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 Betta splendens Fighting Fish Club Ya'll! v2

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meiteoh
post Jul 25 2006, 12:01 PM

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PK = plakat
HM = Halfmoon

Ketapang leaves are used to primarily soften water and create an ideal condition for CTs. Their finnage requires a lot of work and is very sensitive to water changes.

However, if you use too much extract/IAL (daun ketapang), CTs don't like it either.
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post Jul 25 2006, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(jaswwp @ Jul 25 2006, 12:50 PM)
Cheras... but work in TTDI. Its not a thing that pet shops sell ar?
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They do but at a higher price. (Look at the box in the pic below - it is a pic of the water conditioners I use for my CT.) It retails at RM7.50 for six medium sized satchets. What I do is I cut open one and divide them into smaller portions. Saves money. tongue.gif

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Just to give you a fair idea, ketapang leaves comes from the Indian Almond Tree and they grow wild in M'sia. I found five trees less than two-three minutes on foot from my front gate. The tree is very big and it has very wide big leaves. Refer to the pics below for an idea of dried IAL leaves:

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(I was planning on taking a snapshot of my neighbour's IAL tree. Maybe tomorrow evening would be good - have class tonight.)

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post Jul 25 2006, 03:31 PM

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Goldfries: That's a very nice looking tank. smile.gif

Jas: Don't worry. Give me a day or two and I'll take a nice pic of the tree for ya. ^.^
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post Jul 25 2006, 09:49 PM

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Jit: You're giving me away la! tongue.gif
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post Jul 25 2006, 11:28 PM

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Just get any brand that has anti-chlorine and anti-chlorimine (sp?). ^.^
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post Jul 26 2006, 08:46 AM

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Give him some time. Maybe he's adjusting to you. It helps also if he has some place to hide like some of those fake silk/cloth plants.
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post Jul 26 2006, 10:46 PM

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Le Bleu yesterday:
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Water conditions are good - checked it already - but he just doesn't want to blow bubbles. No clamp fins either and he's feisty too. Dunno what's wrong with the fella. Gah. I'm hoping he'll start blowing some bubbles after his next water change tomorrow.

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Anyway, for those who are wondering how to go about setting up a nice bungalow for your fish, here is a glimpse of mine!

Tank set-up (10x10x8 inches):
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post Jul 27 2006, 10:51 AM

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Jas: Do take care with the water change and condition. My fish is still recovering from ray thinning. Treatment started like nearly three weeks ago. Some of his rays are still a little thin but overall, he's doing much better.

Am keeping an eye out for curling too. Might just put his tank in the sun once a week to avoid that. Hear it helps. Of course not too long la. Nanti he'll be cooked.

Btw, are those plants sharp or pokey??? (They look like it. *nervous*)
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post Jul 27 2006, 11:08 AM

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Goldfries: A lot of the CTs I saw at places like the petstore at 1-U and Family Pet Center are not very nice. They are either too fat or inactive or dead and their rays are in really in 1) bad shape, or 2) weird looking.

I got Le Bleu at Irene Aquarium near my house and at that time had to choose between him and a red CT. Yesterday when I went, they had some pretty good ones (located near the entrance of the store - the ones near the goldfish/fishes are the cheapo ones) but satu dah mati. Bad sign lor...for me at least.
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post Jul 27 2006, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jul 27 2006, 11:12 AM)
yup. exactly what i saw.
color - NO
finnage - NO
body - NO
attitude - a bit....

Pet Safari and Pet Family not so bad la the way they keep betta. at least they're properly contained. i saw Pet Wonderland MV - damn they put in plastic bags like taufufah la.

and i'm surprised Irene actually carry such nice one like your Le Bleuu. smile.gif i'll try to visit Irene today then.

my criteria for choosing a betta is finnage and color. smile.gif although i prefer it if they could come with nice body shape too.

no proper body shape, flare already also don't look nice. tongue.gif

EDITED : btw - i stilll prefer to have PK / HMPK over HM / CT due to the requirements for maintenance. smile.gif PK / HMPK missed water change at least the fins don't curl that easily.
Yeah...but CTs are more feisty la. tongue.gif

Irene has good stock ocassionally...but don't go in expecting too much ar. You have to look very very carefully. Semalam I saw one dead RM11 betta - I consider it bad luck lor.

I'm trying to look for green colour bettas at LFS (local fish shops) but haven't had any luck. O'well...Le Bleu is enough for me.

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(Besides, I already have a turtle at the office.)
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post Jul 27 2006, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(jaswwp @ Jul 27 2006, 11:17 AM)
I'm noob to betta so I just picked one that looks not as dead as the others in the pet shop tongue.gif


Some tips:

1) Look at the fins. No tears, no holes, no putus halfway, that sort of thing. It usually means that the fish was sick.

2) Look at the body. No white stuff, no slime trail, no growth. White stuff = fungus. Tummy must not look like he's going to explode. It means that he has been fed too much and can suffer from indigestion and swimming bladder problems.

3) Look at the fish behaviour. Must be alert, aggressive and not just sleeping on the bottom and look half-dead.

4) Look at the tank. Dirty water is a good indication that the fish can be in bad shape (too much ammonia and what-not). Bubbles indicates that he's at least happy with the water condition or is just...happy lor. tongue.gif

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post Jul 27 2006, 11:51 AM

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Jas: Should be okay la. smile.gif At least he is well-taken care of. ^.^ Btw, what are you feeding him apart from Hikari pellets? (Variety is the spice of life!)
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post Jul 27 2006, 01:01 PM

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Hm...I give Le Bleu freeze dried (FD) bloodworms, FD tubifex worms, FD daphneia and Hikari pellets. I think he has enough of food already la. blink.gif
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post Jul 27 2006, 01:46 PM

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I only have one fish. tongue.gif
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post Jul 27 2006, 02:27 PM

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Me? I feed just once a day. Don't want him to get too fat. About three to four pellets and 1 or two bloodworms. Then once a week, I skip one day.

That's a lot you're feeding him lor... :S
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post Jul 27 2006, 02:37 PM

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Bettas are like that. They'll eat until they explode. (Don't even try to imagine it la.) Some people say that their stomach is as big as their eye. >_<

So don't feed to much, otherwise your betta can get indigestion or worse, have swimming bladder problems.
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post Jul 27 2006, 10:16 PM

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I don't know if this helps but I frequent this international betta website and there is a guy who has been in this business for 20 over years. He has put up a caresheet for columnis.

I copied and pasted from the thread ( Columnis caresheet) coz you need to be a member to view the thread.

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Columnaris: Information and Treatment
By "Ren" Weeks


What is Columnaris?
Columnaris is a disease that goes by many names. Flexibacter, mouth rot, mouth fungus, gill fungus, body fungus, saddleback columnaris, and cotton wool disease: all of these common terms describe one tenacious bacteria, Flavobacterium columnare, previously known as Flexibacter columnaris. This gram-negative, motile, rod-shaped bacteria thrives in many of the same conditions that our tropical fish also enjoy, making it especially dangerous and virulent to stressed fish. Two primary strains exist, both with potentially devastating internal and external symptoms. One is slow-developing, with symptoms appearing over several days and more easily quelled by treatment. The other can kill within hours, and is known for creating massive losses due to its extreme virulence. Regardless of the strain or progression of the disease, columnaris is nothing to be taken lightly.

What Are the Symptoms of Columnaris?
The symptoms of Columnaris vary greatly and largely depend on the strain and virulence. The most commonly observed and treatable form of columnaris often presents itself as stringy white, grey, or off-white "wool" on the fish's face, mouth, or gills. Alternate locations include the "saddle-back" presentation, in which we see a distinct band of the same substance over the back just before the base of the dorsal fin. (Other symtoms may include small gray patches on the face, gasping, and rapid fin loss, but these may be indicative of other diseases, as well.)
Left untreated, the cottony growths on the fish's body will eat away at the underlying tissues. One of the clear indicators of columnaris is a angry red ulcer with dying white tissue around its perimeter. However, you should not wait until such ulcers appear before deciding to treat! At this stage, the disease is advancing, and the fish is at great risk of secondary infections or death.

Can Columnaris be Prevented?
In most cases, Columnaris is caused by some kind of stress, and as thus, is largely preventable. Prevention is always the best medicine, especially with a disease this deadly. At this point, betta owners should really listen up, because bettas are one of the most commonly afflicted species... and their strife is also likely the most easily prevented.

Columnaris loves warm, stagnant water. It also thrives in higher PH, greater hardness, and unclean environments. Because bettas are almost always kept in warm water with no current, which is prehaps a little unclean due to the frequent lack of filtration, it is no wonder that they currently come down with this unfortunate affliction. In many cases, columnaris could have been prevented by a more stable tank environment, more frequent water changes, or the addition of a mild bubbler. Below are some suggestions about how you might improve your tank environment:

    * Stabilize the temperature. While columnaris likes environments of 76 and above, such temperatures should not create an issue if your betta is healthy. One of the leading causes of stress in bettas is temperature fluctuations, so keep your bettas in a location of the house with a stable temperature, preferably in a tank large enough to remain fairly stable. I suggest no less than 2.5 gallons.

    * Clean and pristine is the way to go. While many websites claim bettas only need to be changed once every month or so, your bettas should get at least weekly water changes, especially if they lack a filter. The smaller the tank, the more frequent the water changes should be. I change 100% of the water in my 5 gallon tanks every 7 days. Fish in smaller tanks could use to be cleaned even more often.

    * Aeration is not always the enemy. While some bettas with large fins may indeed be stressed to the point of sickness by a current, most bettas are hardy enough to handle a mild bubbler or gentle filter. Columnaris reproduces poorly in the presence of oxygen in the water, so keeping the water's oxygen content up by creating a current can help prevent columnaris, as well as other stagnant water-loving diseases like finrot.

    * Salt is safer than you think. While many aquarists are against putting any salt in with freshwater fish, they tend to forget that most natural bodies of water have a slightly higher salinity than our excessively filtered tap water. Salt has been an effective method of treatment and prevention for fish and other animals for centuries; adding a medicinal dose of salt, or even a half dose, with each cleaning can work wonders for your fish, and will usually keep away columnaris.

    * Finally, make sure your water conditions are right for bettas, not for stress and disease. As mentioned above, columnaris loves hard water and high pH. Because bettas are not as sensitive to water conditions as more delicate fish, they are often kept out of their ideal hardness and pH ranges. If your parameters are dramatically off, you may want to consider looking in to products to "reform" your unsuitable water.

My Fish has Columnaris! Help!
Although prevention helps keep columnaris out of your tanks, it is sometimes unavoidable. Maybe you recieved a fish in the mail whose trip was spent in a sweltering mail truck. Maybe you didn't notice the small gray splotches on your betta's face until you brought him home. Perhaps you just have an old boy whose immune system isn't quite up to par. Whatever the case, if your fish has symptoms that even suggest columnaris, you need to begin treatment right away. This is not a matter of "should I treat, or shouldn't I?" - it is a matter of "better safe than sorry." Remember when starting treatment that time is of the essence; I suggest doing twice daily health checks on all of your fish, and keeping a stash of medicine around the house in case of emergencies.

Below is my own personal treatment protocol, with which I have had immense sucess. It is based on suggestions from several reputable websites, as well as my own experience and knowledge. I can not guarentee that it will cure your fish, but it may give him or her a fighting chance!

    * A 100% water change should initiate all treatment. I typically use a seperate hospital tank to treat in so that the origional tank can be sterilized to reduce the chance of future outbreaks, and so that the fish can be transferred to a new, medicated environment as quickly as possible.

    * The hospital tank should be heated to approx. 74 degrees. 76 and above is the ideal breeding temperature for columnaris. Though there is some dispute over lowering the temperature, my experience has been that 72 is too low for the medication to work rapidly, 76+ causes the disease to breed more rapidly than the anti-biotic can kill, and 74 is "just right." Remember to keep this temperature stable!

    * The hospital tank should also carry the maximum medicinal dose of aquarium salt - NOT table salt. The iodine can be deadly! The dose I use, as suggested on the box, is one heaping tablespoon per 5 gallons.

    * You MUST provide aeration during treatment. Simply must. Columnaris hates cool water, salt, and oxygen; if you do not assault it with these three things, your anti-biotics are a giant waste of money, especially since anti-biotics often leech oxygen from the water.

    * Maracyn is the most useful anti-biotic I have encountered for Columnaris. It is readily available at almost any fish store, can be easily divided into treatments for tanks ranging from 2.5 to 10 gallons, and seems fairly gentle on the fish's system. You should start treatment with Maracyn immediately.

    * If possible, feed an anti-bacterial food, as columnaris typically causes both internal and external damage. Feeding Jungle Anti-Bacteria or GelTek Ampicillin greatly improves the chances of survival. If that fails, however, I suggest a very high quality pellet paired with plenty of live or frozen foods for maximum nutrition during treatment.

    * Finally, be religious with treatment and water changes. Pristine water, continued anti-biotics, loyal feeding, and a low-stress environment are all absolutely vital to columnaris treatment.

Other potentially helpful, but not necessarily proven aids in treatment and healing include the following:

    * It has been suggested that a topical application of Terramycin (not to be confused with tetracyclene) can greatly improve survival chances with columnaris. Having used this myself on fish with columnaris, I can definately say that it seems to make a difference, and is worth a try.

    * Collodial Silver is a popular remedy for almost any fish ailment. I have not personally used it when treating columnaris, but I have heard of others who have an are convinced it helps. It is worth a try, in my opinion.

    * Indian Almond Leaf lowers pH, decreases hardness, and creates water conditions more similar to a betta's natural environment. Many betta keepers suggest the use of IAL or a similar product during columnaris treatment, and I have to agree, even if only to decrease your fish's stress levels. I personally use 5mL Atison's BettaSpa and 5mL blackwater extract.

    * I personally always use Stress Guard and BioCoat in the water when treating Columnaris. Stress Guard is an anti-septic that promotes healing, and BioCoat allegedly helps promote a healthy slime coat.

The Aftermath: Caring for Bettas in Recovery
There is always plenty of information on the web on treating illnesses, but nothing about what to do during recovery. Bettas just exposed to lowered temps, strong currents, and massive doses of anti-biotics are certainly under stress, and are good candidates for re-infection with columnaris. My post-treatment care protocol starts sterilizing the tank fully; I use boiling water and high salt concentrations on the tank, gravel, and ornaments, rinsing with alternating hot and cold water, then repeating the process. This should kill any flexibacter bacteria remaining in the water.

Once the tank is sterilized, I continue with cooler, aerated water with a medicinal dose of aquarium salt for at least one week following the end of anti-biotic treatment. I also make sure the tank remains exceptionally clean for the following month, cleaning my 5g tanks every 5 days or so instead of every 7. This helps keep the water conditions unfriendly to columnaris.

Nutrition is just as important to recovery as creating a hostile environment for bacteria. While anti-biotic foods are lifesavers, they leave something to be desired nutritionally. I personally am a huge believer in the power of good nutrition's positive impact on the healing process. Because of this, I feed fish in recovery a high quality pellet, such as Hikari or Atison's, as well as rich frozen and live foods. Blood worms, brine shrimp, daphnia, black worms, mosquito larvae, neo-natal crickets, and fruit flies are all excellent choices.

In short, you essentially want to condition your bettas following an illness much like you would a breeding pair or champion fighter. Honestly, all bettas should be treated like this at all times; think of what fewer diseases we would have if we all kept our tanks a little cleaner, a little more stable, and our bettas a bit better fed!

Final Word
Columnaris is a tough disease - but it is not the end-all many aquarists and fish stores make it out to be. Please do not be discouraged and immediately opt for euthanasia when faced with this disease; it can be sucessfully treated. Results may not be immediate, and the fish may indeed suffer a significant amount of pain during treatment, but the end product - a healthy fish - is well worth it. With preventative care, early diagnosis, expedient treatment, and precise recovery care, most bettas and other fish afflicted with columnaris can expect to live a long, healthy, normal life.


Hope this was helpful.

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post Jul 28 2006, 09:46 AM

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Make sure the water isn't too think. tongue.gif The colour of light tea is just nice.

Btw, those are nice gerbils. (Would like some but I have too many pets already.)
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post Jul 28 2006, 10:04 AM

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AIYA...3 drops tak cukup. Letak some more lagi until it looks like light coloured tea. tongue.gif
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post Jul 28 2006, 10:26 AM

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Ohyeah...forgot to tell you. Don't change water too often otherwise you might just create more stress for your fish (the whole "baru adjust to water and then she change the water" thing).

Every four to three days if your tank is small (like it holds only 2 litres of water). Mine holds four litres and I change water once a week.

It also depends on how much you feed your fish coz more food equals more poop and more ammonia.

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