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English Clubs Liverpool Kop Talk 2014, Liv 0-2 Chel | Keep Going - YNWA

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post Apr 24 2014, 11:24 AM

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post Apr 24 2014, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(vreis @ Apr 24 2014, 11:47 AM)
Most of the article articulated on the scouting & negotiating but for scouting u edi have Head scouts which normally need final say from manager whether he likes what he see & negotiating u have MD or whatever post so is DoF really needed?
As there's never 2 men with same taste, i doubt a DoF is really relevant & can share the same philosophy. Sure there's a lot of DoF working good but there's a lot not working as well. Take Barca DoF for now, how he fail to sign a CB is beyond everyone & he keep on harping about Barca no need new signings shocking.gif
How abt Man City? Their DoF came from Barca highly rated but apparently its not going well in MC.
How abt spurs, Their DoF appoint AVB & signed countless misfits but left AVB to dry. Did the Dof not responsible for the Spurs mess bearing in mind he chose most of the signings & AVB. Don't u think its a bit unfair for AVB as he bore the brunt of the axe but the responsiblity should be shared by DoF?
Point is DoF is just an redundant post as I can see, just like an agent. their role already covered by existing structure in a club organization. When a post responsibility blurred a clear hierachy, there'll be overlap of functions & there's where probs starts.
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But think about this for a second, Rafa came in and ripped everything Houllier built apart. Rodgers came in and changed a lot of what Rafa built from scouting to the youth team. There is no continuation in that. Who is to say BR won't some day leave us and the foundation he is building here isn't left to rot by his successor? Of course there are bad DoFs so the important thing here is to appoint the right man.

We currently have this "transfer committee" to fill this role but this committee is made up of BR's backroom staff, head of scouting and performance analyst etc. Can you be sure that they won't follow BR out of the club when the time comes (hopefully not)?
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QUOTE(Max_07s @ Apr 24 2014, 11:47 AM)
as far as I remember, the main road is locate at main stand and cetenerary stand. behind kop stand is house area and behind anfield road stand is small shop area (fish and chip). but that area need to develop. very dodgy

I think FSG want to expand it part by part. we will expand after we look the 59k revenue and ticket demand.
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There is no need to wait and see as there the number currently stands at 28,000 on the waiting list. We should be able to fill a 70,000 seater with ease. Only question is how if at all possible can we further expand the stands. Some might not want The Kop changed but I don't see a problem with maybe adding one or maybe even two tiers to it if possible. That would be one intimidating wall of Red.
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QUOTE(vreis @ Apr 24 2014, 12:23 PM)
I can asked abt the same thing abt DoF...every DoF have their own way. What if they left? Its just a cycle that's to be accepted. I'm afraid there's no rught DoF as well as Mgr.
Everyone one have their own idea, that's the way it is unless a club make their structure so rigid that everyone have specific roles. The fame Barca system where everything is in house also faced these problems.
As for the transfer committee probs, the next mgr coming in will have new staff but tell me which club dont? Moyes replaced all the existing coaches but which new mgr doesn't? All mgr want their own types of players & staff. That is why constantly there'll be changes as football nowadays is dynamic. Imagine if we still stuck under 442 like Woy. 
Anyway the point i like to stress is the post of DoF is redundant at least in British clubs structure
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That is why I feel appointments of Spurs and City are bad. Ideally you would want someone from the club and has played the game. Examples being Bayern, BVB and Barca.

After Paisley's retirement as manager he was appointed as a director and served as an advisor to King Kenny. Guess what? He lasted in this role until 1992. This coinciding with Dalglish's departure started the rot at our club. Somewhere along the way in the subsequent years we forget how to play the "Liverpool Way". This would in theory not happen if there is a DoF to ensure the continuation of this including appointing managers and signing players that fit our philosophy. But that was in theory so like you said it might not work for British club structures as we appoint "managers" instead of "head coaches/trainers".

I hope maybe someday Stevie would assume this role for us if he decides not to venture into a coaching career.
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QUOTE(Max_07s @ Apr 24 2014, 12:24 PM)
they wont change the Kop Stand image 1 tier stand. its part of our tradition.
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Is it possible to make it taller though? A steeper slope maybe.

QUOTE(RyanHo @ Apr 24 2014, 12:41 PM)
our ticket demand wasnt that high. 59000 is more than enuf
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Ayre said there is 28,000 on waiting list. The demand is there. 45,000 + 28,000. You do the math. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(RyanHo @ Apr 24 2014, 12:46 PM)
we will get more new bloods when we constantly challenging the titles. so i guess the 28000 seats are for future reference.
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Waiting list for season tickets lah bro, not the future. They are already there waiting for a chance to get one.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Apr 24 2014, 01:48 PM)
u do know what 'average' means right?

anyway, heres an older post where someone gathered info...
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=285854.0

there have been a handful of home games where crowds didnt hit 40k...so imagine stadium one day looking 2/3 full.
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Average of 44k of 45k is very very good. And no there has been no home game that failed to attract more than 44k this season. No point comparing attendance so far into the past when both results and performance are unsatisfactory. There are only a handful of those over the years and compare that to the extra revenue you can get from every other game with the extra 20k or 30k fans each game? Fans will be more willing to pay for the sort of exciting football we put on these days.

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Apr 24 2014, 02:05 PM)
well the first cup game of the season only had 42k.
for fans...dont they support the team thru thick n thin? even tho results and performance are unsatisfactory? and not just based on just supporting when the team are doing well? tongue.gif
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Well I was speaking in terms of the league though. So yeah the Notts County game only 42k but Oldham game 44k. Not bad yo. tongue.gif

Supporting through thick and thin from our couches at home. biggrin.gif Honestly though, would you rather pay to watch Hodgson's Liverpool or Rodger's Liverpool if you had to pick one? Answer is obvious. Results and performance helps. rclxms.gif

Also looking at it from our perspective as foreign supporters. More seats equates to easier to get tickets to Anfield.

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Apr 24 2014, 02:22 PM)
we are red and white, not red, black and white.
tho i guess karma was fun while it lasted with bug eyes.
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QUOTE(8sg9ft @ Apr 24 2014, 02:26 PM)
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Gold fish eyes works too.
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QUOTE(yeelong @ Apr 24 2014, 02:52 PM)
Nov 2  FT  Arsenal  2-0  Liverpool  60,042  Premier League

This one 60k? at Emerate or Anfield??
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Emirates lah of course.

Liverpool vs Arsenal = Anfield

Arsenal vs Liverpool = Emirates
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QUOTE(Max_07s @ Apr 24 2014, 03:09 PM)
need to consider last season we were play for Europa. midweek and mostly these Europa group matches not so full capacity. that's y the price kinda low. totally different if we play UCL. our fans more excited to go.

the ticket price also high and people need to use public transport. cant use car because there is no car park there.
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Good point there. Ticket prices have been a topic of constant debate in recent years and there seem to be some sort of unity between fans in pushing tickets towards lower prices. The Germans can easily fill their stadiums with their much cheaper tickets. Not a problem there. Get more fans in the stadium and perhaps they can spend more in other areas like merchandise.
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http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2...r-league-europe

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Apr 26 2014, 04:27 PM)
Beat chelsea and it's one hand on the trophy.
I hope suarez has a partner upfront even if sturridge doesnt start.It will be difficult for him against a solid chelsea defence protected by matic.

Coutinho is crucial as well to unlock their defence.Play is much more fluent and free flowing when couts plays well.
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Only when he plays in the middle though. He looks kinda lost on the left wing last game. As we've seen from the City game, Coutinho has improved his workrate and tackling when playing in the middle. Only lacking a bit lacking on the stamina department.
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Gary Neville and Carra analysing our defense at 5:23

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post Apr 27 2014, 08:32 PM

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Quite a formidable "weak" team. WE GO AGAIN!
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Gerrard losing the title will be as good a story as him winning it on Hillsborough 25th anniversary
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post Apr 27 2014, 10:34 PM

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I can't see us breaking down this defence. Sadly.
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QUOTE(hyperyouth_firepower @ Apr 27 2014, 11:14 PM)
He's an AM converted to DM. I don't see why he wasn't meant to play attacking football.
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Mikel too was AM converted to DM but you don't expect anymore attacking plays from him because he has been playing in that role for too long and with that his entire mentality and skill set were changed.
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What's worrying is Palace are already safe and has no need for all 3 points. Watching how Chelsea's bus was parked, they might do the same and it won't matter if City slips up.

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