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BMW X5 2003 vs. BMW 5 series 2005, Which one is better in overall?
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TSomerhalit
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Apr 5 2014, 08:54 PM, updated 12y ago
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Hi guys,
I am planning to change to BMW this time. But I am a little bit confused. I cannot really find a nice comparison of this two cars (X5 and 5 series). Maybe its because they are the cars of different league.
Well, can you please help me decide? Let me shortly list my criteria.
I am going to buy it cash. So I am limited to 60-70k now. I cannot really find 5 series at this price. Rarely I see people sell at this price for urgent cash. But that's rare.
Alright, I prefer X5 because it is higher, looks more aggressive (to me). It can reach max 210km/h. 2002/2003 models costs around 60K.
I prefer 5 series because it has advanced multimedia system. A little bit better interior. Better gauges. Comments say it provides smoother ride. Mostly less roadtax. Top speed at about 230km/h. Of course better acceleration because lighter. I am not sure if I can afford magnesium engine model. I heard there is some performance issues on the earlier engine model.
Well, speed is not very important to me. Consider this as family car. I prefer safety.
But to be honest, I am not really aware of the electronics systems of X5. I know there are many in 5 series. Lots of airbags, stability systems and others. But I am not sure if these apply 2003 or 2004 X5.
And about maintenance, it is important. Which of these two cars less likely to give trouble and overall cost of spare parts? I heard X5 has rear suspension problem and it costs a lot to replace.
If you were me, which one would you choose?
Please when you vote, let me know why so that I know the advantages and disadvantages of these both.
I can save some more bucks and wait for 5 series if the poll comes out to be at 5 series' side.
Thanks in advance.
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kahjye
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Apr 5 2014, 09:03 PM
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Fork at least 10k for repairs
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ScancityCY5188
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Apr 5 2014, 09:48 PM
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You sure you want to buy a 10 years old bmw?
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TSomerhalit
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Apr 5 2014, 10:10 PM
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QUOTE(ScancityCY5188 @ Apr 5 2014, 09:48 PM) You sure you want to buy a 10 years old bmw? I like to change cars. It's not for me to stick with a car for 5-7 years. Buy cash sell cash. Add some, buy better. Bought my first car wira cash as well. I've bought 12 years old Toyota and almost had no problem. 12 years old toyota still better than many new cars in my opinion. I know BMW 5 series quite stable. Correct me if I am wrong. What would you suggest other than these that I can buy cash and maybe newer? Thanks for the comment.
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DrBarbarian
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Apr 5 2014, 11:13 PM
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magnesium engine is 2006 onwards .... some late 2005 e60 has it though. these n52 engines produces more power but they have oil consumption issue. rm10k for maintenance for the first year is definitely not enough.....
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TSomerhalit
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Apr 5 2014, 11:19 PM
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QUOTE(DrBarbarian @ Apr 5 2014, 11:13 PM) magnesium engine is 2006 onwards .... some late 2005 e60 has it though. these n52 engines produces more power but they have oil consumption issue. rm10k for maintenance for the first year is definitely not enough.....  Are you serious? 10K not enough for 1st year maintenance? I bought 2002 Altis last year and honestly speaking never gave me problem except regular maintenance like engine oil and brake pad. Why would BMW E60 give that much cost for maintenance?
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kahjye
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Apr 5 2014, 11:22 PM
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QUOTE(jags @ Apr 5 2014, 11:18 PM) where did you get that figure from? from you talking arsehole ah? fcking cunts like this who nothing about cars and who make stupid remarks like this really pisses me off! and to make it worst, there are idiots who will actually listen without questioning them. lol ur butt burning bro?
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TSomerhalit
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Apr 5 2014, 11:22 PM
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QUOTE(jags @ Apr 5 2014, 11:19 PM) what the fck is wrong with buying a 10 year old bmw?? Had a bad day mate? take it easy. those are just opinions. May be true or false. What about you? what do you think?
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kahjye
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Apr 5 2014, 11:24 PM
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QUOTE(omerhalit @ Apr 5 2014, 11:22 PM) Had a bad day mate? take it easy. those are just opinions. May be true or false. What about you? what do you think? he just bought more than 10 yrs old bmw. thats it.
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TSomerhalit
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Apr 5 2014, 11:27 PM
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QUOTE(kahjye @ Apr 5 2014, 11:24 PM) he just bought more than 10 yrs old bmw. thats it. Is that really bad? I mean, i think BMW cars last at least 20 years at affordable maintenance cost. Don't you think?
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kahjye
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Apr 5 2014, 11:30 PM
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QUOTE(omerhalit @ Apr 5 2014, 11:27 PM) Is that really bad? I mean, i think BMW cars last at least 20 years at affordable maintenance cost. Don't you think? my dad is an ex owner of e46 and e90. both of these car give him problems bout 6 yrs usage... so...no more bmw i guess. currently using an audi, no car is perfect. but i just dont get it why is somebody here acting so exaggerated lol. oh anw..maybe hes a hardcore fan...BMW never break downnn...lel.
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kahjye
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Apr 5 2014, 11:31 PM
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QUOTE(jags @ Apr 5 2014, 11:29 PM) bro ignore that ****. he knows nothing about cars. and his "opinion" is a load of crap. my advice is go to specialized forums like bmwclubmalaysia. actual owners can give you feedback, instead of dIckheads still playing with tamiya cars! btw what is your budget bro? what car are u driving now?
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jags
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Apr 5 2014, 11:33 PM
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what is your definition of expensive?? there is a thread at bmwclubmalaysia, in the e60 subforum, where owners share the price of spare parts. that should give you a rough idea. the magnesium engine is a good engine, but if you really want something more 'hardy', than the m54 engine (2002-2005) is a better choice. the x5 and e60 has the same engine. QUOTE(omerhalit @ Apr 5 2014, 11:27 PM) Is that really bad? I mean, i think BMW cars last at least 20 years at affordable maintenance cost. Don't you think?
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TSomerhalit
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Apr 5 2014, 11:33 PM
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QUOTE(jags @ Apr 5 2014, 11:25 PM) bullshit of the highest order. i have a lot of experience with BMW's, my dad drives the older 523i e39 (double vanos m52 engine), mileage is about 300k km's and the car has not been giving him any problems. i would go for the e60. if budget permits, go for the LCI (has the electronic gear selector or some people call it "joystick". It has the n52t magnesium engine (technical update, black color engine cover). Its more reliable than the N52 engine with the silver engine cover (end 2005- early 2007) BTW regarding the engine oil consumption issue, sometimes its due to the viscosity of the engine oil used. Using a thicker engine oil has solved the problem in some cases. the x5 spare parts is more expensive compared to the e60, especially the suspension parts. LCI is great but I cannot afford that right now. But I will try to get magnesium engine. I also heard. It is more stable. I just need to save more then. X5 is cheaper than E60. I think the reason is spare parts then. Losing hope on X5 slowly.
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kahjye
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Apr 5 2014, 11:41 PM
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QUOTE(jags @ Apr 5 2014, 11:38 PM) why the fck does it matter what car am i driving!? next you want to know how long is my d*** ah? the reason why i am posting is bcos i have been in ts situation and i have researched a lot about bmw's/mercedes. if not, i wouldn't have posted. i know nuts about honda's, thats why you don't see me posting in any honda related threads. and to your other question, no, i am not a hardcore BMW fan. the 320i e90 is a piece of shit. the 4 cylinder n46b20 is a piece of shit. would a 'hardcore' bmw fan say that? hahahaha thank you for enlightening me . yes 320i is piece of shit and u can f*** me all u want i dont really care much as i do not look in to any 2nd hand cars. This post has been edited by kahjye: Apr 5 2014, 11:41 PM
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TSomerhalit
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Apr 5 2014, 11:46 PM
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I will wait for some time to get E60 then. No one supported X5. Pitty him. I was a little bit excited because I could afford X5 now. But 2005 or 2006 E60, not yet. And LCI, kind of dream right now because I am going to pay cash. Don't like to bond myself with loans. Do you have any idea how much it would cost to maintain 2003 X5 3.0 for a year? Regular maintenance.. Not detailed one.. Probably I will change after a year. Just want to taste. I don't say I will buy, but in case if I can't wait to save more...
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DrBarbarian
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Apr 5 2014, 11:48 PM
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I used to own a msport e60 with magnesium engine. gearbox and active steering is a known problem for this car. I personally din have issue with it but many of my club mates had experienced problems. cost around 20k for gearbox and 10k for active steering.
car is very comfy to drive on highway. a tad too bumpy on uneven road though. non msport should feel better.
have u tried the x5D??? that's superb!!!!!!
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jags
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Apr 5 2014, 11:48 PM
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before you buy a bmw, make sure to run to vin number/chassis number by bmwvin.com. i am not a big fan of the e53, i find it to be outdated, although the interior quality is better than the e60. QUOTE(omerhalit @ Apr 5 2014, 11:33 PM) LCI is great but I cannot afford that right now. But I will try to get magnesium engine. I also heard. It is more stable. I just need to save more then. X5 is cheaper than E60. I think the reason is spare parts then. Losing hope on X5 slowly. Attached thumbnail(s)
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jags
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Apr 5 2014, 11:54 PM
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RM20k!!?? for gearbox!!!??? bro, i hate to break it to you, but you basically got screwed!!!!! rebuilding the 6hp19 gearbox is roughly about RM5-RM6k. I have never heard of a complete failure of the gearbox before. usually its the valve body (brain of the gearbox). BMW doesn't recommend changing the ATF, and that really caused a lot of problems, usually to the valve body. Rebuilding the valve body is about RM3.5k. About the active steering, a weak battery can also cause lots of errors to come out, and one of them is the active steering. did you try resetting the active steering? QUOTE(DrBarbarian @ Apr 5 2014, 11:48 PM) I used to own a msport e60 with magnesium engine. gearbox and active steering is a known problem for this car. I personally din have issue with it but many of my club mates had experienced problems. cost around 20k for gearbox and 10k for active steering. car is very comfy to drive on highway. a tad too bumpy on uneven road though. non msport should feel better. have u tried the x5D??? that's superb!!!!!!
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TSomerhalit
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Apr 5 2014, 11:56 PM
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QUOTE(jags @ Apr 5 2014, 11:48 PM) before you buy a bmw, make sure to run to vin number/chassis number by bmwvin.com. i am not a big fan of the e53, i find it to be outdated, although the interior quality is better than the e60. Pictures helped!
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