Hi all, maybe this is off topic.

A queation to all AUTOCAD freelancecs.

One of my uncle's friend ask me to do some AUTOCADing for him.

Here is the car chassic.


What i need to do,
Draw a very DETAILed 3 evolutions for this car chassic for him by using AUTOCAD.
Only car chassic (the frame).

So how much should i charge him ?
First time freelance job, no experience at all so dunno how much should i charge

Thanks for your time

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P/S

Does anyone has the TEMPLATE of agreement for delivering autocad drawing service ?

This post has been edited by imisu29: Jul 30 2006, 12:24 PM

the chassis looks symmetrical, and is made out of identically sized tubings - not much of a hard work

depends on whether u r using an ori autocad or pasar malam punya lar

if u r talking about detailed chassis analysis thru finite element method, itu baru mahal.

if a 3d autocad with crash simulation
lagi mahal..

Nono, just 2D , no 3D

yes, as you said this is not a hard work.

No chassis analysis la, just a normal evelotion
For the AUTOCAD version , i use "emule" version.

So, back to my question , how much should i charge him ?

For me i guess i would charge him around RM100 -RM200/- (':clap:')

Aweeee, what i am thinking of is RM800

This post has been edited by imisu29: Jul 30 2006, 10:53 AM

for me, it doesnt matter if its ur 1st time or not....its about are u capable to deliver the autocad files on time and professionally?

yes? make em 2k...nego nego bla bla bla becomes 1.5 k....coz belive me, its gonna take a looooooong time for him to pay u...

remember, always asked for progress payment in ur werk...

but if u can do dis for 200 buck, pls pm me ur number coz i think i wanna "use" u for a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time after dis ....

Wakakakakaka....
Yeah~! We shared the same thought, my botton line was RM1500..

But after considering this is my first job and lack eof xp, i reduce my price to RM800.
For sure i am confidence enogh to complete the task on time and professionally.

Yo bro, i luv you so much , muacks muacks

Need help..

Does anyone has official TEMPLATE of agreement for delivering autocad drawing service ?

what? rm800 for a 2D drawing is just plain too much lar. if u ralkign about 3D, it's different

even i can only charge rm300 for a detailed floor plan (2D, plan view) of a structure

3D and the analysis is another separate fee though

2D = plain view only ?
Then, Sorry for the misleading,

Then what i need to do is plain view and 3D elevation..
considering the solid isometric tube... and so on.

Somemore i have been told that this is a very beginning stage.
A lot of modification could frequently happen in the near future after i submit the AUTOCAD file.

In order the do some changes on my first submit autocad file, i need to get back to him and modify it at my own cost.



This post has been edited by imisu29: Jul 30 2006, 01:25 PM

Google for a normal design agreement and alter from there..?

if i'm not mistaken doing autocad is like designing something, just that its using a different program for a different purpose. therefore any altered design agreement should suffice.

i'm no engineer but like any other design, I'd tell students or people without working experience to quote lower or at least find out how much other people like yourself are quoting.

if another student can quote your uncle's friend cheaper, you'll be at a lost and your uncle might wonder why you purposely quote so high which in the end spoils a relationship.

anyway, that's what i think.

Hi etsuko, thanks so much for your reply

I would appreaciate if you can share with me your price for doing this job.
Because i got quite confused now , Some said 100-200, some said RM1500-2000.

Considering the time and effort that i am going to spend on it, the price in my mind is
RM1000+-

Beside paid, What i concern is the experience gained.

FYI, i oledi got my uncle friend's project after paid an on-site survey.
Just dont know how much should i charge him.

if you not sure how much to charge,

then estimate how much time you will spend on doing it and calculate from there.

for sure, you don't want to charge people rm2k for a 2 hour job, and you don't want to charge rm200 for a 2 week job

Some additional info for my uncle friend,

He is rich enough and owns a shell petrol station dealership.
He like to encourge those who wihout exp ( espscially freshy ) to work for him.
He would be very happy if he see you learn something from him.

What he told me last night,

"After all, you go back and think whether if you able to pefrome this,
then quote me a price, if your price is too high, i will bargain, if i think the price is ok, i will pay you before you start your work. I want you to work for design, not work for money, i want to see you in happy mood when you work for me, if you are not happy, i dont think you can come up with a good thing, i rather straight away give you the money and let you happy."

Well.. nice boos huh ?

Agree with what you said

I think if you're still a student, use mclelun's advice.

Even if you're freelancing, use mclelun's advice as well unless you're sure of how much you want to charge.

My advice is that your uncle's friend seems to be a really close to your uncle so he treats you especially nice and tries to teach you the ropes of dealing. To be fair to him, charge RM5-10 per hour and then later this is how you calculate your time.

If your work is done in half an hour, charge for 1 hour and later small little changes you don't have to charge him. If you've been working 6 hours and 10 minutes then don't charge him 7 hours but 6 hours only. If he needs small changes, do it because you're a pro and shouldn't take long. However, if you feel that it's changes you'll be spending at least half an hour on then let him know you'll need to charge him an extra hour.

Being a freelancer or taking on open projects is risky in terms of changes if clients only pay a one sum fee because they might just use it to their advantage. It's a Malaysian culture thing and sometimes they themselves don't realize anymore.

Hope that helps.

Cheers.

@estuko: u have to bear in mind that professional charged is only viable if you have a reputable company, take blame for design error and runs the design on LEGITIMATE autoCAD copy (not crack, ehem ehem or student version punya)

trivia: AutoCAD LT (only 2D) costs rm 1,500+

AutoCAD full version (3d capable) = upwards of 10k for one license

now, that explains why professional fee is expensive

if its going to be 3 piece final print out work...
and if you can get it done by 2 full day work

the price of RM 550 should be reasonable for a freelancer.

One thing about freelancer charges, it should be cheaper than those professional with companies attached.

first, your overhead charges are lower, you only spend your time on the PC plus some electricity bills...

and if you are only going to just burn on the CD to pass the final works to him, you only had additional RM 1 or less for the CD cost...
unless, you need to print them out for him, then you have to add those cost for the papers and inks....

probably, its time you should come up with a graph...
your time - how much time u spend on working on that thing = ur pay
cost involves - what things you used that involves in getting the final work done

that should helps you give better quotation.

and lastly,
even if he is related to you. But if your price is good and reliable,
think that there would be more contacts coming your way = more $$$

words spreads by mouth.

Imagine your uncle having some mamak session with his friends, and his friends tells him about some works he needs drawing done. And then they your uncle tells him how much u charge. And you were way cheaper than the one he is getting from some one else...

then, voila ! you got a new contact coming your way...

thats how business grow...

just to think the time wasted haggling over reasonable price in this thread, i'd rather waste that time drafting the drawing