23 2014, 07:42 PM)
u know why? coz those ppl usually la uncle..aunty...teach all their children to put in P when not moving even on traffic light coz it save fuel....

i was like..seriously? even if on P your car engine is still running save wat....and constant shifting like that kill gear easily...they all juz brush me off saying i was wrong...lol
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my thoughts exactly

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post May 23 2014, 09:10 PM

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N+handbrake if the light just turned red.
maintain in D if i am in an unfamiliar location..
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QUOTE(ectt @ May 23 2014, 07:37 PM)
will that waste more oil?
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I also leave gear at D when waiting at traffic light.

I notice that if I put in D, the tachometer rev is 200 rpm lower than when gear is at N or P.

lower rev = lower fuel consumption right?
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i no stop at traffic light. not a problem for me
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Just press brake la. Not long also.
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post May 23 2014, 09:32 PM

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Tekan brake hard once to engage handbrake.

Ohwai.....this is for new merc cars.
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post May 23 2014, 09:34 PM

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Why no one seems to know that in D position, the gear oil will cool the gearbox while in N does not? Assuming u already on the move and not just starting the car.

While saving fuel in D or N is debatable. The main senario is vibration. rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(ectt @ May 23 2014, 07:28 PM)
when stop in front of traffic light, put in "P" may damage your whole gearbox easier than putting in "N"

reason is there is an armature extended click into the gear when you put in "P", if there is a follower hit your car behind when you are at "P", gearbox will be damaged more serious and lead to expensive repairing.

is that true? hmm.gif
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That means someone ram my parked car then gg liao
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QUOTE(duckaton @ May 23 2014, 07:54 PM)
sure boh?

P = Power
N = Normal
R = Reverse
D = Drifting
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genius
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Someone needs to put up a poll and fine it out
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QUOTE(zcutiecutez @ May 23 2014, 09:29 PM)
i no stop at traffic light. not a problem for me
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QUOTE(ectt @ May 23 2014, 02:28 PM)
when stop in front of traffic light, put in "P" may damage your whole gearbox easier than putting in "N"

reason is there is an armature extended click into the gear when you put in "P", if there is a follower hit your car behind when you are at "P", gearbox will be damaged more serious and lead to expensive repairing.

is that true? hmm.gif
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this statement only true if you drive proton or ummmm VW? lelz
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QUOTE(ectt @ May 23 2014, 07:35 PM)
which one, avoid to buy then

unless it has mechanism to avoid the damage to gearbox if got hit from behind
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lol T S is poorfag
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You should put in R at traffic lights. Prepare for Race mode.
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some ppl put in P at traffic lights ... sudden green, move down one notch and pijak minyak ...

fark .... kena hit once like that last time and that idiot say its my fault for being too close to him
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QUOTE(junky_man @ May 23 2014, 09:32 PM)
Tekan brake hard once to engage handbrake.

Ohwai.....this is for new merc cars.
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No more foot brake? Isnt A class got Electric parking brakes?
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Leave it in D.

No wear and tear, compared to putting it in P or N.

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QUOTE(pisces88 @ May 23 2014, 07:34 PM)
yes i think true. thats why they give you option to put 'n'
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Dude, if there's no N, how are you going to push a car or tow it? The N is there for more than just parking doh.gif
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auto driver with their 'where should i engage my gear' dilemma
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Myth No. 5: It's best to shift an automatic transmission into Neutral at red lights. This myth stems from the idea that keeping the transmission in Drive while stepping on the brake wastes fuel and causes unnecessary wear on the driveline. In fact, actual engine wear and fuel loss are minimal.

Regularly shifting from Neutral and back into Drive when the light turns green, then immediately stepping on the gas, can wear — albeit slightly — on the transmission, driveline and engine mounts. Ultimately, these stoplight antics probably won't amount to any measurable harm or good; they're likely just a habit by folks who need to keep their hand busy with the gear selector. Our advice? Get a stick shift.



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QUOTE(ectt @ May 23 2014, 07:28 PM)
when stop in front of traffic light, put in "P" may damage your whole gearbox easier than putting in "N"

reason is there is an armature extended click into the gear when you put in "P", if there is a follower hit your car behind when you are at "P", gearbox will be damaged more serious and lead to expensive repairing.

is that true? hmm.gif
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wat i think that it juz dangerous as well..i mean u need to go from P to D....instead of N to D let say suddenly green light driver not ready...panic gear shifted in R before hitting N...step gas and wala...we got ourself a accident
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Emm... talking about this, I remember the time I had to drive from s.alam to klia coz my parents cant start their car. Arrive there I instantly notice the gear is set to D. seriously I facepalm
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post May 24 2014, 12:54 AM

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Some cars N to D need to press brake to engage. Some dont.
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ May 24 2014, 12:54 AM)
Some cars N to D need to press brake to engage. Some dont.
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Thats why when you have kids around in the car......never put to N.....expect the worst shocking.gif


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lol to put at N just need a liltle push...
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I dunno but I memang always put to N instead of P on traffic light and those times ehen u stop awhile. Malas tolak until P. Have to go thru R somemore . N plus handbreak good enuf for me.
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many says put neutral and handbrake, but many people i saw only press brake and stays on D, waffak.

i drive manual, so I stay on neutral, if car moving around, handbrake will be used, brake only when stopping or slowing down car
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a few years back, i read somewhere that N slightly save fuel than D,
besides, u can relax ur leg and use less brake force to pad/disc wear/tear

dunno lah

but if need to wait longer, ill practice to put N, conventional auto u just to push toward without press the button.
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I put P when leg tired after long jam. Normally, N.
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what about 2 and 3?? someone said to me, dont use 2, 2 only for towing.. true ah??

driving gf auto transmission car.. mine manual actually..


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QUOTE(asparagsu @ May 24 2014, 11:12 AM)
what about 2 and 3?? someone said to me, dont use 2, 2 only for towing.. true ah??

driving gf auto transmission car.. mine manual actually..
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those are for naik bukit or want to cap to 2nd gear oni la dei doh.gif
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QUOTE(zerorating @ May 24 2014, 11:15 AM)
those are for naik bukit or want to cap to 2nd gear oni la dei  doh.gif
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QUOTE(asparagsu @ May 24 2014, 11:12 AM)
what about 2 and 3?? someone said to me, dont use 2, 2 only for towing.. true ah??

driving gf auto transmission car.. mine manual actually..

edit: often use 3 to panjat bukit, but never use 2..
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I put D and handbrake. Enuff for me.

QUOTE(asparagsu @ May 24 2014, 11:12 AM)
what about 2 and 3?? someone said to me, dont use 2, 2 only for towing.. true ah??

driving gf auto transmission car.. mine manual actually..
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I use 2/3 for engine braking during downhill especially during genting.
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QUOTE(asparagsu @ May 24 2014, 11:12 AM)
what about 2 and 3?? someone said to me, dont use 2, 2 only for towing.. true ah??

driving gf auto transmission car.. mine manual actually..
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Nowadays still got car with 2,3 ah? I thought all replace with S ? tongue.gif
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i dont care
i put it everywhere i want

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QUOTE(asparagsu @ May 24 2014, 11:12 AM)
what about 2 and 3?? someone said to me, dont use 2, 2 only for towing.. true ah??

driving gf auto transmission car.. mine manual actually..
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its for sport & eco mode
but i dont use it
newer ecu just use D all along wink.gif
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QUOTE(acbc @ May 23 2014, 08:10 PM)
If in D, u may travel further in front and whack someone else if an ******* kiss your ass from behind.
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i think u fly further with N

when in D the car is engaged in gear 1 during stationary.

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QUOTE(Tokyonite @ May 24 2014, 01:46 PM)
i think u fly further with N

when in D the car is engaged in gear 1 during stationary.
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QUOTE(ectt @ May 23 2014, 08:28 PM)
when stop in front of traffic light, put in "P" may damage your whole gearbox easier than putting in "N"

reason is there is an armature extended click into the gear when you put in "P", if there is a follower hit your car behind when you are at "P", gearbox will be damaged more serious and lead to expensive repairing.

is that true? hmm.gif
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Saya rasa anda tak pandai berfikir. P = gear removed from the gear box. N + brake together it's about Gear 1 with brake. Putting N is more damaging.and if someone bang u when u put in P, why u care about the cost of repair while the other party will responsible for it
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QUOTE(KitZhai @ May 24 2014, 01:54 PM)
Saya rasa anda tak pandai berfikir. P = gear removed from the gear box. N + brake together it's about Gear 1 with brake. Putting N is more damaging.and if someone bang u when u put in P, why u care about the cost of repair while the other party will responsible for it
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N and tarik hand brake
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i am impressed with the replies in this thread..
put N instead of D can save how many fuel? @@

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