Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

Advice Wanted [WTA] Proposal Ring & Wedding Bands, Please advice me!! Need Help!!

views
     
DjS
post Sep 29 2017, 04:02 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
49 posts

Joined: May 2011
Hi all experts and friends,

I found two diamond set with below diamond criteria...
Price is same for both but the spec quite some different.
Need all bro, sis advice ..... sad.gif

Ring A (actual size no need to resize)
HCA score 1.3
user posted image

Ring B (need to resize as over 2 size)
HCA score 1.5
user posted image

Whether resize down 2 sizes will cause the ring run shape? material is platinum.
Waiting this 2 diamond transfer to the outlet, then view the scope details by eyes again.
However base on above cert, which would you guys pick?


thanks all for the advice in advance. notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

This post has been edited by DjS: Sep 29 2017, 04:03 PM
DjS
post Sep 30 2017, 09:44 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
49 posts

Joined: May 2011
QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Sep 29 2017, 09:34 PM)
Looks like Estrella? D VS1 bro. It should be marginally better than the E VS2 on terms of brilliance. The depth for E VS2 is slightly deeper but ntg too major there. Also, check the fire too, the crown angle for D VS1 is steeper at 35 degrees and may actual return more fire. However, E VS2 has a smaller table and this may help to increase its fire as well. So I supposed it is more or less the same for both. Anyway, when you have the chance to see both rings, look carefully and see which one you prefer more. Another reason is that IGI may be a bit lenient in terms of grading colour. So for a D colour, even if really down 1 to 2 grades whem graded by GIA, it is still within colourless range. Some more, no need to resize! Resizing sometimes can be not so nice to be honest. At least that is my experience. Hope this helps.

p.s. Mind sharing me the final price? You can PM me if you don't wish to disclose publicly. I am pretty curious about it. Thanks.
*
Thanks bro for your advice. You see the cert also know the source of brand o... shocking.gif
I also prefer Ring A, i also worry abt resizing. But the ring size only left this and no more better option cry.gif
Final price sure good to open to all as reference biggrin.gif helping others who may need to refer
Both ring around RM7.2k include the platinum casing.

now suddenly the SA inform me found another which i may interest.
spec as below.

RIng C : HCA score 1.5
user posted image

Price to top up 400 but can get bigger sizes drool.gif
dunnoe got such good deal or not... confused.gif

but this ring bigger 4 sizes...which i also worry the resizing issue...
i saw my friends after resize become a bit odd shape...like cut at bottom and force clip the cutting end...
while left and right case looks bending and not round curve already

wondering do really the width & length different 0.25mm very much? if nt comparing side by side...
DjS
post Oct 1 2017, 11:48 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
49 posts

Joined: May 2011
QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Oct 1 2017, 12:25 AM)
Recently another bro just asked about Estrella so I know lor. Some more this kind of proportions usually belong to Hearts and Arrows diamond. And Estrella is one of them. Ok, so for this stone... It is pretty good. In fact, it may have the best fire because of the steep crown angle and the smaller table. If size is your main criteria then it is fine, but as mentioned before, some said IGI is more lenient in terms of colour (not sure about clarity though). However IGI Hong Kong seems to be quite reputable and according to what I read on PriceScope (a popular diamond forum), it is quite on par with AGS. But then, Estrella should be graded by IGI Antwerp, and colour may be a bit lenient. Heck, even AGS can be more lenient compared to GIA by a grade or two in terms of colour(according to some people, but to me it is still on par to me, some GIA stones even goes a colour grade lower when graded by AGS), but they are better in terms of cut and clarity. I have to emphasize this is what I have read online, not looking at the diamonds myself. I am just sharing what I know and what I find makes sense to me, but for whatever we read online, do take it with a pinch of salt. wink.gif

So, my view is - Get the D colour diamond. So even if there is really a colour difference compared to GIA, it may still be quite colourless. Also, you won't have to worry about resizing. As for size, it should be noticeable but then I think D colour is more tempting. Have you checked with them whether they can cast you a new platinum ring? In case you want the F VS1? I seriously won't recommend resizing a ring. It is like car bumper kena hit and then go to the workshop and reshape it. It will most likely won't look or feel the same.

As for size, it may be noticeable, maybe slightly. Just get the 3 rings snd view yourself bro.wink.gif

Lastly, the price is not cheap. You can get AGS graded stones online at a better price. But then, Diamond & Platinum can provide you one-stop service, so is give and take. If you set your eyes on Estrella and need further help, I am all ears. Good luck!

p.s. You bring your gf along?
*
just came back..
i use diamdb try have digital impression on the size variance 1st. basically seems the same...one round smaller only
Comparison <link
user posted image

I would probably take Opt 1 0.301 carat one due to the D color, so even if is graded by GIA to E or F...still colorless and bring more brighter sparks. Somemore its within 62% depth and 35% crown angle biggrin.gif
i checked with them already, they dont change the ring while the ring is fixed together with diamond in set. However they can resize for us foc.
But its talking abt 4 size to downsize...the design dunnoe will run or not. Somemore i source platinum resize unlike whitegold, it will leave a cut mark and more complex a bit to resize compare to whitegold.

still waiting they arrange all 3 rings to the outlet then made the final decision.
See by naked eyes and the H&A scope then made final decision.
Just hope the inclusion of Ring A wont cause any issue. as hv 2 crystal marking on table...

ok...so to your question. tongue.gif
actually i pretend jalan jalan then windows see see PohKong hemera then the SA drag us into and talk a lot.
then she get hyped & tempted and caused these few weeks when walking in mall she had windows shopping Tomei, Love&Co, Sk & D&P. However she get attracted by D&P diamond due to fire sparkling more than other brand & the classic 4'prong palm holding design.
So i just lock on this brand...too bad too late to get to know this thread.
If nt sure get from whiteflash as it can view all images then customize D&P's platinum ring design setting.

I guess if i took option 0.301carat, i would be paying extra 2k? compare using eportal ie. whiteflash + customize platinum setting. cry.gif

But as long as during i propose i see her happy face then what also worth alrd. biggrin.gif
counting down to nov...

This post has been edited by DjS: Oct 2 2017, 12:29 AM
DjS
post Oct 2 2017, 10:49 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
49 posts

Joined: May 2011
QUOTE(bb100 @ Oct 2 2017, 10:59 AM)
If resize like half size or one size then OK. Resize sampai 4 sizes better not man. Cuz someone posted on this thread a few months ago about a terribly done resizing job by a local jeweller. Totally ruined his ring design and on top of that, his ring became like an egg shape.
*
yes bro...i also quite worry on this.
So i will give up the ring 2 & ring 3 alrd.
Hopefully Ring 1 fire brilliance excellent so blink till cant notice the size of the stone biggrin.gif


Dont know why D&P dont sale their "estrella stone" in loose and giving the flexibility for ring matching
Like being force to buy the diamond due to the ring only. ranting.gif

just dont get it, why the SA over there very confident keep on saying no worries abt resizing, ring its even can reduce to size 7 also no problem.
then i start wondering must b sifu inside very pro bruce.gif
heard they not using burn while they using latest laser. so no worry on the sizing matters.

But even so...i still worry...base on the egg shape in previous pages the apparent... doh.gif

This post has been edited by DjS: Oct 3 2017, 12:44 AM
DjS
post Oct 4 2017, 10:08 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
49 posts

Joined: May 2011
QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Oct 3 2017, 01:10 AM)
If they sell as loose diamond, one may be able to see the hearts and there might be a chance that the hearts are not as good to that person who view it, and this may make it harder to sell. Anyway, I still think if the H&A is that good, they should either photograph it or display it on the report. Hearts is the hardest thing to get correctly IMO, don’t be fool by the statement that perfect arrows equals perfect hearts, that is quite bullshit. I have heard that from some other brand.
*
Yes agreed!
just walking yesterday see loose diamond at wxxxxxx see hows it goes
most of their stones can see heart & arrow. the spec also within thier so call ideal % of table, angle, depth
but just dunnoe somehow or rather still not that fire brilliance compare to i saw at D&P the 0.3carat one.
then i just check out GIA info to check out HCA...omg...exceeded 3points somemore

So even its 3ex and even its within so call perfect %. but yet the combination each of % also cause the fire brilliance of itself o...
GIA info as below:
user posted image

cannot just depends on the % range. also need check out scoring

This post has been edited by DjS: Oct 4 2017, 10:09 AM
DjS
post Oct 4 2017, 12:15 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
49 posts

Joined: May 2011
QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Oct 4 2017, 10:50 AM)
Are their Hearts & Arrows consistent? Or just showing a pattern of Hearts & Arrows? What is their definition of ideal cut?

Btw, can't see the photobucket that you uploaded. Perhaps you may want to attach straight away right here or share the GIA number.
*
Consistant H&A but they only using H&A scope. Too bad dont hv view from the ideal scope

GIA No 3265325605

Their definition of Ideal Cut is A bove of ideal cut. lol...
I cant rmb clearly but their table, depth, crown & pav angle all is within ideal % range. They got a board list out all other brand round diamond ideal cut % range. Forget to snap down....

This post has been edited by DjS: Oct 4 2017, 12:16 PM
DjS
post Oct 5 2017, 05:27 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
49 posts

Joined: May 2011
QUOTE(OmiCatFace @ Oct 5 2017, 04:40 PM)
Hi guys. I am interested in buying a proposal ring right now. Need it by mid-December before I head to US. Therefore, all the inputs here by sifu will be very useful to me.

To start it off, before coming here, I have go around in MV-Gardens to survey for the diamond rings. Tomei, Goldheart, Love&co, Wah Chan, Poh Kong and Le Lumiere. From the 1st 2 shops, I still wasn't sure want I wanted in a diamond. Luckily, I met some good sales person who willing to explain to me all the 4C and also their products. At first, I set my minimum diamond as colour E, clarity VVS2, 3Ex cut and 0.4 carat; budget RM6k. But after going through the few initial shops, I realised that with that budget, I am unable to achieve that kind of diamond spec I wanted.  Then I went on to do my own 'homework' by researching and reading about diamonds. I learned that with limited budget, you can't always get the best of all 4C. Also putting Cut > Carat > Colour > Clarity as my priority. I have friends that disagree that cut should not be the most important of all 4C. Some said carat, some said colour and clarity. After all the readings and surveying, I still believe Cut is the most important factor for a good diamond. I remembered someone mentioned that "Cut is King", and I totally agree with that. No matter how big or how clear your diamond is, if it don't sparkle or shine brilliantly, it is not a perfect diamond for me.

Now, after all the above, I have now set my new minimum for a diamond; Cut has to be perfect, around 0.4 carat (+/-), clarity SI1 and colour G with budget >RM7k (including the ring). I am not sure if I can be getting this with this kind of budget. So far, I know Le Lumiere has the closest but with lesser carat (GIA 5256615959) and color (GIA 7261392761). Both are RM6688 and RM6388 respectively. Love&co, the specs might be lower if not mistaken but compared with Le Lumiere I saw, the diamond performance are better than Love&co; sparkles more brightly. Another option is to go for diamond and ring separately (like in Wah Chan). I looked for JannPaul and Brian Gavin; I have to say their diamond looks amazing (thou by picture and videos only) and it fulfill my requirements of good cut (Hearts and Arrows).

Here begins my headache moments. Although my gf once told me to decide on the diamond ring, I am unsure if I should go for those ready made well-known diamond ring brand (like Love&co, Hemera, Le Lumiere and etc) or should I go for those customize diamond and ring (like Brian Gavin, Audrey, Wah Chan, JannPaul and etc). Ladies and guys thinking may be a bit different you see... guys are more to technical stuff than just looking at brand (specs, performance, etc) while ladies usually go for brand (Tiff&co, Love&co, etc).

Any opinion or suggestion based on the above? If I were to order those diamonds from Brian Gavin for example, you think it can fit my budget and enough time to do the setting as well? Thought of JannPaul too but I don't know if can fit my budget as well. Worry if I go SG then end up with failure. Hope all the sifu here can give me some guidance.  notworthy.gif  icon_question.gif
**Sorry to keep this one so long. I just hope my scenario here can help others as well when comes to decide on the proposal ring**  cool2.gif
*
Technical wise i not that pro but thru HCA scoring GIA52xxx perform better. But since ur budget alrd abv 6k & closw to 7k, shld put clarity least VS1 & color at 1st grade between D-F. But the GIA52xxx color is G shld be also colorless with naked eye tongue.gif just the clarity is SI1 personally not really suggest since alrd paying so much...

I also just made my decision opt for Diamond Platinum Estrella same 0.3carat of your diamond also. But Color is D clarity is VS1. Cost me Rm7.2k after disc, yet ring is platinum so can feel the weight also. Due i need it in Nov so i worry no time order from whiteflash or Jannpaul while customize ring.

Or u wanna check out Diamond Platinum Estrella also? If u in rush need it. Range abt 7k for 0.3carat D/E color with VS1/2 spec. U can check out outlet at 1U, their service quite good compare to midvalley. If u wan the SA who served me i can pm u.

The Gardens now hv Love & Co roadshow till 8oct. U can take a look? Mayb got discount more?

If u hv time mayb really can consider whiteflash, as they hv view of diamond & scope performance also. Sifu kambingkoh may advice u better and whr to get customize ring:) really sifu... haha

This post has been edited by DjS: Oct 5 2017, 05:48 PM
DjS
post Oct 10 2017, 10:39 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
49 posts

Joined: May 2011
QUOTE(rickk @ Oct 10 2017, 06:05 PM)
Aww thanks for the great detail recommendations. Will look into all these beauty...

However, jsut now went to Wah Chan. Found out their price is better compare with Goldheart and D&P. But then I see few pcs of arrows not really clear. eg. 0.31ct, E, SI1 with ring about 5k+.
*
Bro...Wahchan u really need check their GIA and calculate their scoring o. I went mid valley last week out of score, mayb tats y i feel like not sparky not blink blink...

U didnt check out D&P estrella series?


By the way sifu kambingkoh, i just collected mine estrella of 0.301 alrd smile.gif . Done comparing both the 0.301(M3B91108) & 0.334(M3B91303) actual ring at the outlet which last last week posted here discussed...notice that bigger ring size casing will also bigger seems will create "bigger" diamond effect o...but 0.301 one seems more sparky so remain my initial option smile.gif

Counting down counting down for the big day! lol...
DjS
post Oct 11 2017, 09:42 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
49 posts

Joined: May 2011
QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Oct 10 2017, 11:07 PM)
Pic lehhh
*
The photobucket seems can scrap alrd...dunnoe why cannot uploaded post to here will become null images -.-...

 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.2261sec    0.57    7 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 14th December 2025 - 11:32 AM