No it's not talking about this Gift of tongues in that needs to be interpreted as in 1 Corinthians 14:27

but this Gift which every Christians have. 1 Corinthians 14:2 - For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit.

As for being Slain in the spirit, I know this is a controversial subject not well accepted in certain denominations. But to say that every type of miracles must occurred in the Bible as an example before it to can be authenticated is not true either because John did mentioned this;


John 20:30 - Jesus performed many other signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book.


John 21:25 - Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.

I believe we shouldn't restrict as to what the HS can do or cannot do.

Even Jesus himself mention this in

John 14:12 - Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.

without specifically telling us what is that greater works or miracle.




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Yes I know not everyone have to have or must have but the point is, anyone and everyone can speak in tongues if they want this gifting. That is the context, it didn't say only specific Christians. Because we all have the HS in us who enables that gifting. And the word of God is quite clear we should all also eagerly desire the gifting of the Holy Spirit. It is not just for fun the HS stated that word, (eagerly desire) unless it is of importance.

I did mentioned, this gifting is not for the purpose mentioned in 1 Corinthians 14:27. don't understand what's your purpose in telling me verse 26-28.

And also in the word of Paul if you see in verse 28 it didn't say to cut off totally but to continue speaking in tongues praying to God.
I need to be clear that this speaking in tongues is not of the devil nor demonic in nature, it is valid and is in the Bible.

If you feel that holy laughter, slaying and worship so excited until run round and round until fainted is unprecedented and weird, I would say the Bible has records of incidents that is unprecedented and weird.

Jesus spitting in the mud using that to heal blindness is unprecedented and weird. Peter's shadow healing the sick is unprecedented and weird. Handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched Paul were able to heal and cast our demons is unprecedented and weird.

The Bible left open the miracles of God because he doesn't want anyone to limit what God can do. Else it is rather pointless for Jesus to let us know that nothing is impossible for God the Father. Same thing with the works or miracles of the HS.

Don't understand why you missed out John 14:12? As I did mention that Jesus himself did not specify in detail, exactly WHAT is that greater works. Perhaps you have an answer and the explanation why?

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I wasn't even talking about this, like I said, don't get your point why you bring this up. Speaking in tongues is between you and God, not with Man, that should give the clue to what I'm trying to say here.

No, My point is, nobody is forcing with a gun that you must speak in tongues, neither did I mention if you don't speak in tongues you won't have other gifting as if it's dependent on that.
What my point escapes you obviously is that anyone and everyone can speak in tongues if He desires to have this gifting. It is not exclusive for the super spiritual or special Christians.
It does help in the dimension of prayer because the HS will help you interceded according to the will of God. That is like you praying perfect prayer. Much better than when we pray in our natural language. Now don't get me wrong saying Oh you mean to say we can't pray properly using normal language? Try to digest slowly what is said here before going off.


Of course you can say it's not weird and unprecedented now, anyone can say that because it has already happened. But if you were there for the first time seeing a person Name Jesus of Nazareth, spitting on dirty mud and put it on the eyes of someone, you would be thinking what is He trying to do, it's weird. Same thing with the handkerchief, New comers who have never seen such a thing like healing through Shadows???? might think it could be some form of sorcery in those day, as it was unprecedented.

Yes I agree we can be wary about it as what you say but my angst is, TODAY it has become to an unhealthy extreme where people are no longer believing in God about miracles due to the build up of skepticism out of fear. It is as bad as the other end of extreme what you just mentioned about David Koresh.





Don't judge lah, that's between Him and God. If he wants to fake it even, that is still between Him and God. You should practice what you told me just now about not offending the HS. I know what you're saying, bro, give me some credit, Is not that I've never encounter any of these before, I'v seen over and over and time after time.




No it's not, it's a very simple question.


John 14:12 (NIV) - Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.


Question: What is this greater works that Jesus talks about?

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It is the person who hear all our prayers, that we should give thanks to.

Not us.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 29 2014, 03:13 PM

I brought that up (bold) because you brought up 1 Cor 14:26.

I think I did address them, perhaps you may want to slow down and read back what I wrote.
I did address point 1 & 2. Forcing and emphasizing the importance of it, are 2 different things. I don't think any Church elders would force.

3) Don't think so this happens to every Church. I'm sure majority of the Churches in this country emphasize on Bible study.

Well just in case if you do think like that. No I don't read your replies to others.

I said this:

No, My point is, nobody is forcing with a gun that you must speak in tongues, neither did I mention if you don't speak in tongues you won't have other gifting as if it's dependent on that. What my point escapes you obviously is that anyone and everyone can speak in tongues if He desires to have this gifting. It is not exclusive for the super spiritual or special Christians.

Which part I said you didn't say that?


The pharisees have problem accepting miracles due to hardening hearts. Jesus proved himself by his miracles and Jesus implored them to at least believe in the miracles even if they don't believe in Him. Do even see the growing trend that is happening in the Churches today? I do.

I don't want to happen to the body of Christ.

Because I'm teaching Christians not to have a fearful heart towards God or his workings. I'm seeing a trend and what Jesus says will really come to pass.

Luke 18:8. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?"

People in the last days are becoming like Atheist Christians who don't want anything other than Salvation. The same classic example when the Israelites refuse to go into the promise land flowing with milk and honey. Same thing. Most of them died due to a heart that doesn't believe, only 2 made it.

The trend is showing.

God never gave us a spirit of fear. Never! but of power love and of a sound mind. Serene mind. IF a Christian exhibits so much fear in life. Whatever the reason may be, it only means that, that person don't know God that well or his works and thus need to constantly refer to warning, dangers of what this person say or that person say. This is not the life of the spirit but the life of religion.

I believe in Balance emphasize of Quiet time with God, Prayers, Living the life of Faith, Bible study, Getting involved in the Kingdom, Seeing Miracles, etc. Proper balance of everything. I believe one of the reason why The Church is divided is because the traditions of Man have been mix into God's word, and the truth of God's word is not properly divided. One of the reason why I'm here is to persuade that away.



Bro, I teach the Bible, I'm a full time Church Staff.

No Bro, read the Bible carefully. The context of that verse is talking about all his miracles. The work of the Father. The evidence of it. The same thing Jesus told the Pharisees who did not believe in Him. (John 14:11). It's not referring to 1, 2 or 3. So my question to you is, what exactly are the greater works?

Good that you brought up the subject of Obedience and pursue of righteousness. I teach them too. You cannot emphasize these 2 without properly laying down the right foundation of what it means to be righteous and how obedience come.

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BTW, the Mods may pm me to close this thread any time because it has reached the number of page limit.

Please nominate or somebody pls Open ver8.

Version 8, Ya'll. We are really Alive.

Pls make sure whoever it is, copy back the 1st page content and improvise if you wish.

I don't want ppl to think I boikot the whole thread, lol.

Give someone a chance lah.

Unless really nobody.

Hopefully if the Mod dun say anything, By this friday, last call.

And 1 more thing.

If you know of any Christian events and you want to invite ppl to that Church or yours, by all means please advertised here as well with some info or poster. I want to build a network so that we Christians know the activities & what is going on in the body of Christ in this country through this thread.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 29 2014, 10:30 PM

Not to say afraid but better not to underestimate nor overestimate the devil. The devil is smart, I'll give him that.

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Steve subscribe to cessationism, it's fine by me, we're all brothers in Christ.

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Oh My, if you're near SS2, there's Salvation and Evangel as well. Within the surrounding buildings. Can't miss it. Salvation for sure should be able to see.

Nearby Digital Mall, there's a Lutheran Church, it's along the road before Armada Hotel? I think level 3 is Glad Sounds Bookshop.

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What happened bro?

Okay sis.

Compliment of Bro Brusky

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3393740

Good Read.




OCTOBER 29 ― The recent news that Ibrahim Ali would not be held accountable under the law for his public threats and act of inciting others to burn Bibles is both shocking and unacceptable not only to those in the Christian community, but also to many Muslims such as myself.

First stated by Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department Nancy Shukri during a reply in Parliament earlier this month and reaffirmed by the Attorney General’s Chambers, this development can only be interpreted as the government tolerating and condoning extremism and acts of aggression.

Where is the promise that all Malaysians can find equal protection and justice under the law? Is the tag “protecting the sanctity of Islam” now to be used to cover all manner of sins?

This act by the AGC sends two worrying and alarming messages. Firstly, that intimidation, threats and acts of aggression against others of other faiths are acceptable as long as it is in defence of Islam. Secondly, that those of other faiths cannot hope for the same succour and protection under the law as that of Islam.

There is also a worrying false premise that has been seemingly accepted by the AGC. That Islam is actually under attack in Malaysia.

It is now clear that our authorities have become convinced of the alarmist, fictitious and dangerously ignorant arguments of the insecure right-wing minority such as Isma and Perkasa who preach totalitarianism and absolutism.

They have become frightened children, jumping at shadows and the slightest noise, fearful of the bogeyman underneath the bed, while ignoring, or worse not recognising the danger of religious fascism.

To paraphrase a quote from Prof. Datuk Dr Shamsul Amri Baharuddin of UKM, less than 1 per cent are championing these extremist agendas in Malaysia, but 99 per cent of us are affected. Yet, we continue to lack the effort and courage to deal with the 1 per cent. This position by the AGC makes this a fact.

We cannot and must not ever justify acts of extremism and fascism in the name of Islam. Threats to desecrate and destroy the holy books and property of those of another faith should always be regarded as beyond the pale and condemned by all, including Muslims. This is not only what is expected of us as Malaysians but is also what is called upon for Muslims to do.

The Prophet Muhammad SAW in his covenant with the monks of Saint Catherine's Monastery in 628 guaranteed the following to all Christians:

“This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them.

· Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them.

· No compulsion is to be on them.

· Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries.

· No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims' houses.

· Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God's covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate.

· No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight.

· The Muslims are to fight for them.

· If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray.

· Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants.

No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world).”

In this overzealousness and irrational fear, have we instead gone against the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad and Islam?

How would we respond if the Quran was treated in the same way as the Christian Bible has been? Where is our compassion and mercy as called upon by the teachings of the Prophet regarding governance and administration?

Do unto others as you would have them do to you. It is only by Allah’s grace and the patience and forgiveness of the Malaysian Christian community that we have endured as much without any untoward incident beyond what we have already experienced.

Ibrahim Ali, Isma and their ilk do not speak for us. Their arrogant, bigoted, ignorant and prejudiced views of other faiths are an embarrassment to us all and yet, their views are being treated as if it is mainstream. Why are we allowing this to happen?

Where are our many muftis, ulamas and religious leaders who demand that we look to them for guidance and teachings of Islam, yet remain silence in the face of such abuse and exploitation of the teachings of the Prophet?

Why are they frothing at the mouth at an event which encourages kind treatment of dogs yet remain silent when somebody claims it is necessary to threaten harm and destruction onto others to protect Islam? Does their silence mean that they agree? How can the threat and act of destroying the holy books of another faith ever be considered a method to defend the sanctity of Islam?

Malaysia cannot brag to the rest of the world that it is a model country for moderation and progressive Islam when it violates the very guarantees and teachings of the Prophet Muhammad SAW regarding other faiths, oppresses and punishes moderates, rewards and protects extremists and radicals.

We cannot afford to be silent. We must stand up and speak out.

- See more at: http://www.themalaymailonline.com/opinion/...h.pf7Ihzfv.dpuf

They all do. Christ is the head of all denomination.

But it's a very lengthy subject. I'm sure Decky, and some brothers in here can explain in detail on the difference.

My simple opinion: Different Church culture and interpretation of doctrine but all worship same Triune Godhead.


I'm more curious as to why you said cult like Church? Too modern?

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