Because nobody could be saved under the Old Testament?
Jesus had not come?

Salvation means Deliverance? Not Selection?

Do you know there is a different between when God's Spirit coming upon David and being Filled with the Spirit as in the book of Acts Chapter 2 with the Apostles?

Yes Paul was persecuting the Christian under Ignorance, but that does not remove the fact that the intend to Murder was intentional, He was the one who went to the Hight Priest and request personally for the persecution letter? This part of taking one's life with murder was intentional Bro.

It's like this. A husband mistakenly accused the wife of adultery and murdered her, later it was found to be a misunderstanding. The Husband may have been in ignorance of the fact there wasn't any adultery but that doesn't excuse the fact that His act of murder is still unjustifiable. It's still wrong.

Honest or not that doesn't remove the fact that Saul Heart wasn't RIGHT in the first place and yet God chose Him. As you said the person must be humble, kind, obedience, etc. How can a kind, humble person with the right heart murder? I don't think if anyone can actually murder someone has the right heart.

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I think his meaning is that how can you be chosen by God if you are not saved, it goes hand in hand.
Under the Old Testament it is possible to have a place in God's divine plan and yet not have the spirit of God upon Him.

For example King Cyrus of Persia.

God used Him to fulfil his divine plan for his people, yet he was a Pagan King. But our Christian community cites his name as an exemplary!

But I need to be clear with this.

Having the Spirit of God under the Old Testament does not mean the person is saved from the bondage of sin that leads to death.
There is a difference.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Aug 25 2014, 12:48 AM

I think you need to be clear (first) of your understanding of definitions of words. Look, I'm not twisting you.
The closer definition of Salvation is Deliverance. The wider Definition are; welfare, prosperity, deliverance, preservation, salvation, safety. Not Selection.
Check the Secular dictionary and Check theological Dictionary. They'll tell you the same thing. I know you're trying to say they can't be selected by God and yet is not saved.

In the Old Testament, It's possible to be Selected by God to do his work and yet not have his Spirit upon the person. King Cyrus of Persia is one such person.
Go and check Him out in the Bible if you don't believe me.

Thirdly you need to clearly understand under the Old Testament, nobody could be saved through the Law.
Those who trusted in their own works, emotions are still under the power of the bondage of Sin. (Galatians 3:22).
You cannot lump being selected by God for leadership as the same meaning as being Saved under the context of the Old Testament.
Many of the saint were saved by looking forward towards an unknown messiah but that's another matter altogether.

Ask your Pastor if you don't believe me.

Fourth I can prove to you with scripture that God can even love those who are corrupted in heart (sinners) but the problem is you ignore it. How la?

Romans 5:8 - But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
2 Corinthians 5:19 - that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
Romans 4:5 - However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.

But does that mean that God encourages sinners to continue to sin? No. It takes the power of God to change a person. You need to draw the person to God first before change can happen no matter how corrupt the person is, God's power is greater and is able to change.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Aug 26 2014, 10:31 AM

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Thank you for reminding me. My over sight, edited my post.
This is one area I always forgot that the saints are saved the same way.

Mix breed humans.
Half human, half fallen angels.

Nephilim.


Though not mentioned in the Bible
I believe It's possible that's how the story of pagan gods like
Zeus, Thor, came into existence.

No more. That's why God send the flood.
to wipe out the Nephillim.

God is the one who brings us close to Him.
This is not high level teaching, it is the words in the Bible.

Romans 4:5 - However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.
Romans 5:8 - But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
2 Corinthians 5:19 - that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.

There is a place for people who humbles themselves. (Truth is God is the one who gave you that grace)
There is also a place for wicked Man who needs God's grace to change them.

God wants everyone to be saved. To come to the truth and grace of Christ.

1 Timothy 2:3-4 (NIV)
3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.…

All means All.

Why does it bother you, If God has the heart for the wicked to be saved?

Now One of my Elder/deacon in ICU, Stroke.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Aug 27 2014, 04:33 PM

Not good in Mandarin.

Won't understand it If I watch.

Banana people.

but if you can give me a summary........it'll be good.

News from Iraq

http://pamelageller.com/2014/08/archbishop...s-muslims.html/



At our pro-Israel rally on Sunday, leaders from across the world warned the crowd of the impending threat of Islam to America.

One million Christians have been killed or have had to flee Iraq because of persecution by jihadists.

But the world convulses over Israel defending herself from ISIS, aka Hamas in Gaza.

Archbishop of Mosul: ‘I Have Lost My Diocese to Islam; You in the West Will Also Become Victims of Muslims’, Breitbart, August 18, 2014

The exiled Chaldean Catholic archbishop of Mosul, Iraq, is warning westerners about welcoming an increasing number of Muslims into their countries, naively believing that they too believe in democratic principles.

“Our sufferings today are the prelude of those you, Europeans and Western Christians, will also suffer in the near future,” said Archbishop Amel Shimoun Nona in an interview by Corriere della Sera. “I lost my diocese. The physical setting of my apostolate has been occupied by Islamic radicals who want us converted or dead. But my community is still alive.”

The archbishop’s interview was reported by the blog Rorate Caeli.

Nona, whose Eastern Rite church is under the authority of Pope Francis, now lives in Erbil, in Kurdistan, Iraq.

The archbishop warned:

Please, try to understand us. Your liberal and democratic principles are worth nothing here. You must consider again our reality in the Middle East, because you are welcoming in your countries an ever growing number of Muslims. Also you are in danger. You must take strong and courageous decisions, even at the cost of contradicting your principles. You think all men are equal, but that is not true: Islam does not say that all men are equal. Your values are not their values. If you do not understand this soon enough, you will become the victims of the enemy you have welcomed in your home.

CNSNews.com observes the Chaldean Catholic Church can be traced back to Thomas the Apostle, one of Jesus’s original twelve apostles. The actual diocese of Mosul was established in 1967, with the main church being St. Paul’s Cathedral.

If you're feeling down, let this song bring a smile.

Go there and be encouraged seeing multitudes of Believers.

btw Tomorrow and Sat Also Methodist Convention but at Sunway.

Welcome Bro in Christ.

I think oldest could be pehkay i remember him mentioning as first generation christian if not mistaken.

Myself already enter ....errr let just say consider old by /k/ standard but young in heart n head. Lol.

Actually all the Parables were addressed against the Pharisee, The Hight Priest and the Teachers of the Law.
What's my basis for saying this? Because after Jesus finished All the Parables in Matthew 26 verse 3 (NIV), The beginning word is "Then".

If there is a "Then" it means that it's a preceding to an event. (And notice the following actions they took? They Plotted Jesus downfall.)
What does this means? It means that they were with Jesus all the while when He spoke the Parables and that the Parables was directed against them, that is why when you read the verse 4 where it says - and they schemed to arrest Jesus secretly and kill him, you will understand why.


You may ask me are the Parables only against the Pharisee, High Priests, Teachers of the Law, Sanhedrin and no one else? My answer is no.
Symbolically These group represents "Christians" who trusted Self Righteousness as the way to be justified before God. God hates self Righteousness.
If anyone banks on their own Righteousness (obedience to the Law) Jesus will say "He never knew you".

If you take a step back, look at the bigger picture, Why Jesus shared the Parables and on purpose direct it against that group and THEN you read Luke 18:9-14. You will begin to understand the consistency of God's Salvation, that is by Faith and by his Grace.

The stadium is open 830am something, better come early to avoid stress of finding parking.

Huge crowd gonna come. Yes starts at 10am.

I was at Sunway Convention for 2 days.

Was at the AV Deck. Huge crowd.

Anyone going?

I might.

Sophiera, you should go with your mom to this, it'll be good.