SMM National Tournament - Rules
http://www.smm.net.my/forum/viewtopic.php?t=47

SMM National Tournament - Fixture and Group Drawing
http://www.smm.net.my/forum/viewtopic.php?t=48

OMG, y gamemode switch to allpick mode?

give us back normal pick pls.....

This post has been edited by synzo: Aug 4 2006, 12:34 PM

sigh, SMM oso -AP liao...
stil prefer normal pick... T_T

wow~ap alread~gg all ^^

-Ap lol interesting ^^ a strd rule is draw

it will be 60-70% of scourge heros are picked liao... >"<

This post has been edited by Kuso: Aug 4 2006, 12:35 PM

we got time constraint on the 2 day competition
so, at last we go for ap
to reduce hassle


but maybe after the final
we will hold some local league
then will go for home and away ( sent, scour basis )


This post has been edited by Ian_Mok: Aug 4 2006, 12:37 PM

-AP good no more scourge/senti imbaness really depends how u draft n counter draft

AP =all scourge team A fight all scourge team B

u could like draft all senti aso ma haha shows how imba scourge is from ur words

This post has been edited by M4Gi_7: Aug 4 2006, 12:41 PM

Kingsurf just came up with a Golden sentinel combo that can break every KL team scourge combo, too bad they cant show it anymore in tourney now since every tourney switch to AP,

we still welcome to all kind of feedback and comment
the feedback and comment will be used for future tournament or bla bla bla
maybe 2007 SMM tournament, 2007 SMM league, 2007 SMM... ...

u from kingsurf?? i thought u all only play WOW
ur boss told me that u all nvr practise DotA nowaday

dun mistake , i not part of Kingsurf team, but saw their "OMGWTFBBQ" sentinel combo during frenly match.....

their sentinel combo will really give a shock to all,

izzit?when u saw the frenly match?i always train wif them y i donno 1? O.o

oo, u r the team that frenly wit them....

no wonder ur nick so familiar......

haha yes
let me guess who r u....
i donno XD
btw now AP alread, tell them got to change alread lo lol~
to9 gonna train wif them somemore

from show?

no hei s from airteam the queen of pain and chen

nothin to comment abt...noob qop n chen @@"
anyway goodluck to every1 on the AP games =)

my dream of a team come out with sentinel combo that will demolish all scourge combo gone d,

http://www.smm.net.my/forum/viewtopic.php?t=47

hrm still want to use 6.32b? maybe should change to 6.34
and can share town portal scroll? cool

I think its because of the tp will stack once you accidentally pick it up from ur teammates. Thats y they come up with this rule. Just IMO.

basically v stil follow dota recommended stable map which is 6.32b
^^

wow
AP rules....
wow
Drafting at 12 August at SMM HQ...
today so many unexpected thing happen...
More to come... WCG also using AP rules ? i think they will do it also , it more easy for marshall and gamers... Train 1 rule and own it !!! thing goes like this, i think the standardize rule for DotA community will using AP Draft match.... It a good thing !!! CHILL

duh if ap is used

whatever happened to sentinel vs scourge , good vs evil! living against undead!

EXPLAIN!

Well... Forget about the princip for DotA
at first, why must Sentinel Vs Scourge ?? why must Heaven Vs Hell ? why must Good Vs Evil ?? this just the basic thing we know in our life...
but for game even war... USA open war with those Country who disobey them one, are USA counted as Good Side ?? if yes, did you think everyone agree with you ?? ppl will say USA is in Evil side too... well this is just the example.....

What i know is, By using AP rule.. it will become more balance.
Save alot time in using AP rules
All about personal skill
and the most important thing... Save Cost !!!

just my 2 cents ^^;

YAY! AP GAME! OMNIKNIGHT AND ABADDON COMBO PWN!
EDITED: Ops, forgot they use 6.32b, LOL

This post has been edited by Hell Fire: Aug 4 2006, 07:02 PM

AP cant never make the game balance. heck, -Tr would be much better actually.

How funny, western player didnt whine about how imbalance is v632 scourage team while msia player screaming like sissy girl about scourage imbalance..Sigh..Msia still have long way to go...

Because malaysia is not playing the whole match until the game ends.

This post has been edited by nles: Aug 5 2006, 12:50 AM

True true. In other countries, different rules are applied. Eg, in Singapore, the game goes on until you completely destroy your opponent throne, but in Malaysia, a time limit is restricted. Malaysia DOTA players are not sissies, imbaness really will cause teams to lose.

Different rules applies to different situation.

thumbs up, u got the point

guess DOTA tourney just going down hill now.....next thing u know tourney will be using SAME HERO MODE since all 10 players using the same heroes must be even more FAIR than AP Mode......

i guess team GAYA and Kingsurf saw this coming for malaysia tourney and migrate to WOW instead of taking part in this gayness.....

well, World of Warcraft, here i come.......btw, are they going to implement a MMORPG into WCG in 2007? i guess right now is good time to start polishing up my PK skills,

failed to see the point of it...what do you mean? If your opponent decide to play fast game, give you 3000 minute time-limit dont even matter if you are down under 30 min.

It not like:
"Hey since there is no time limit, let pick item-dependant hero and farm and own later because we know our opponent wont finish the game so fast..Lalala..It sure balance isnt it?"

If not, Care to elobrate more?



No..it would be like this..

EM + SH mode = Fastest game play ever and it is balance...and it make those Marshall job easier than before.

seriously, if you guys want balance, -mm or -tr is more justified.

and I think you guys should write some suggestion to Icefrog about those tavern.

Dear Icefrog, Would you mind to put all those sentinel and scourage tavern in the same side?Ya know..for balance issue and screw the sentinel Vs Scourage theme..we dont like it.

This post has been edited by zxcvbnm: Aug 5 2006, 10:33 PM

JB standard so low where can compare to KL teams

Depends on how each teams sees it. In American forums , there is a general knowledge that scourge has a slight advantage over sentinal based on the winning rate on teams using scourge in their CAL league.

The only way of playing a fair senti/scourge game is to let the players from both sides play till one of the tree/throne is taken down , where players from both sides can plan the game as a whole and the strategies werewill be more varied and interesting. Depends on game play styles, this may well results in epic games that can last for 2 hours or more every time.

Unfortunately due to the constraint of LAN tourneys in Malaysia which rented the whole Cybercafe or parts of a shopping mall for 2 days to organise large tourneys like SMM and WCG , epic games like this will destroy their planning either financially or timing.

Do your math , do you think SMM earned anything from those tourneys based on teams joined and prize money gave away? I think they are running at a serious loss each time they hold these tourneys. And how about those players who joined? They spent countless amount of money training in cafes , came up with the courage and money to join the tourney , some drove or take a bus across cities and states just to join a tourney which they themselves know may not win it if one of their teammates make a mistake etc. All these parties , organisers and players alike do all this for the love of the game . They sacrificed their time , money , some even respect from their parents and peers to join a tournament with 4 other good friends that they trust because they love the game. Knowing this , the organisers have tried hard to make the rules as fair as possible for all parties.

Since this is the finals of SMM , the organiser can make it look like an elimination round where some teams drove 6 hours to join this tourney may well go home after 1 game which they lost. Not fair is it? So the organisers make it a league type of play to choose the 8 teams that qualify for the elimination. So , a team who losses every match in this finals will have a minimum 3 games to play under these rules. The American rules will make the tourney's timing go way out of control that may result in teams playing till 2-3 am in the morning. All this will only burden the gamers and the organisers. It is much better if the organisers can control their time better.

It is natural for players leaving Dota due to other commitments like studying abroad and other challenges. Teams like Gaya are once great clans that mesmerizes us with amazing skills in the version 5 era. But their place is rightly taken over by great teams like Enet , SK , Cybertime etc. Emerging teams like OMG from Kuantan may potentially be a strong contender for the traditional strong clans. I just want to point out that teams leaving Dota not purely of the rules but can be of other factors as well.

As for AP mode , a lot people may ask the reasoning behind this. For me , it is the best way to go under Malaysia constraints. It is the only way we can see strategy and skills from players being applied in a fair system that fits into the financial and time constraints of the organiser. Sure no one can argue about its integrity as the most "IMBA" thing i can think off of this rule is the coin toss where the winner gets to choose his side AND the first hero (which most probably be lich in my opinion). Hero variedness is preserved because of the AP draft mode which enables 10 different heroes got chosen (there goes your MM mode). Teams is responsible on thier choices as the heroes they choose could be used to apply their strategies on or counter enemy heroes (there goes AR which practically does nothing in proving team skills and coordination , and based on computer randomness).

As for Kingsurf playing WOW. No offence , but have they been one of the top teams before? I personally saw them play at the ZoneX Version 5 tourney (which I presume thats the peak of their history) and their skills just do not cut it with the best I have seen . Maybe people think they are good as they are the best in Johor .Well , from their Johor SMM qualifier replays, they will have to work damn hard to even get pass the preliminaries in the Grand finals. This is what i personally think based on other states replays . Who knows? they may prove me wrong in the Grand Finals.

WOW really addictive and interesting to play , but as in anything in life, one must work hard to achieve greatness. For those once "pro" players who migrate to WOW it will only mean sadness for the Dota scene but it is their personal choice. I am sure other players will arise and take their place in due time.

Well said, but dam long essay.
See until my eyes blur.

HOpe SMM grand final change the Venue ... NOT FTZ Asian.Net Please... LOL every 10min save 1 time game.. =_+

y ler ? the cafe pc spec nice wert...

FTZ seriously rox sial.
They make most of the team from winning become lose.
From losing become win.
When having fatal error, losing team got the chance to know the future and change it. What i mean is change the game play.
This make the losing teams become winner. Funny rite?
Hahahaha it's like SKz vs BZ2. Skz owning suddenly dong. GG
And team Wizz1, owning in first 20 minutes and roll back 10 minutes make everything change, xD
and even their last chance in minutes 57. DONG! GG


This post has been edited by LiLjeno: Aug 7 2006, 08:20 AM

we will reassure the SMM final will in Perfect condition

zzz.. gg lor.. sand king aredi got tat dagger money then suddenly say rmk pula.. xD..

yea loh .. keep roll back really make the game changed lolx... wizz1 own top and bottom lane in the early 15min.. we like losing 7~8 kill like that... cannot say owning the game la... coz mid lane viper own silencer, but advantage more to wizz1 if no roll back...

wOw what a rox cc, and good job to the roxxorz organizer for choosing such a roxsss cc ! sad for bz2 and wizz1 =(

Actually only certain PC got problem only.
Later all the games also run smoothly already, no problem occurs.
Winternight game got fatal error, i dun think is pc problem. Must be baowen face problem.

sad to me also~~ we are the 1st team who face this matter , we had rematching for 3 times , and in this 3 times , our sk get dagger in lv4 near lv 5 =.=" , so sad ~~ haih , but BZ2 strategy damn good , OMNIKNIGHT~~!!!

Can post the replay for non ap games in the cafe prelim ? tq

wah... you "wat" me...
if really my face got problem, why don't the second game become fatal error again.. hahaha

haha..baowen face problem...INDEED ! ! !

Did i see wrongly? my.worldcybergames site mentioned about dota champ winners will stand a chance to go to Italy @@??? or write wrong liao ???

omg ... u say wnsk 2 was winning bz 2 then rm?!! were u there?
do u know the 1st game they send 3 heroes to attk my bone..but we got the 1st blood? they got no wards so 3 heroes were useless n 10 minutes or so later... they lagged out... then we rm.. GUESS waT? scnd game they BOUGHT SENTRY WARDS TO THE TOP? i mean IF FOLLOW RULES WE DUN HAVE TO RM...BUT we DID FOR SPORTMANSHIP N WAT WE GOT IN RETURN WAS SENTRY ON TOP LANE AT LVL 1
THEN ou COM LAG then we rm... is it unfair? even wif the lack of sportmanship wif sentry wards.. at lvl 1 knowing from the 1st game our heroes laning... i doubt they cud win that game ... feel free to flame .. i post this coz of lil jenos comment.. my last tourney anywayss hehe

ur last tourney ? so u wont be playing for bz2 anymore?

Erm, im sorry if i got it wrong, but it's wat i heard from spectators. No offence. Maybe i should just take back the word. Sorry about it bah nataku xD
Neway. Not saying that who's winning or wat, just that rmk the game is unfair.

Thats a kinda bias statement. I think people nowadays just don't really put themselves in people's shoes and look from their point of view, which is really sad. Complains are thrown into fast before the brain starts to work to really analyse the true situation here.

I believe the organizers would not want this to happen since if the tournament runs smoothly, gamers happy, spectators happy, sponsors happy, and the organizer happy. Who would not like a happy ending? Finding CCs to host the game would be a hard task seeing how the CC has to provide computers thus losing out in terms of their profit.

Nonetheless, what happened has happened. A regretful day for teams who were placed as disadvantage, but the clockhand cannot be turned back. So complains are redundant now, you guys can post 100 pages of complains and nothing will happen. So why don't you guys give constructive suggestions instead to avoid such situation from happening again?

An healthy gaming community need positive and constructive feedback and suggestion
Just pray hard and all this won repeat again in future "watever" tournament

Bz2 always problem creater... non-stop giving me problems.... thx ya nataku... i really appreciate that..

LOL! nataku seriously quitting tourney? who is taking his place then?

Chill la Dk......i think things will b fine.....hopefully...hehe..

I agree with Yukito...sometimes ppl just keep on whining about the CC cannot 'go' cos got this problem n that problem but have u guys think bout the CC that provide the pc for the organiser. I was there on that day n from wat i heard they do have some problem at first but later was solved by the technical in charge of the CC.
But funny thing is that later that day they host another event n it run smoothly without any problem(using the same pc's that gamers complaint got problem earlier)

I dont think its pc prob because i went there and its like pasar malam. Spectator shouting here and there. Thats y winner become loser and loser become winner. All pro team like Gearbox, Kaos Team, Enet came themself while the others came with friends, so their friend can be spy for their team. Where can let ppl stand behind players and let them spy or shout? Actually professional tournament musnt allow spectator to go in. Maybe final ok lah. I feel that In2 is not qualified enuf to handle for tournaments and events. There is always smooth going for tournament/event handle by SMM, MOL.....etc. Lets see the different on next weeks National Dota Tournament handle by SMM at FTZ Asia.Net.
Keep it up for all the teams who join. I will be there to support u all.
Cheers !!

I dont agree with what you said. First of all, profesional teams should be able to overcome what you said as a SPY factor. All good teams doent worry about their strategy being copied or counter since if you are good enough, go ahead and copy me and then beat me. Seriously, a strat isnt really something that can be countered just by having a one sight look at it or listen to their FRIENDS INFORMATION.

For many previous years before, all major tourney has allowed spectators to come in if there are such space to. Spectators and public always has the rights to come and watch a good game since some of them never has the chance to compete in major tourney because of other commitment.

I seriously dont agree what you criticise regarding the the way In2 organize the event. Its not really easy to organize such a major gaming event. I believe that if other company get the chance to organize this major event, criticsm will also come non stop because its hard to satisfy everybody. Its always easier said that done.Hence, who qualifies to organize such event if In2 doesnt, not many I think

Go ahead and flame me if you want, its just my 2 cents.

P/S: Its Gamebox not Gearbox...

well , normally , it doesn't really effect alot to the "SPY" as he said , but it really slightly will effect the next game planning..~ , it's so obvious that shows by BZ1 , when WN-SK is owning the game that match with BZ2 , BZ1 straightly to change strategy... If i'm not mistaken , before BZ1 change their strategy , their hero pick got Omniknight ~... but after the match WN-SK vs BZ2 , change already~ lol... it's just my 2 cents ... maybe , i am wrong to judge that...

This post has been edited by pOpFynX: Aug 13 2006, 03:08 AM

not really leh.... Bz1 strategy got two type.. either choose Pugna or Omninight...that it... training tat time, they never come out with ominight and only train with pugna... tat tourney, i saw them got ominight and ask why, they say "new strats" !! lolx

In2 good at organising tournament?? lolx ....i heard that they come unprepared in the morning. ask ppl come at 7am but they come at 7:30am... wat kind of organiser is that??? FTZ Asia.Net is a classy environment place but they make it till like a pasar malam. spectator shouting even player themself also shouting at each other. haiz...wat kind of tourney is that?

hor~~ lol... i really misunderstood yea~ haha... icic... "new strat" means? Secret Weapon? lol... But this strat really geng man... , but too bad , necro-book already can gg it =.="... and the rules now is , no limit book , so~~ kinda hard...

yaler magi7 say he watch us play thats y his team buy necro book to counter us sob...chin chai tulan...

ahahaha

the omni combo we only thought about it and tried it at the day before the tourney
it was a shock how good it is for our team and a special last min surprise for our opponents...

unfortunately at that tourney there isnt a limit to necro book which was something new to us as we never fear necro book before because we never fought with more than one book...

anyway it was our first time playing throne for the game end, which we didnt train at all so we didnt know which was the best hero strat and item build

this shows that we are still inexperience, but we will do better at the next tourney

I got a feeling sphear or my teammates will flame me