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post May 19 2014, 10:13 PM, updated 12y ago

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TRE (The Realm's Edge) is a PvX guild that has established itself in other games, and we are currently looking to expand our influence into Wildstar.

The guild has a long history of being a close knit community that has great achievements dating back to the days of World of Warcraft, as well as a more recent success in Final Fantasy XIV: ARR. Establishing ourselves as a gaming community, our player base comprises of both casual and hardcore players alike that play a variety of games.

Our ultimate goal is to create a comfortable environment that would cater to both the hardcore raider as well as a home for the more casual focused individual.

Our aim in Wildstar is to provide players with solid raiding experience, particularly with Wildstar’s large scale raids. For those who like to kick some ass in the PVP area, we are also looking to set up a dedicated community for that. For the casual player, we also hope to provide a warm community to provide support and fun.

Guild Information
Server : Widow (Oceanic NA PVP)
Faction : Dominion
Timezone: GMT +8-10 (Singapore, Malaysia, Australia)
Preferred Languages: English and Chinese
Website: gameredge.org
Facebook: gameredge

Interest applicants please contact one of the following members stated below.

Guild Master
Landris {Hong}

Public Relations
Koriel {Ben}
Kairyi {Victoria}

Officers
Lynette {Daryl}
Flix {Benny}
Okidayaa {Khoo}
Raxe {Shamsul}
Artist {Sebastian}
Sefira {Ethan}

Applicants please proceed to register at: Join TRE Now
Website: TRE Webpage

Regards,

Koriel - Eldest - Vexia - Callmemoo

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post May 20 2014, 12:04 AM

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if u're exile i'll join wink.gif
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post May 20 2014, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(HuorEarfalas @ May 20 2014, 12:04 AM)
if u're exile i'll join wink.gif
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Sorry mate... we had a vote quite some time back. Either ways, hope you reconsider. Cheers.
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post May 20 2014, 10:49 AM

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nice guild and definitely will join you guys smile.gif
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post May 20 2014, 10:58 AM

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ah ben ah ben...you go wildstar ar..doku here
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post May 20 2014, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(intothefantasy @ May 20 2014, 10:58 AM)
ah ben ah ben...you go wildstar ar..doku here
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Wah Doku.... Long time no see... Miss you bro!!!
I lost your number when I reset my phone.... Call/Text me lah...
Alot our kaki already pre-order...
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post May 20 2014, 01:45 PM

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oh so this is what you all upto eh?

I'm on another Oceanic server

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post May 20 2014, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(raydenex @ May 20 2014, 01:45 PM)
oh so this is what you all upto eh?

I'm on another Oceanic server

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Hey Ayumie... why alienate yourself la... come join us!
We got about 40+ players to date already... but not all are going to be raiding tongue.gif

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post May 20 2014, 07:36 PM

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I'm currently in the TRE FC for FFXIV ARR in Tonberry server, Eldest tongue.gif
Looks like we're going to be in the opposite faction for Wildstar in Widow PvP realm biggrin.gif
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post May 20 2014, 07:52 PM

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For the Dominion! cheers.gif cheers.gif cheers.gif
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post May 20 2014, 08:20 PM

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come join us la...


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post May 20 2014, 10:54 PM

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we welcome anyone to join us =)

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post May 21 2014, 07:47 AM

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QUOTE(athlonmax @ May 20 2014, 07:36 PM)
I'm currently in the TRE FC for FFXIV ARR in Tonberry server, Eldest tongue.gif
Looks like we're going to be in the opposite faction for Wildstar in Widow PvP realm biggrin.gif
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Hey, had no idea another TRE tonberry player was here. We should really pull our resources together and make TRE a stronger guild.

Remember that raids are 20-man and then 40-man.

Cheers,
Ben

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post May 21 2014, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(Eldest @ May 21 2014, 07:47 AM)
Hey, had no idea another TRE tonberry player was here. We should really pull our resources together and make TRE a stronger guild.

Remember that raids are 20-man and then 40-man.

Cheers,
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ben, u got play ffxiv?
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post May 21 2014, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(intothefantasy @ May 21 2014, 09:34 AM)
ben, u got play ffxiv?
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yea.... but casually... never raided... but my TRE guildies did help kill the primals and made me my relic...

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post May 21 2014, 06:40 PM

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Doku,

Don't waste money on WoD... seriously... you know you miss me as well =P

Ben
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post May 22 2014, 01:14 AM

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Kinda noob with the hardware, so will

Geforce GT720M
Intel Core{[TM} i3-3217U CPU @1.80GHz
8 GB RAM
Window 7 Premium

sufficient to run this game?
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post May 22 2014, 01:27 AM

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should be able to in minimal settings.. i guess..

with the optimizations going on now.. the game will be much smoother..
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post May 22 2014, 01:33 AM

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thanks for your reply. I'm able to play warframe and secret world without much problem but i scare the graphic turn out like Blade and Soul. I never thought I will going to dive back into mmo this much again can't regret it now since only bought the laptop last year. If not I can just setup a desktop


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post May 22 2014, 01:58 AM

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i did run the game with a gt220

lol... wit really really low settings..

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post May 22 2014, 02:00 AM

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http://www.wildstar-online.com/en/preorder/

at the bottom u can see the systems requirements


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post May 22 2014, 02:01 AM

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Conclave will be on the Exile side. TRE on the opposite, either faction will be fine.
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post May 22 2014, 01:45 PM

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btw girls is our forte!
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post May 22 2014, 10:07 PM

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Here's are some ways you can do to improve your performance.. copy from somewhere else...

But as Carbine always said "developers are listening, they r moving 50% of their force to focus on the Optimizations.. hopefully we all are able to enjoy smoother gameplay during launch


*Credits to Archos* rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

Approach 1: DirectX9

The first suggestion that was proposed by many users was to force Wildstar to run in DirectX9, as it appears that DirectX10 and 11 have had some serious issues with optimization. The process in order to do this is quite simple.
Right-click the shortcut icon on your Desktop
Select Properties
You'll notice under the Shortcut tab, that there is a box called Target
In this box it should list the location of your Wildstar installation. We need to slightly modify this line in order to force DirectX9 mode.
At the very end of your target, enter a space, followed by the text -dx9
For example, my target box is as follows: "C:\Program Files (x86)\NCSOFT\WildStar\Wildstar.exe" -dx9


Approach 2: Windows XP Compatibility

The next approach that I found was to change the compatibility of the game, which forces the client to download a 32-bit version.
Right-click your Desktop shortcut
Select Properties
This time, switch the the Compatibility tab
Check off the "Run this program in compatibility mode for:" button, and select Windows XP (Service Pack 3).
The next time you launch the game, the patcher should download the 32-bit client.
NOTE: Other users have suggested that this fix doesn't actually change anything, but it's worth a shot!


Approach 3: In-Game Settings

This approach is one you may have already attempted yourself, but it's worth placing it here for users who it may not have occurred to, or that are overwhelmed and confused by the in-game video settings
Target Scale: The first option to try on the video screen is the Render Target Scale slider. This has something to do with anti-aliasing, so it is worth noting that turning this slider will get you some FPS gain, but not without the cost of a fairly grotesquely pixellated experience.
Vertical Sync: Ensure that this option is turned off. You may experience some frame tearing, but a bit of frame tearing won't be an issue if you can't play at more than 10fps.
Quality: Don't be stubborn. We all know that this is a beautiful game, but until optimization occurs your machine may not be able to perform at the level of quality that you expect. Try turning everything to Low or Off if possible, and then work your way up. Be creative!
Texture Filtering: If you're confused by what each of these means, and are experiencing lag, then switch to Bilinear. Thing of it this way:
Anisotropic - Best Quality, Most FPS loss
Trilinear - Medium Quality, Medium FPS loss
Bilinear - Lowest Quality, Least FPS loss


Approach 4: Nvidia Control Panel

This is the one that really fixed it for me. I'm playing the game on an Nvidia NVS 4200m (laptop) gpu, which is actually really weak for gaming. It occurred to me after messing with in-game settings, that certain settings such as texture filtering and AA did not really have an OFF option. I decided to take it upon myself to enter the Nvidia Control Panel to see what kind of fix I could come up with.
NOTE: This solution only works for PCs/Laptops with Nvidia gpus. If you have an AMD GPU and have figured out how to fix this using that, please post here, so that others may see!
In the Start menu, type "Nvidia," and the NVIDIA Control Panel should appear for you to click on.
Select Manage 3D Settings in the task column on the left side of the window.
From here, select the Program Settings tab.
Wildstar will not appear on the list of programs which you can customize, so you will have to press the Add button.
Navigate to your install directory for Wildstar, and select the Wildstar.exe.
If you have NVIDIA Optimus functionality on your gpu, ensure that you select your non-integrated gpu from the dropdown menu.
Here are the settings that I chose that seemed to help: HERE


Approach 5: Update Graphics Drivers

If all else fails, try updating your graphics card drivers!


Using approaches 1, 2 and 4, I was able to get my FPS up to 30 fps on my laptop. I really hope that this post can help others to enjoy their beta weekends. If you have any suggestions, please post them here and I will try them and add them to the post! Best of luck, and I hope to see you all in Nexus!

There's 2 more Command that u can use ingame by lowering the grahpics and boost your performance a lil bit further..
Release by Carbine Studiosstaff

/eval Apollo.SetConsoleVariable("lod.renderTargetScale", 0.5)

This will "pixelate" the screen a little; 1.0 is full screen. I wouldn't recommend going above 1.0 smile.gif
For PVP or Raiders, you might also try changing

/eval Apollo.SetConsoleVariable("spell.visualSuppression", 0.75)

This will suppress visual effects if there are too many cast spells on the screen. Setting it to 0 will supress nothing, 1.0 will suppress all spell casts but their own.
Keep in mind that these settings will persist on log out.


Join our TRE big family and have fun together http://www.gameredge.org/forum/index.php?topic=483.0

CHEERS =D

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post May 26 2014, 10:34 PM

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post May 27 2014, 08:07 AM

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QUOTE(Lordz` @ May 22 2014, 02:01 AM)
Conclave will be on the Exile side. TRE on the opposite, either faction will be fine.
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Hey Lords, would be great we that are within same time zones (especially malaysians and singaporeans) could pull our resources together. cheers, Ben
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post May 27 2014, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(Eldest @ May 27 2014, 08:07 AM)
Hey Lords,  would be great we that are within same time zones (especially malaysians and singaporeans) could pull our resources together.  cheers, Ben
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Hi there Eldest,

We are looking for a hardcore PvP guild to join, will TRE be focusing much on PvE (raids etc) or PvP?

Just curious are you guys mainly local?

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post May 28 2014, 07:28 AM

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QUOTE(Lordz` @ May 27 2014, 11:10 PM)
Hi there Eldest,

We are looking for a hardcore PvP guild to join, will TRE be focusing much on PvE (raids etc) or PvP?

Just curious are you guys mainly local?
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Hi Lordz,

Generally, I would say that the guild encourages players to do both - PvP and PvE. However, we do have players in the guild that are only PvP focused and some that are only PvE focused.

While in most games, PvE (raids, etc) requires more coordination and organization and PvP is pretty much FFA (Free-for-All) organized based on members online. I would say that in Wildstar we would be doing something different due to the end game Warplots PvP (40-man). I think that Warplots is something that our players would want the guild to participate in managing and organizing.

The guild will be organizing and running Warplots groups while Battlegrounds / Arena Teams will still be FFA.

Yes, most of us are Malaysians / Singaporeans wink.gif

Cheers,
-Ben

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post May 28 2014, 05:53 PM

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and you can level up just by PVP!!!

WILDSTAR!!!
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post Jun 2 2014, 05:31 PM

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you guys are playing on the NA servers. right?

is NA servers laggy compared with EU servers?
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post Jun 2 2014, 08:19 PM

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Why can't we contact any of the leaders? Is the guild active?
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post Jun 3 2014, 11:01 AM

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Probably all too busy playing now hahah.
I just got the game and am looking to join aswell! as long as i can queue into widow ): takes quite awhile..
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QUOTE(fairbroken @ Jun 3 2014, 11:01 AM)
Probably all too busy playing now hahah.
I just got the game and am looking to join aswell! as long as i can queue into widow ): takes quite awhile..
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No, is none of the leaders are online. Any guild members here care to clarify?
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post Jun 5 2014, 11:18 AM

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Why can't we contact any of the leaders? Is the guild active?
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Sorry for the late reply Lordz.... been in zombie mode since headstart... u know how it is... All our officers are online... Please feel free to contact any of them ingame. Else just reach out to any TRE member to reach us.

Guild Master
Landris {Hong}

Public Relations
Koriel / Vexia {Ben}
Kairyi {Vic}

Officers
Lynette {Daryl}
Stripper {Benny}
Okidayaa {Khoo}
Raxe {Shamsul}
Eugenyy {Eugene}
Helborn {Victoria}
Artist {Sebastian}
Sefira {Ethan}

*note: I have bold the nicks of our more active members in our advance group that might be easier to reach in game.

Alternatively, you can add me as friend or message me your in game nick and ill reach out when I get online.

Regards,
-Ben

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post Jun 5 2014, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(Eldest @ Jun 5 2014, 11:18 AM)
Sorry for the late reply Lordz.... been in zombie mode since headstart... u know how it is...  All our officers are online... Please feel free to contact any of them ingame.  Else just reach out to any TRE member to reach us.

Guild Master
Landris {Hong}

Public Relations
Koriel / Vexia {Ben}
Kairyi {Vic}

Officers
Lynette {Daryl}
Stripper {Benny}
Okidayaa {Khoo}
Raxe {Shamsul}
Eugenyy {Eugene}
Helborn {Victoria}
Artist {Sebastian}
Sefira {Ethan}

*note:  I have bold the nicks of our more active members in our advance group that might be easier to reach in game.

Alternatively, you can add me as friend or message me your in game nick and ill reach out when I get online.

Regards,
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I'm in the guild already, cheers!
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post Jun 5 2014, 02:46 PM

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Oh ok... lol... alot of people use different in game nicks from different e-mails / forums / etc... very hard to keep track of who is who... im sure you can understand. tongue.gif

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Just updated link and new guild website.

Thank you everybody for your overwhelming response both in game as well as on forums. We apologize that we might be late but we will definitely revert to you soonest possible. If would really help us if you contacted our Officers in game.

Cheers,
- Koriel - Eldest - Vexia - Callmemoo
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hrrrmphhh.. all these name sooo familiar..
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post Jun 7 2014, 11:29 PM

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hey guys, if i buy the game from https://shop.wildstar-online.com/product/standard# will it be NA or EU region? im assuming u guys play on NA servers
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Should I get wildstar? Veteran AION/GW2 player here.
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QUOTE(refnulf @ Jun 7 2014, 11:31 PM)
Should I get wildstar? Veteran AION/GW2 player here.
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Depends,but it looks kinda refined and complete despite being new to the market.
I'm a ex-WoW player myself(BC days),anxious to try out the game and see how it feels.
Currently downloading the game,a whopping 17GB lol(compressed maybe.)
Will get my guest pass for 10 bucks tomorrow and try it out.
Hopefully,the gameplay hooks my interest,been looking for a MMORPG to enjoy since WoW days. Fingers crossed,this will be the one.
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Where to get 10 bugs trial ? Wanna try it out before buying the full key.
Ditched so many games already because not to my liking sad.gif
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QUOTE(ichigo_6091 @ Jun 8 2014, 01:20 AM)
Depends,but it looks kinda refined and complete despite being new to the market.
I'm a ex-WoW player myself(BC days),anxious to try out the game and see how it feels.
Currently downloading the game,a whopping 17GB lol(compressed maybe.)
Will get my guest pass for 10 bucks tomorrow and try it out.
Hopefully,the gameplay hooks my interest,been looking for a MMORPG to enjoy since WoW days. Fingers crossed,this will be the one.
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I've heard nothing but good reviews about it. Nothing much left in AION a the moment (lvl 65, top pve armor, top pvp armor, extendable weapons, etc) just need to wait for the 4.7-5.0 update and GW2 (legendary weapons x 3) I'm kinda bored with the events. Worried about the grind though for this.

If anyone has a guest pass, please pm me. Would love to buy one off you to trial this game.

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QUOTE(lordsapt @ Jun 7 2014, 11:29 PM)
hey guys, if i buy the game from https://shop.wildstar-online.com/product/standard# will it be NA or EU region? im assuming u guys play on NA servers
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All IP outside europe will automatically get the NA version when purchasing from the wildstar official website.
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it's worthy i guess, but will need time to quest, no rested experience or whatsoever.
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I would say those players that played WOW Classic (as i have) and maybe GW2 (so ive heard) would probably love the game. I must warn new players that it is not as easy as it looks, so expect it to be a bit challenging. Don't get discouraged too early in the game and keep an open mind until at least until level2x when you try the first dungeon.

Those that played WOW would understand when i say "the game starts at max level".

No worries, TRE has a strong support system to help and assist new players / our new friends.

QUOTE(Blackdawn @ Jun 9 2014, 11:24 AM)
it's worthy i guess, but will need time to quest, no rested experience or whatsoever.
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Yes there is Blackdawn - in this game, everybody gets to their own "plot of land" to build their own house at level 15. Depends on what you want to do, your house can yield various benefits such as gathering, crafting, gardening, etc.. as well as portals and mini-games. But I would say that your main benefits for your house is that you log out at home to gain rested XP. As well as you find items in the world that increases your rested XP.

For those looking to buy guest passes - pm me personally and i shall see what i can do.

Cheers,

Koriel - Eldest - Vexia - Callmemoo


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Yo .. rolotomasi...the bounty hunter heal in swtor... lol...we Elitez from swtor... Oki here..
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Totally agreed wit all the good reviews... no matter if u like questing...dungeons hard or easier ones.. even soloable dungs..pvp...for the views of Nexus...is all good..

They even made those lil questin details like collecting and activating... FUN!!

JOIN US!! =)

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need 2 guest passes sad.gif anyone selling cheapies
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Lol... Rolotomasi... i remember... the Merc from SWTOR.... Loves to PVP.... How u doing mate? Haven't seen you in ages.

ichigo_6091 pst us ingame when you get in.... we are on Widow: Dominion
refnulf pm me if you still need a pass.
nig3l pm stanleybeemer if you need 2 passes.

I think in today's time and age... where our time is so precious, it is ok for us to have higher expectations for games... and if the game can't continuously keep us interested over a long period of time... then it just doesn't measure up.

It's only fair for us to expect the games we play to go out of their way keep us interested... especially if we paying a monthly sub for it.

Cheers,

Koriel - Eldest - Vexia - Callmemoo

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A level 19 having trouble killing a level 20 mob, that's how challenging it can be or maybe I just suck at it.
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i'm at level 11 already feeling the challenge, but in closed beta tried to 20 and i know it will be good..
Gravija here btw.
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Im looking for a free pass if anyone can spare me one? PM me if there is any thx! XD
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Wildstar sets the benchmark for a new standard of MMO: http://www.craveonline.com/gaming/reviews/...andard#/slide/1

Nice Review!
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Any kind soul have spare guess pass for me!?
Yeah I am cheap!
Thx
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anyone has guest pass for selling? i wanna try it out before spending rm200 on it thx a lot =DD
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post Jul 3 2014, 03:05 AM

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post Jul 3 2014, 11:51 AM

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Ah, I do see some TREs around laugh.gif
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post Jul 3 2014, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(khelben @ Jul 3 2014, 11:51 AM)
Ah, I do see some TREs around laugh.gif
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Please contact any one of our Officers/Members when you are online. =D
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post Jul 10 2014, 04:25 PM

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You will be surprised to learn that alot of players from the "official" oceanic server Myrcalus (PvE) are moving to Widow due to population. Because you cannot tranfer from PvE to PvP.... these players are actually re-rolling (re-level their characters from lvl1)

I think that a large part of SEA players.... even though they enjoy PvE.... they would still like to have the option to play open-world PvP.
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post Jul 10 2014, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(Eldest @ Jul 10 2014, 04:25 PM)
You will be surprised to learn that alot of players from the "official" oceanic server  Myrcalus (PvE) are moving to Widow due to population.  Because you cannot tranfer from PvE to PvP.... these players are actually re-rolling (re-level their characters from lvl1)

I think that a large part of SEA players.... even though they enjoy PvE.... they would still like to have the option to play open-world PvP.
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Oh people from Myrcalus rerolling in Widow? Where did you read/heard about that?
Not many ppl playing in Oceanic Pve server or something?
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post Jul 20 2014, 09:45 PM

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Hi all, just started playing Wildstar in the Dominion side of Widow server. Currently a level 20 spellslinger. Am interested to play with the other Asians in the server. Getting very very boring playing alone...
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post Jul 22 2014, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(CyberTroop @ Jul 20 2014, 09:45 PM)
Hi all, just started playing Wildstar in the Dominion side of Widow server. Currently a level 20 spellslinger. Am interested to play with the other Asians in the server. Getting very very boring playing alone...
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Hi CyberTroop,

Pm any one of our officers when you are ingame. We are most active after 6pm (after work lol)

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post Aug 15 2014, 04:03 PM

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Update - TRE has started raiding and is presently looking for more members for our future plans of 40-man raids. We would like to invite all players from our timezone that loves the game to come to Widow and experience Wildstar end game raiding.

Please pm any of our officers in game:
Kayleah
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Okidayaa
Avize
Helborn
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Best Regards all, I hope to see you in Nexus.

Cheers,
Koriel - Eldest - Vexia - Callmemoo

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