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post May 5 2014, 07:40 PM, updated 11y ago

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It seems like they emphasise a lot on Bahasa Baku and it sounds more formal.

Oh, their news programmes are already broadcasted in HD.


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For 2015 news clips, please proceed to post #44.

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post May 5 2014, 07:42 PM

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Better backdrop and overall presentation
Tv3 is utter rubbish, look also macam mau tukar channel
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post May 5 2014, 07:43 PM

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while in malaysia ...... bahasa baku > bahasa malaysia > bahasa melayu > bahasa krony tongue.gif
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QUOTE(leetan33 @ May 5 2014, 07:40 PM)
It seems like they emphasise a lot on Bahasa Baku and it sounds more like Bahasa Indonesia.

Oh, their news are already broadcasted in HD. 


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been there, done that
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post May 5 2014, 07:48 PM

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Better backdrop and overall presentation
Tv3 is utter rubbish, look also macam mau tukar channel
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post May 5 2014, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(altimi @ May 5 2014, 07:43 PM)
what is wrong with melayu video? watermark penuh sini sana..

my advise:
watermark lainkali bagi fullscreen terus lah!!! mad.gif
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post May 5 2014, 07:49 PM

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Gerek gerek gerek seh gerek gerek! brows.gif
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post May 5 2014, 07:51 PM

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post May 5 2014, 07:58 PM

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QUOTE(zenyusof @ May 5 2014, 07:49 PM)
Gerek gerek gerek seh gerek gerek! brows.gif
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what does it mean?
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post May 5 2014, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(leetan33 @ May 5 2014, 07:58 PM)
what does it mean?
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Meleis Singapork like to say gerek seh. For me, it means like best or cool. Seh is just like gila. So gerek seh = hebat/best gila

Johor pipul also got use this sometimes.

gerek /ger-rerk, ˈɡɛrɛk̚/ n. [poss. < Mal. gerek, menggerek bore, drill a hole; or var. of gerang eagerness, keenness, zest (Wilkinson)] Mal. slang Style.
1991 Valerie Tan The Straits Times (Section 3), 9 August, 19 gerek – style.

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post May 5 2014, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(zenyusof @ May 5 2014, 08:02 PM)
Meleis Singapork like to say gerek seh. For me, it means like best or cool. Seh is just like gila. So gerek seh = hebat/best gila

Johor pipul also got use this sometimes.

gerek /ger-rerk, ˈɡɛrɛk̚/ n. [poss. < Mal. gerek, menggerek bore, drill a hole; or var. of gerang eagerness, keenness, zest (Wilkinson)] Mal. slang  Style.
1991 Valerie Tan The Straits Times (Section 3), 9 August, 19 gerek – style.

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post May 5 2014, 08:04 PM

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QUOTE(leetan33 @ May 5 2014, 07:40 PM)
It seems like they emphasise a lot on Bahasa Baku and it sounds more like Bahasa Indonesia.

Oh, their news are already broadcasted in HD. 


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bahasa indonesia more pasar than this, imo Singapore's BM is the best BM in SEA. But still I hate Stinky Meleis posers~ whistling.gif
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post May 5 2014, 08:04 PM

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kinda sounds like an indon who has been living in malaysia for many yrs
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QUOTE(MsGaijin @ May 5 2014, 08:04 PM)
bahasa indonesia more pasar than this, imo Singapore's BM is the best BM in SEA. But still I hate Stinky Meleis posers~ whistling.gif
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post May 5 2014, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(jonny4 @ May 5 2014, 08:04 PM)
kinda sounds like an indon who has been living in malaysia for many yrs
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Kind of, but old Suria newscasters, you can really hear the BAKUness of their BM. (Reminds me of TV Pendidikan shows in the 90s)


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post May 5 2014, 08:12 PM

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post May 5 2014, 08:12 PM

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QUOTE(MsGaijin @ May 5 2014, 08:10 PM)
Kind of, but old Suria newscaster, you can really hear the BAKUness of their BM.

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i wanna correct my previous post.

it actually sounds like an indon person who is speaking malay to a malaysian. my indon contractor sounds lidat when he talks to us.
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QUOTE(jonny4 @ May 5 2014, 08:12 PM)
i wanna correct my previous post.

it actually sounds like an indon person who is speaking malay to a malaysian. my indon contractor sounds lidat when he talks to us.
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Yeah, sound like indon. I prefer our local news like that
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QUOTE(jonny4 @ May 5 2014, 08:12 PM)
i wanna correct my previous post.

it actually sounds like an indon person who is speaking malay to a malaysian. my indon contractor sounds lidat when he talks to us.
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Still the same, like my grandfather's neighbour in Geylang, he's a 2nd gen Indonesian from Java, his wife is a local. Whenever we have conversations with his family, his wife and children speak distinctively Stinkaporkean BM, but his BM is more like an Indonesian still learning the local BM accent.
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post May 5 2014, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(dejavu99 @ May 5 2014, 08:48 PM)
inb4 melayu sg ditindas who cares whistling.gif leetan33
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To know the difference between Bahasa Baku and Bahasa Melayu, just compare the Malay spoken by Mat Sabu (PAS) and Azmin Ali (PKR)




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post Sep 8 2014, 11:15 PM

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Malaysian BM, is Riau Malay slang mostly.

Bahasa Indonesia however, is Malay language with really heavy javanese accent. (R is like grrrrrr, and L is more like the sanskrit e-L)

Fun fact korean pronounciation of L is similar to the sanskrit way.
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post Sep 8 2014, 11:19 PM

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Still waiting local channels to broadcast in hd..... Watch it in big led no syiok
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Malaysia use rempit BM

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post Sep 8 2014, 11:27 PM

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what's the point of bahasa baku in the first place?
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post Sep 8 2014, 11:28 PM

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you haven't listened to Brunei Malay, with that Kedayan slang



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QUOTE(MsGaijin @ May 5 2014, 08:04 PM)
bahasa indonesia more pasar than this, imo Singapore's BM is the best BM in SEA. But still I hate Stinky Meleis posers~ whistling.gif
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then you should stop watching their soap opera and start listening to their news channel...
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it is all about slang.
kau mesti tak pernah dengar brunei punya bahasa melayu kan?
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QUOTE(cadburypicnic @ May 5 2014, 03:09 PM)
As a Malay I feel disappointed when local tv stations stopped using bahasa baku in their news programmes.
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Wow I haven't watched tv in years, when did they stopped using bahasa baku for news?

Edit: Anyway, sounds a lot like our local newscaster (that I remember speaking in bahasa baku). But a bit rougher, and yeah slightly like Indon.

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QUOTE(coyouth @ Sep 8 2014, 06:27 PM)
what's the point of bahasa baku in the first place?
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If I'm not mistaken it's supposed to be the "proper" and "correct" BM, since in BM words are generally pronounced how they are spelt.

"A" is always pronouced as in "car", not as in "fur".

So for education purposes, everyone learns the standardised BM pronunciation. And techinally, it's considered more formal compared to the normal pronunciation which do sound a bit too casual.
Just like in English newscaster don't use contractioncs (ain't, hasn't, won't). Even in Chinese, if you look at the choice of words for newscasters in Mandarin and Cantonese, they will omit the suffixes like "lah" etc aa well as the choice of words they used.
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Bahasa baku sounds better yo...
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QUOTE(samteng @ Sep 8 2014, 11:08 PM)
To know the difference between Bahasa Baku and Bahasa Melayu, just compare the Malay spoken by Mat Sabu (PAS) and Azmin Ali (PKR)




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Bahasa baku is not all about the pronunciation, it's also about the grammar.
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how bout this? u guys understand anot? hmm.gif


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QUOTE(jonoave @ Sep 9 2014, 06:16 AM)
Wow I haven't watched tv in years, when did they stopped using bahasa baku for news?

Edit: Anyway, sounds a lot like our local newscaster (that I remember speaking in bahasa baku). But a bit rougher, and yeah slightly like Indon.
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QUOTE(leetan33 @ Sep 8 2014, 04:42 PM)
Differing views on the use of bahasa baku pronunciation (25th January 2000)

By Sutung Umar Rs

THE Cabinet last week decided that bahasa baku pronunciation will no longer be used in the field of broadcasting because it was confusing and did not reflect the reality of Malaysian society.

This then was followed by another that bahasa baku would also be abolished in schools. The directive has brought about differing views on the issue.

In schools, the baku pronunciation is only used in the oral examinations. In daily conversations, however, pupils and teachers seldom use it.

The use of bahasa baku was first mooted in 1956 at the third Kongres Bahasa dan Persuratan Melayu (in Singapore and Johor Baru) which strongly proposed phonetic pronunciation of words to correspond with their spelling.

For almost three decades, the use of baku pronunciation had stagnated although the DBP Ordinance 1959 (Amendment 1972) stipulated that one of the
objectives of the institution was to "streamline spelling with phonetic pronunciation."

However, in 1984, the Information Ministry announced that RTM would implement the baku pronunciation but the plan did not materialise.

When the new secondary school curriculum (KBSM) was drawn up, bahasa baku came to the fore again with the announcement that it would be implemented
during the 1988 second school term.

According to some language practitioners, there was a lot of confusion when it was implemented due to various problems.

Among them, the move did away with dialects and disrupted communication flow; caused difficulty in understanding; erosion of the Malaysian identity only to be replaced by strong Indonesian influence, besides it being against the linguistic principle that "language is speech."

In theory, a lot of arguments can be put forward in favour of bahasa baku but from the practical side there are too many weaknesses and confusion.

For example, in schools, the baku pronunciation is only used during oral examinations but even that is not strictly enforced.

Furthermore, class teachers especially those teaching Bahasa Melayu and Malay Literature, generally do not use bahasa baku.

Another problem in the implementation of bahasa baku is the use of words of English origin such as industri (industry) and produk (product), the pronunciation of which sound odd.

There would be further confusion in the use of bahasa baku pronunciation for Islamic (Arabic) terms.

Another observation is that certain words such as "putih" and "bersih" are also not pronounced as they are spelt out in bahasa Indonesia.

Perhaps, there are other reasons for the recent decision.
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Based on the date of this report, I presume that it was stopped in early January 2000.
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QUOTE(leetan33 @ Sep 9 2014, 07:21 AM)
Based on the date of this report, I presume that it was stopped in early January 2000.
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Thanks for the quoted article. didn't come across that.

Hm, interesting that I was still in school back in 2000 but have not heard any teachers changed their teaching or mentioned this change.
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QUOTE(jonoave @ Sep 9 2014, 03:03 PM)
Thanks for the quoted article. didn't come across that.

Hm, interesting that I was still in school back in 2000 but have not heard any teachers changed their teaching or mentioned this change.
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Neither did it. I can't recall anything about that too.
Back to the topic. In 1993, Singapore’s Ministry of Education launched its standard spoken MalayLanguage program of Program Sebutan Baku Bahasa Melayu which is based on the Malaysian model. In the year 2000, the Malaysian government retracted its support for sebutan baku and returned to using the Johor-Riau spoken variation. In spite ofthis development, Singapore still maintains its support for sebutan baku till today (Source).


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QUOTE(zenyusof @ May 5 2014, 08:02 PM)
Meleis Singapork like to say gerek seh. For me, it means like best or cool. Seh is just like gila. So gerek seh = hebat/best gila

Johor pipul also got use this sometimes.

gerek /ger-rerk, ˈɡɛrɛk̚/ n. [poss. < Mal. gerek, menggerek bore, drill a hole; or var. of gerang eagerness, keenness, zest (Wilkinson)] Mal. slang  Style.
1991 Valerie Tan The Straits Times (Section 3), 9 August, 19 gerek – style.

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"Seh" does not mean "gila" FYI. "Seh" has no meaning like "lah" "loh" "meh" "hor""har". "Seh" is like alternative to "siot" "sial" "siol"
e.g "Gerek siol"

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