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 Monk Discussion V7, RoS:The perfection of Seven Sided Strike

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post Oct 10 2014, 06:44 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Oct 10 2014, 05:04 PM)
eh bang, his FD is potentially better than mine and yours hmm.gif
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Already has 10% damage but still just 3.5k so I suspect the base is too low. Even if reroll LPSS to IAS, may gain another 300++ to 3.8k but wasted a stat. That stat could be 1100++ bit or 20k LoH. So, I reckon to farm for a better FD. smile.gif
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post Oct 11 2014, 07:44 PM

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QUOTE(bewd85 @ Oct 11 2014, 04:19 PM)
then my FD is still consider weak then?
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the stat are actually pretty decent. but in term of damage, i've seen FD with range from 3.2k to 3.4k based damage so...

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post Oct 13 2014, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(RasWong @ Oct 13 2014, 08:49 AM)
Hi asking all sifu, should i change the weapon out but there wont be any like per hit left to help and may cause easy die.....

do monk still need any life per hit? my mindset still in old d3 time need life steal to survive as just come back to d3 when the 50% sales.....
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for t6 and below, you dont need LoH. with proper setup, most elite die in 5 seconds.

but before you reach that stage, depending on play style, you may need LoH. if you tank a lot (instead of doing burst damage and kite), LoH help. if u use LoH, you may want to switch to DW for faster and more constant LoH. Fist of Thunder is pretty good now (compare to 2.0).

alternatively, i'd say it's pretty safe to opt out LoH in weapon. you can use MoH or BoH to replenish life as most monk do in Sunwuko setup.

Also, dont use Mythic Rhythm if you dont have any Spirit spender like Bell.
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post Oct 13 2014, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(SpikeTwo @ Oct 13 2014, 11:06 AM)
you can get LoH on others like amulets, rings...and even your paragon. my monk only has 10k, so easily die. haha...

btw cow, i tested the Pain Enhancer, loving the speed man. not as boring as taeguk now. not so effective against RG, but other elites and whites...so fun! hehe...
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nice biggrin.gif i haven't test it yet.. good to know it's actually pretty good. i m now levelling my other gem before starting Project 38... will try upgrade Pain Enhancer as well.
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post Oct 13 2014, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(RasWong @ Oct 13 2014, 01:35 PM)
really nice advice thanks,  mind asking what is DW(the faster part),  any suggestion what skill to replace mythic rhythm? thanks sifu
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DW = dual wield. As for passive, you really should use Siege the Initiative. It gives you 30% increase in attack speed.
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post Oct 16 2014, 10:29 AM

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So quiet? Anyway, Project 38 in operation! Now upgrading low level key. Taking forever...

Had this really good density grift 33, managed to upgrade to grift 37 by completing it in less than 8 mins (no pylon) tongue.gif At grift 33, I can forgo some defense so I was using MoC.



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post Oct 19 2014, 08:51 AM

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QUOTE(bewd85 @ Oct 18 2014, 10:32 PM)
kinda stuck at greater rift 33 now....cant go beyond greater rift 4 due to low damage
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Look for Eye of Peshkov, using Infused with Light should increase your damage quite a bit. But that also mean you gonna need a pretty good Sunwuko amulet...

however, i think a good map can make up for that. just keep trying.
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post Oct 23 2014, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(deathTh3Cannon @ Oct 23 2014, 10:55 AM)
feel you.. climbing leader boards not really interest me at all.. when i watch back D2 game play, damn.. how i wish D3 is same.. i mean the environment, the creepy feel..
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i beat my last grift 37 by 3 seconds!!!! (!!!!!!) (exaggeration)



i mean, what else to play? rolleyes.gif

hopefully they have something good for diablo this Blizcon. the schedule is a disappointment...

http://us.battle.net/blizzcon/en/event-info/schedule/friday

Compare to previous year...

http://www.wowhead.com/news=221830/blizzco...hedule-now-live

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post Oct 24 2014, 04:00 PM

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Grift 38: Mission accomplished. Got it on the 9th attempt! (That mean I fail 8 times before this.. sweat.gif)

Note to self:

1. Level 1 is EMPTY! Waste no time on sucky map. Dash to level 2 as soon as you can.
2. Whenever possible, avoid taking down 1 Elite at a time. You must stack them! Found 1 Elite, try get another. Kill both at once!
3. When Epiphany is down, avoid attacking Elite! Go hit some white mob to gain 30% IAS (Siege the Initiative) or go find other Elite

Most importantly... keep trying until you get a GOOD DENSITY MAP!

Available in 720p.


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post Oct 29 2014, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(Ricgatebecko @ Oct 28 2014, 06:24 PM)
Most impressive my man rclxms.gif Still remember our conversation about solo high GR for melee, proud of you cow~!
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thanks. blush.gif really tough for melee... most time consuming part is actually upgrading the keys...
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post Nov 1 2014, 04:36 PM

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been traveling a bit... but i still login whenever i can...

btw, why is it no XP bonus for American server while Asia server got 100% xp and gold?

http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/...-3-expgold-buff

http://kr.battle.net/d3/ko/blog/16576901/

ps: correction, 100% bonus is ON

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post Nov 8 2014, 11:07 AM

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Some new info pop up after the first D3 panel in Blizzcon:

http://www.diablofans.com/news/48250-blizz...he-diablo-panel

Ancient items seem interesting. I hope they don't limit it specific item coz my Sunwuko Paw is my best gear... though i never gonna replace it anymore...

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Changes to Sunwuko set:

Sunwuko Set:
2P: Casting Cyclone Strike, Exploding Palm, Lashing Tail Kick, Tempest Rush or Wave of Light causes a decoy to spawn that taunts nearby enemies and then explodes for 1000% weapon damage.
4P: Enemies hit by the decoy explosion take 500% from your Cyclone Strike, Exploding Palm, Lashing Tail Kick, Tempest Rush or Wave of Light abilities for 3 seconds.


Look like nerf to me... rclxub.gif

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post Nov 10 2014, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(huoshenfeng124 @ Nov 9 2014, 10:34 AM)
didn't quite get it the meaning for the 4p buff hmmm
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4p bonus mean, your CS, Palm, TR and Bell will be 5 times more powerful! It looks good but in reality those skill required animation and most likely you can only cast them 2 times in a second. Personally, I think a well genwuko build can deal more damage than that since there is no animation in casting SW and Mantra which can protect you at the same time.

QUOTE(pangke @ Nov 10 2014, 08:30 AM)
guys, what will give me a higher DPS?
a boost in the elemental damage or crit chance?
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This post give you idea on how to calculate those. In my case, 20% elemental damage is slightly better than 10% cc. Moreover, in genwuko build (and mirinae) all my damage are from holy.

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=70455919

QUOTE(gnuix @ Nov 10 2014, 09:26 AM)
monk loses its dmg again. sad.gif
but no more 75 spirit needed.. hmm.. inna 3 set + sunwuko 3 set.. meaning can let go the 2 spirit re-gen passive skill.. can spam cyclone strike like mad.. hmm.. got good and bad..
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The good... I can finally use all my paragon point in Utility tab... still the new set cannot be weaker than old! i need to farm again... doh.gif
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QUOTE(gladfly @ Nov 10 2014, 04:49 PM)
Farming is your expertise ma...

Lol...how is it going cow..?

Paragon 1k already or not?
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think D3 reached low season again... fewer people online these days... i need to catch up with my paragon level... spending too much time upgrading keys lately... slow already...

pub normal t6 rift = 82 (used to be 1000~)
bounty = 8
grift = 10

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post Nov 11 2014, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(barca @ Nov 11 2014, 11:17 AM)
Cow Cow....barca want to upgrade my old monk

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/barca88...8/hero/26808256
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bro, u left monk for far too long shakehead.gif must upgrade everything!

Helm - Leoric's Crown / Eyes of Preskov / Sunwuko's Helm
Shoulder - Sunwuko's shoulder
Gloves - Sunwuko's gloves
Amulet - Sunwuko's amulet / Hellfire
Chest - Aughild's chest
Bracer - Aughild's bracer with 20% holy
Belt - The Witching Hour
Ring - SOJ + RORG
Pant - Blackthorn / Deepth Digger
Boot - Blacthorn / Crudest Boot
Weapon - The Flying Dragon

Skill, refer here:

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry70134631
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post Nov 13 2014, 11:08 AM

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So quiet... like ghost town...

Why not discuss about the upcoming changes to Sunwuko and "Ramen" set?

New Sunwuko
2P: Casting Cyclone Strike, Exploding Palm, Lashing Tail Kick, Tempest Rush or Wave of Light causes a decoy to spawn that taunts nearby enemies and then explodes for 1000% weapon damage.
4P: Enemies hit by the decoy explosion take 500% from your Cyclone Strike, Exploding Palm, Lashing Tail Kick, Tempest Rush or Wave of Light abilities for 3 seconds.


My observation, the bad:
1. Genwuko is dead. Godamit.
2. No longer give 20% damage when using Daibo. Godamit! Lost DPS!
3. No longer tied to Holy damage. Re-farm / re-craft.
4. Less tanky since we no longer "should" spam mantra

The good:
1. All elements are possible
2. Can sync with Inna set (and Blackthorn if you so incline) which gives 4 mantra
3. DW is now viable with Sunwuko!

Most promising (theoretical) build atm:
1. Cinder-wuko - Fire bell monk
- Cindercoat - reduced fire skill resource by up to 30%! Add fire skill damage by 20%!
- Incense Torch of the Grand Temple - Increase WOL damage by 30%! Reduced spirit cost up to 50%!
- Together with Reduced resource in Paragon level, it is possible to build a non-spirit generator bell spamming Sunwuko!
- In fact, based on the new bonus is the Sunwuko, there is really does not make sense to use any generator.
- So, spirit region gears will be important too.
- Another item to keep for this build is T'Zo Krins Gaze - which can grant another 25% bell damage.
- Gameplay is mostly just spam bell! To hell with weak spirit generator sweat.gif

So, make sure you keep those cindercoat / Incense, etc just in case...

2. EP may make a come back
- Madstone...
- Especially with Gungdo gear which trigger EP in EP explosion. Too bad this will be season only.

New Ramen set
2-piece Set: The damage of your Spirit Generators is increased by 100%.
4-piece Set: The third hit from your Spirit Generators grants a charge of Dashing Strike and the amount of charges Dashing Strike can store is increased by 5.
6-piece Set: After using Dashing Strike, your Dashing Strike shocks all nearby enemies for 3000% weapon damage as Lightning.


Although I like to punch thing and DW, I really don't think this set can match Sunwuko. Generator, even with 100% buff and another 100% from Depth Digger, are still weak. Based on my testing with the 100% Depth digger previously. More importantly, I hate Ping pong play style, even more than Sunwuko mantra spamming.
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post Nov 13 2014, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 13 2014, 11:18 AM)
i'll still be going dual wield.
staff is just not my thing.

the irony of it all? i still haven't gotten my 6 piece raiment set bonus doh.gif
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yeah, sometimes, fun factor is more important than efficiency.

saw u online the other day. smile.gif

ps: new Sunwuko set should be quite viable with DW as well.

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post Nov 13 2014, 07:17 PM

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QUOTE(metalfreak @ Nov 13 2014, 12:16 PM)
Guys, for Dual wielding monk...what should the build be? My monk..lightning monk

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Best build atm is still genwuko (sunwuko + generator). This required The Flying Dragon.

You can build a DW Sunwuko setup too. It's not as good as using Daibo since you cannot benefit from the 20% damage in 2p Sunwuko, but the 3500% is still the best damage we have. Especially after the recent 2H patch, it is definitely better than DW. Slow attack speed is not really my thing too. With the proper skill (Siege the Initiative - 30%, Alacrity - 15%, Dashing Strike - Radiance 15%) you wont feel that slow. Things become very fun when FD proc as well.

If you still wanna go DW, you still can with Sunwuko, but limited to Holy element to further increase the damage of the proc.

If you must go with lightning build, you should go for Odyn Son + Thunderfury / WKL / SoH. Both weapon benefit from additional lightning damage. You should use Lightning rune Bell. It offers solid damage. Raiment of Thousand Storm should be the set you should aim for. It offers additional lightning damage and solid DS 3000% as lightning.




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post Nov 14 2014, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(pangke @ Nov 14 2014, 08:45 AM)
i'll stick with my won kim lau and thunderfury...or shard of hate...
which do you guys think is the best combination out of the three weapons?
with WKL i have a 80% lightning damage, without it only 64%
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IMO, a +16% lightning damage in your WKL is pretty weak and not good enough for the proc in Shard of Hate. So, in this case, I would recommend Thunderfury + SoH. But if you can find Odyn Son (quite common), I think it's even better than SoH.
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post Nov 14 2014, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(pangke @ Nov 14 2014, 09:35 AM)
so i should re-roll my WKL to 20% lightning then  biggrin.gif

oh, what attribute does an odyn son has? i think i got one back then but salvaged it  doh.gif
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WKL additional lightning damage can roll to 25%.

Odyn Son proc send a chain lightning that scale with your lightning damage, IAS, CDMG and CC. So, it's pretty strong, especially if you have high DPS.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/odyn-son

Another thing that make it better than SOH is that if there is only 1 target, all 3 hits from chain lightning goes to that guy.

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