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post May 6 2014, 07:59 AM

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Focus too much on scoring goal feast until forgot 3 points is the basic......

The league table basically more the less being cast already.



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post May 6 2014, 08:02 AM

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QUOTE(manx @ May 6 2014, 06:08 AM)
Well... we were robbed multiple times during the past transfer market windows. Its hard to take but those few extra £ million that we are unwilling to pay haunt us back. Anyway, past is past. Lets look forward and wait for the UCL Anthem to be played again in Anfield.
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Don't quite agree on this.
Many previous transfer players may be taken by other clubs, but some of them hardly feature on their respectively club, so basically tell us some story.

It may be blessed for Liv fail to sign those players as well.

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post May 6 2014, 10:32 AM

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There is nothing hurt at all nor any sympathy.

If you can slice open a bus, not good enough for title
If you can't win after leading 3-0, not good enough.
The team simply lack something crucial and class, and nerve to win the title.

Liv is at over-geared to achieve current position, while Mancity is at normal gear.

A 2nd place finish, with just 2 points below the champion is very good achievement.

Mancity deserve to be champion as they are consistent, always win comfortably as compared almost every match was nail biting for Liv.
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post May 6 2014, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(kenlimfornication @ May 6 2014, 10:29 AM)
Seriously, I think the mistake came from Coutinho's sub.

1. His passing was poor coming, not his usual self.
2. He did not track back as what Sterling would have done

Moses seems more effective than Coutinho, at least he tracked back and put pressure on the ball.

Finding the scapegoat in Moses just because he has not been performing in other games and leave nothing on Coutinho is not a fair judgement.

I'm a big fan of Lucas but he was pissed poor last night as well. Seems like he wasn't in the same wavelength with the rest of the guys.

On the bright side, we were 30 odd points behind last season and only scored 40 odd goals this time last year. It has been a good fight, and hope the players and managers learn from this. The fight is not over yet though, anything can still happen to City. Unlikely but possible, just like who would've thought that we will concede 3 in the final 10 mins?
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I would agree on BR made a mess on the sub.
Too focus on goal feast.

When 3-1 with 20~30 mins to go, it is already sending warning signal.
With not much time left, almost impossible to have goal feast again, tighten the midfield, control the match to get 3 points, and if can score, bonus, if can't, just get 3 points.

But still applaud the team spirit to go for it (goal feast), despite an impossible task.

Lucas no longer the same player after return from injury.



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post May 6 2014, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(koolspyda @ May 6 2014, 10:33 AM)
My observation is that that's not Rodgers style. Last season he wanted to be dominant in our possessions and out-posses our opponents statistically. And of course to win the game too.

This season we outscored almost every other team, 2 of our players top scorers in the charts. We have Suarez too obtaining the best assist in the league.

It's the play that we employ. We venture high into opponents half with intensity and overwhelming blitzerg, that leave our opponents in a daze. Rogers needs to plan to play against slow stubborn teams (bus parking ole' jose tactics). Patience in our play is missing.

Rodgers won't drop his believe (gung-ho) and then to play plan B.  That's not Rodgers style
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Even Skrtel is the top defender scorer. thumbup.gif

Early season, Liv did park the bus and win 1-0.
Against Norwich, when 3-2, also put 5 defenders on later stage of the match.

Last season, BR concentrated a lot of possession, but didn't get good result.
This year, possession is not priority, but quick passes/pressing, running into space, quick counter attack, score plenty of goals.

Style did change.





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post May 6 2014, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(bearbear @ May 6 2014, 10:53 AM)
obviously he is looking at MC superiority on GD.

yes now we drop the game everyone can say we lost 2 points but seriously 3-0 up in 50+ mins and you know GD will be key to the championship, would you not go for it?
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It is good to see the team going for goal feast when 3-0 after 50+ mins.

But with less that 20+ mins left and conceded a goal, at 3-1, then need to be alert the danger losing the lead.
So when conceded, 3-1, priority should be protect the 3 points.

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Right to go for goal feast when 3-0
But not right to go for it, when 3-1, when just about 10 mins left in normal time.
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post May 6 2014, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(mkaz @ May 6 2014, 01:36 PM)
in carrol and downing we trust!
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Day dream of Mancity win against Villa, but in the last match, Carrol scored the only goal of the match, WH won 0-1.
Then Liv win 1-0 against Newcastle.
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post May 6 2014, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(8sg9ft @ May 6 2014, 02:15 PM)
That bolded statement is very true. Better defensive organization is needed and it has to be done as a unit. Also, I thought BR overloaded on attack too much last night. Yeah, he might be chasing after the 10 goals or what not but letting both full backs push up so much was a gamble too risky in my opinion, especially when Pulis exploited it and sent pacey players on both flanks. Add the fact that Gerrard doesn't cover as much ground as quickly as he did years back and the defence looks absolutely clueless on how to deal with quick counter attacks. And we've been exploited the same way on many occasions during the past 2 seasons that BR has been in charge. BR should take this match as a harsh lesson. Sometimes, he needs to realize that the team needs a breather themselves and gotta slow down the game and hold the ball. Preserve the lead. "Death by football"
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It is understandable to chase after 9 goals feast, take risk when 0-0, 1-0, 3-0 time, but not when 3-1 when left about 10 mins+ to play.

Gerrard is very good is spraying passes, assist in attack, but slow in cover ground, closing down opponent, this is one of weak area that Liv conceding plenty of goals.
You need someone fast to closing down opponent and great reader of the game.
Hamann type of player to protect the backfour is sorely missed.

The team is not good enough to clinch any title with the mindset always try to outscoring opponent, and conceded plenty of goals.
In the history of league even cup, the team manage to clinch trophy always have good defensive record, and one of least conceded goals team.

Know how to score, also need to know how to protect the lead, if not, always nail biting, nervy toward end of the match (happened so many times) that defenders all in chaotic situation.


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post May 6 2014, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(hfi @ May 6 2014, 03:11 PM)
Seriously enough with the defeatist attitude. Not good or consistent enough ? How about 11 games winning streak ? To say otherwise is to rob the players, BR and the staff off all the hardwork and milestones they have set this season.

They have given us joy and made us dream. So ff you had enjoyed large part of the season then you need to suck it up and take the disappointments.

This has been a special season at least for me. It's been an immensely entertaining, upsetting, frustrating and absolutely addictive season. Whatever happens - i am proud to be a Liverpool supporter and more so i am proud of the players, BR, the staffs and all you fine posters who has made this season fun and memorable.

Chin up and let's see us through the season. We've come a long way to be where we are today. Next season we go again!
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Consistently in leaking goals. tongue.gif laugh.gif
Joking only.

They point I bring out for deserving champion material is how to defeat team convincingly, not nail biting almost every matches especially lately, which Liv seems lack of this factor.
But Mancity did.
Compared to 80's, whereby whenever Liv played, fans more and less can expect a win, and win comfortably and fans enjoyed the "show", this is what I called deserving champion materials.
But now, every match, we ponder whether Liv can outscore opponent to win a match or not.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying the 11 games winning streak is not good, it is a good season already.
BR has done a lot of goodwork and over-achieved, but still I see lack of some "class" and character for a league champion.
Hope the team can progress well, as I also know, it is work in progress. icon_rolleyes.gif


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post May 6 2014, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ May 6 2014, 07:25 PM)
luiz suarez tracked back to our own penalty box to defend when we were counter attacked after a corner. anyone confirm this? seen the replay and i think it was him.

he had given it all during the game. another sad week for us.
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Yes I can confirm it, I watched the match early in the morning.

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post May 6 2014, 08:46 PM

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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ May 6 2014, 06:23 PM)
Yeah yeah, dillon's PMS last night was super explosive. tongue.gif

Anyway who knows, maybe the Premier League is emulating the drama in La Liga? City losing to Aston Villa 1-0, anybody? biggrin.gif

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2...tletico-la-liga

To paraphrase the first sentence of the article: "First Chelsea Football Club lost the league, then Liverpool Football Club lost the league, and then Manchester City lost the league. In the end, none of them lost the league."

Highly doubt it though.
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If not mistaken, just months before, JM said, they are not title favourite, as well as both BR and Pellegrine played down title talk.
So nobody want the title... laugh.gif
And Martinez also joked since nobody want, he would like to have it. biggrin.gif
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post May 7 2014, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ May 7 2014, 11:20 AM)
Thing about our defence is it isn't down purely to the players. I think we can all admit that Skrtel has had a solid season over all and so has Sakho so it's a contradiction to say our defence has been crap all season despite conceding goals. Here are a couple of things we need to consider :-

1) When was the last time a team scored the most goals in the league but also conceded the least? I'm sure there are examples but I can't remember. The point I'm trying to make is one Paul Tomkins mentioned; that "we are who we are and not who we're not". Playing attacking football often means you'll be more prone to conceding than a team that parks the bus e.g. Chelsea. We have conceded 26 goals more than them but we've scored 30 more and we find ourselves 2 points ahead of them. The numbers reflect the difference between a more offensive team and a more defensive one. Makes sense doesn't it?

2) A lot of the goals we've conceded have come from defensive errors but at the same time, our centrebacks have largely had good games this season. What gives? Players are usually forced into making mistakes when they are under immense pressure or are left exposed. By pushing players forward we leave gaps at the back for opposition players to run at our defenders and not many centrebacks are comfortable with having forwards running at them. Skrtel and Sakho do well in physical battles but neither is particularly fleet footed. We therefore need to be smarter about when to push forwards in numbers i.e. when the momentum of the game is in our favour), and when to defend i.e. when the opponent catches a gust of wind in their sails. I don't think it's as much a case about having bad defenders than it is about being bad at defending.

In conclusion I'd say it's a case of "live by the sword, die by the sword". We should continue to take the game to teams. It's gotten us where we are today but we also need to realise that we cannot sustain our attacking play for 90 minutes and we need to choose the right times to retreat before going on the offensive again. New defenders aren't going to rectify our porous defence.
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If look at history of league table, the champion most of the time having
1. One of best goal difference
2. One of team the scored the most goal
3. One of least goal conceded

The champion may not the best of 1,2,3 but it won't too far away from it, may ranked in front of the 3 category.

Man Utd did it many times by having the best score and least conceded to crown champion of the league.
Same with Chelsea, Arsenal during its year of invincible.

Liv managed doing it 1 & 2, but not doing well for 3.
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post May 8 2014, 08:00 AM

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QUOTE(BoltonMan @ May 8 2014, 07:53 AM)
Don't give up, 2 years ago final match, qpr also give them a hard time and even take a 2-1 lead ... So anything is possible
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But still the match ended 3-2.

Mancity home form is pretty good and consistently throughout the season, the most WH can do is park the bus and hope Mancity misfiring and ended with 0-0.
The only loss for then entire season was against Chelsea.

They even can win with 10 men.
So they are the deserving champion.

Mathematically is still possible, but very very unlikely.
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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ May 8 2014, 09:03 AM)
Well, money talks.

50million for the owner is like RM5 for us.

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Fined 50 million and can get trophy and become title contender every year, I think many club also want it.

Frankly speaking, my view, the FFP is like toothless tiger.

No money, no talk in modern football.
Players won't stay with low wages, even you are title contender
Good players won't come, even you are title contender.

Arsenal is a good example, despite with good coach and beauty in football, without spending big to bring star player, there is limit how far the team can go.


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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ May 8 2014, 01:33 PM)
lucas probably doesnt deserve it but Couts deserves to be in the squad.. brazil wont win it.
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My view,
Lucas is quite poor since after return from injury. Even not deserving in Liv starting XI.

Coutinho not consistent enough.
Some matches, look like a good playmaker.
Sometimes, seems like disappear from the match.

Blow hot and cold.
At time, guilty of giving ball away easily.
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QUOTE(reehdus @ May 8 2014, 03:37 PM)
We already had one Istanbul this season...Crystanbul against us sad.gif. I'm hoping against hope West Ham will do us a favour...but we need to get the job done against Newcastle first. I'm really nervous about that one...
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The best WH can do bus parking with 0-0, and a draw which is enough for Mancity already as well.

Mancity most of the time, blowed team away in their home match, and only lose once to Chelsea 1-0 for the entire season.
Expect WH win? If WH win, the westanbul is 10x bigger than istanbul, you need more than miracle for it to happen. biggrin.gif

Nervous?
Almost every match lately, also nervous and nail biting one. Ain't you see Liv fans mostly with clean nail nowadays? laugh.gif

Cardiff, need to sweat, before win 6-3
Norwich, 3-2, nail biting at later stage of the match.
Mancity, leading 2-0, and 2-2, before Kompany mis-kick lead to Coutinho's goal
Crystal Palace, leading 3-0, 10 mins conceded 3 times.
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ May 10 2014, 08:24 AM)
Which is why I want wenger's arsenal to win the FA cup. They been castrated for playing good football but poor defending. He wenger has never compromised his philosophy. Jose meanwhile adapted that it's "winning" is all that matters, hence coined the term "specialist in failure" for wenger. I don't doubt Jose is the type with winning mentality to instill on his team. How they both go about it are almost polar opposites.

Rodgers Liverpool this season has been praised for it's attacking and also some critique were at our almost lack of 'defenders' defending. Rodgers would prefer to continue to adopt that strategy (our vs Chelsea game is an example)

Will Rodgers be more pragmatic next season? Or would Jose have another pot shot at Rodgers to be another wenger 2?
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Arsenal actually is not poor defending, they won plenty of 1-0, 2-0 matches, every season you see Arsenal near the top of league table, leading in mid-season, but a lot of time, flattering when crucial time or run in time, especially during around Feb-March period, whereby they have 2 front to compete (CL and league), when matches came thick the fast, a lot of time stumble.
Not the first time, but keep on repeating almost every season for the last few years already.

You need some special players, leader and some star players to carry the team when matter the most.
For eg. Yaya has carried the team well and scored plenty of goals to win matches, Dzeko came to score when Aguero injured during important run in time.
As during run in time, there may be nervy and inexperience that a thin fine line between winning and losing.

So you need some big name/start player to carry the team sometimes, in other word, need to spend some big money to bring those kind of players, as they don't come cheap mostly.

If not Liv willing to spend big on Suarez previously, Liv may still fighting for Europa league place only until now.

So some spending is always needed to bring good player, fresh up the team, replacing aging and stalled players in the team.


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QUOTE(bee993 @ May 11 2014, 12:01 PM)
carroll to score a brace against ct to repeat the best performance he had while with liverpool...wouldnt mind a rare rockect from downing too....n joe cole tap in + nolan thunderbolt....
ct lose to west ham liverpool beat newcastle 3-2 to win title....

bookies happiest day!
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Afternoon day dream... laugh.gif
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QUOTE(shamsul_LP @ May 12 2014, 03:41 PM)
Its not about the mistake in chelsea game. Its about defensive job. No doubt he contribute a lot at the other end but  he doesnt give enough protection to the back 4. He doesnt have enough energy to cover fullback when they goes into opponent half due to aging age. For me the best place for gerrard is further upfront. Lets take the other to do defensive job.
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Actually it is a dilemma situation as well.

Gerrard still very good in delivery diagonal passes, good crosses, and plenty of assist of goals, that still top notch.
But due to age issue, mobility and energy level is not the same anymore. So to play as AM, it needs plenty of energy and cover more ground aka you need to be box to box type of player.
So further upfront is not suitable.

DM seems is the choice.
But Gerrard is not known for DM duty, closing down opponent, read the game and destroy opponent movement.

While his contribution in term of assist of goal, spraying passes still very much needed by the team.


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QUOTE(whitesabre @ May 14 2014, 11:24 AM)
Toure is kinda lousy imo. Every mistakes he made, he'll become demotivated immediately. Remember the mistakes he made earlier in the season? His form and concentration immediately faded. He looks like an old man sitting on the bench reading morning newspaper. We need players who can rebound immediately from their mistakes. As for Skrtel, he's good at scoring goals for both sides. It's dangerous when your defenders score as much own goals as his goals for the team. It's vry costly. I don't think we need Johnson with Flano emerging. Johnson is on a 100k a week and imagine how much talent we can use that for. Wisdom is 21 so he's still ok. Kelly is a decent backup considering his low weekly wages.

Offload Johnson after world cup for 10-15mil, Reina 10mil, Aspas 3mil, Toure 5-7mil, Skrtel 10mil = 38-45mil.  Together with the 60mil warchest we have, should be around 100 mil.

Buy Marshall, heard around 6mil, Caulker 8mil, Lallana 20mil, Reus 25mil, another striker around 20mil. Here we go, 80mil only. Another 20 for maybe Mascherano (9m), and a LB around 11m. Wala good deal.
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I don't think can offload Johnson at 10~15 million considered his age
Same with Reina, don't think can more than 6~7 mil. As buying club will know, the player is a surplus, so buyer has upper hand, somemore Reina is not young anymore.

Somemore, Liv selling record mostly not getting good deal from offloading players, may be except one or two deal only.



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