Armor = AR..both works exactly the same, i.e reduce damage taken. I believe Quazacolt explained before where for damage mitigation computation, Armor and AR are multiplicative hence, no difference if you chose 1 over the other.

For monks Armor are not as good as AR as our MoH only works to boost AR unlike warcry. Also, contrary to popular believe, monks are not getting 8-10k Armor for free, that is exchange for dodge. Also, With STI rework..monk's base armor will probably be at 6k. Hence, with the dex = armor , Monk's total armor will be about 15k.

Hence with the rework on OWE with 30% AR, the net effect is monk is being nerfed.

Again, while the Ramen set boost was a step forward, this rework of OWE is 2 steps backwards.

TLDR , Blizzard don't give a F&@$ on monks..

+1

my thoughts exactly Electro..on the philosophy of monk. Funny a lot people will come back and say..hey monk are not supposed to be super tankers.....

But the irony is that the meta game forces monks to be the ultimate tanker due to low DPS output. Like u said, monks are forced to CS + EP in high Torments.

To CS, i.e to pull mobs in...requires high mitigation as you are inviting damage and not avoiding it. Hence, so many monks just abandon DPS and go for high EhP aka ZDps build.

Sad to see the issue of dps is not address but to dex=armor is as someone mentioned a copout. Might as well change dex to str and monks just use str as main stats.

Aleune..for whats is worth..unless you grind like mad eg cow to get almost perfect secondary res on all BiS gears, to stack AR via OWE on monk has the effect of LOW dps. Sure to get to 2k AR on monk is not that hard..but the trade off is DPS..and lots of DPS.

Do you know how hard it is to get a SoJ with secondary res? Or a TWH for the same. Or a DPS ammy with secondary res?

That is why most monks craft because they just cant get drops which correlates with the secondary res. Also part of the reason why OWE is being rework due to this reason.

To put it short, you imply that monks can be tough. But that is in exchange for DPS (unless you are cowithgun).
The underlying issue is not purely on toughness. It is the toughness /DPS balance.

Your point that Bliz is trying to fix monk's toughness is not completely correct. As I pointed out, monks don't have a problem with toughness ...eg ZDps. To be perfectly honest, Monks ARE ultimate tankers, but can only do so in exchange of DPS.

The underlying issue is because monks lays out too low dps ---> takes longer to kill ---> need more mitigation ----> squishy.


Hence Dex = Armor is not a desired solution, since the underlying issue is DPS.

Gym...to be honest, I really don't want more toughness...........I actually dislike to play CS-EP monk. I have to because if I don't I feel like I leech in t5-6.

I don't want to CS anything to me. I want to pow wow and smackdown the Elite. Not by tagging it with EP and Crowd Control the rest and waiting for A Crusader to mow down with shotgun or a Jade docs to harvest.

If that is how monks supposed to be played, whats the difference with the monk and scoundrel (with cannot die token)

Which in fact..it was killed by 3 other members ..lol

But the new passive looks promising ..20% more damage to stun/frozen mobs..maybe can increase sme much need dps. Also the depth diggers is very welcomed.

The pleasure was all mine cow.

You have been a great role model to lots of monks here, a great help to many of us with sharing and throycrafting. Glad to have celebrated the milestone with you.. and cant wait to have youback bro..

Have a good trip yo....pls avoid the deadly curry place ok..

Go here: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/13347184967

Lets give some feed back

Thanks to Miss Kittin for the good post.

Hope that the thread gets enough traffic so the monks can gip some good feedback.

cause.. Don Vu no like monks...transcendence is a gimmick...we monk are ultimate tankers hence no need so much LPPS..

Hehehehe..I know le..I wanted to summon you but felt will be bit to obvious

I was baiting for you to come and comment on it..

But You have a point and I hope more people will latch on to your post

Viable for Torments up to T6. Fist of Az will boost the explosion by up to 100% thus can get up to 12k% weapon damage.

However, not viable for greater rifts as on you reach G25 above mobs have too much health hence to kill a white mob will take too long.

Lai Lai come back ...not logged in for 15 days liao cow ..

But I agree with your take bro....the buff seems underwhelming....

But its getting there..with 2 hander buff by 23-26% ..and at 960% weapon damage... I can see Bells looking viable again with Monkey garb....maybe interesting ooo.
Clone + 20% damage

FoT is being buffed but WE STILL HATE THE APS wei..freaking slow

Look up ...cowithgun also the same..never abandon monk

HOLY COW...


Finally..some light at the end of the tunnel...

Thank god they finally buffed our generators..............speed....!!! We want speed...

wAk..

Mcm monk kena screwed liao..banyak org QQ kat forum new patch tak address monk issues - DPS!!

REMEMBER MY SON..ROS WAS MEANT FOR CRUSADER...

Cant steal the limelight from Saders can we....?hence Monk is ditirikan la bro. Off topic how are you bro...any new games to recommend ka...

grift 13 can kua TR..lol.....classic hit and run..

1 week liao no log in...no moods liao..see monk hampa liao...haihhhh

Kukri? chances you cowithgun getting married higher than finding a SMK..

Actually we have some kickarse items : Fist of Az and sledgefist....but it was too OP in team play hence was nerfed to oblivion. Just like how Furnace was killed off and Rimeheart too. Catch 22 position, epic legs which are hard to find is nerfed to be non epic, which totally defeats the concept of item hunt.

All I can say is Dong Vu doesn't care....

Ehh I remember Hanzo....wow...that's was like so long ago..

Feel so sad that I don't have the motivasi to click the battlenet apps...

Real sabbatical for my monk...zzzz

Hmm not bad the fist. Can see a build based on SW with Inna's, alablaster glove and that fist. can get up to 10 stack of SW will be quite fun. Just wondering would the cyclone damage scale also?

cow are u going to run seasons?