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post Apr 3 2014, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(jonchai @ Apr 3 2014, 12:22 PM)
Don't talk lo. Put in a GTD sell queue at 10.5, don't wanna see already  brows.gif

Earn small bucket of kfc here.

Now wait for next target  brows.gif
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Boon say already mah.. learn to aim for abalone.... not KFC... tongue.gif
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post Apr 3 2014, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(lambethwalk @ Apr 3 2014, 12:24 PM)
Oh this one another topic. not talking about remisier...

But if you are working in jupiter, basic thing like that also dunno? representative who handle account at least need to have some basic knowledge leh...

Anyway point is.

Professionalism and quality in these securities firm, going down the drain.

No wonder TA and Kenanga prices so low  tongue.gif
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Most account/sales exec/rep in brokerage company all fresh grad lah.. kesian them lar. They were only told, if customer ask buy A at XX price, punch into computer buy A at XX price. The price higher or lower does not matter, follow customer order.

Thats it.... don't expect too much from them lar... wink.gif
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post Apr 3 2014, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(jonchai @ Apr 3 2014, 12:26 PM)
Expecting a weakening US $, Euro and a slowdown in China growth. On top of that, possible war boiling over in Russia  brows.gif
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Dey those were last month's news lar... and why USD will drop? Especially now Yellen say they will end the QE by this year and might raise interest rate next year... what will happen to gold? rolleyes.gif
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post Apr 3 2014, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(jonchai @ Apr 3 2014, 12:33 PM)
vmad.gif dey .... I was a stock broker before leh .... And I wasn't like that  brows.gif
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Dey really ah.... you commission based or salary based one? tongue.gif

And how many customer portfolio you hold.. 500? 100? tongue.gif
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post Apr 3 2014, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(jonchai @ Apr 3 2014, 12:36 PM)
War was last month's news  nod.gif

Just thought of possibility of it getting worse though. Here is the latest development.

hmm.gif  I only heard that they will reduce the tapering. Did they say they will end it next year? Maybe I'm not quite up to date with news.
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Ho hum.. if want to fight already early early fight lar... laugh.gif

Even if fight only ruble will collaspe, in fact USD might be higher demand due to 'safe haven' status, and true gold might have higher demand also from fleeing ruble ...

But will it get worse or all talk only? tongue.gif

If want to play gold, listen to every1 of yellen speech every week.. laugh.gif

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post Apr 3 2014, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(jonchai @ Apr 3 2014, 12:38 PM)
Well, I was in OSK many years ago, for a short period. I held both stocks and derivatives licenses, but felt bored "listening to instructions". So I left.

Portfolio? Didn't really count. More or less 100+?
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Lol so are you customer rep.. not remiser right? Listening to customer instructions is what customer rep does whole day. laugh.gif

If remiser, they have to pay rent to 'office space' and rent for trading system access, put in money for deposit in case their customer fail to pay, they have to find their own customer and take a cut from their trading. Since thier monthly pay 100% from own customer, they tend to jaga them properly. wink.gif
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post Apr 3 2014, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 3 2014, 12:55 PM)
Conclusion?

Chinaman is good. tongue.gif
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LOL ... go buy XDL.. tongue.gif
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post Apr 3 2014, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(spring onion @ Apr 3 2014, 01:36 PM)
so boon, what and which section to see whether the stocks is having a good FA?

cash on hands/banks, loans, asset, profit history, future plans, cash expenses, overhead cost, and????

come share out your secret on how you determine a share is worth buying thumbup.gif
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Growth in profits vs EV/Ebitda ... rolleyes.gif

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post Apr 3 2014, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(spring onion @ Apr 3 2014, 01:43 PM)
Ebitda doesn't really makes sense... imho, it can shows quite misleading information. like profit before tax. profit before tax and profit after tax, does profit before tax so important? yes if they can hire a good accountant to reduce their tax but usually is not always the cases
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EV/Ebitda is just a more comprehensive evaluation rather than plain old PE ratio which does not show the 'cash' and 'debt' portion in the company and the hidden cashflow of D&A. This is only used as a guide vs potential growth.

Taxation is not a straight line, in 1Q you can have low tax and next Q you can have high tax, EV/Ebitda removes all these 'distractions' when making comparison. D&A is not an actual 'cost' hence removed to be able to see the actual cash flows of the company at a much clearer state than EPS.

EV accounts for all debts, cash and minority stakes which also show you a clearer picture rather than price/share.

This method is not for everyone, and no means a guaranteed valuation, just a different look at a different angle at a company. Sometimes high PE company can have low Ev/Ebitda and vice versa... wink.gif

EV/Ebitda should not be used alone, should be used together with PE, BV, FCF and all the common valuation metrics. nod.gif

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post Apr 3 2014, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(foofoosasa @ Apr 3 2014, 01:45 PM)
Wahhhh talk fundamental here liao, not OT meh? trader club tongue.gif
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post Apr 3 2014, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(jonchai @ Apr 3 2014, 02:42 PM)
Ya, I was a counter boy  brows.gif

In order to become a remisier, you have to serve at least 10 years as counter boy .... Well, I'm not old enough for that  brows.gif
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Now leh... become building materials sales or OWN a building materials company? tongue.gif

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post Apr 3 2014, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(jonchai @ Apr 3 2014, 03:40 PM)
Now I am part time IT, full time building materials & generators and part time property "broker"  brows.gif
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Wah.. you really hardworking hor... notworthy.gif

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post Apr 3 2014, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(jonchai @ Apr 3 2014, 04:42 PM)
Well, true enough. After so many years, I really find that trading is a very very difficult field. You have no control over variables, the only thing you have control is your customers, which are often very price sensitive. So when manufacturers increase price, your margin gets squeezed. Similarly, when customers squeeze you, you can negotiate with manufacturers but most times, u don't get much out of it.
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Trading house is all about VOLUME... and can be very profitable.. if you can keep increasing volume. Just look at all the listed trading house in bursa like DKSH...with net margin of less than 2% yet earnings increase year after year... brows.gif

Another BIG building materials trading house which is listed is Hap Seng Consolidated, which also on low margin, but have HUGE volume... laugh.gif

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post Apr 3 2014, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(jonchai @ Apr 3 2014, 04:52 PM)
Well, let's not forget, CAPITAL is also very important. You can't have VOLUME without CAPITAL. We charter vessels, barges. All these require huge CAPITAL.

We approached many banks to increase liquidity and capital. Most of the local banks are too conservative and refused to approve our loan applications. Some foreign banks did, but it wasn't sufficient to create VOLUME. We even approached EX** ... Rejected  doh.gif
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We have done trading before.. you can negotiate float with manufacturer.. brows.gif

You sell at 30 days terms, you pay manufacturer at 60 days term.. FOC capital.. but depend lar you must have good volume/rapport with manufacturer and good payment to nego for longer term. tongue.gif
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post Apr 3 2014, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 3 2014, 05:02 PM)
Hard to survive with such low margins.
Nowadays what cost also up.
Make on 5% die one la.
All it takes is one customer to default payment.....
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Yet all the big boys can do it.. Tesco/Carrefour all can survive with 1% margin. laugh.gif

Then again in trading world where you got no moat, it is big always eat small.. sweat.gif
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post Apr 3 2014, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(jonchai @ Apr 3 2014, 05:56 PM)
Tried that, didn't work. Most manufacturers want CASH before delivery / loading to container. Those that offer credit terms, some charge 2% extra, some 5%  doh.gif

This directly eat into our margins
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Hmm... most of my suppliers all with 60 days to 90 days terms one... very rare cash required, unless 1 time business one.. hmm.gif

I think it depends you need them more or they need you more... sweat.gif

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post Apr 3 2014, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Apr 3 2014, 06:04 PM)
Tesco different model la... how to compare? Tesco only provide the space, does not need to care about margins or anything. Rent the shelf out to those interested, collect rents and then pay at the end of who knows which months. I heard they said Tesco earn a lot more doing something else with the money they collected and pay out later to respective distributors. All those rotten stuffs, expired stuffs, returns etc not book into their PnL, its those distributors losses wor.
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Thats called bargaining power mah... they are big enough and buy at huge volume.. manufacturer have to kowtow to them.

Last time i remember one case in early 2000's (involve my relative, as he is distributor for nestle products > 30 years). A hypermart wanted to ask nestle to sell to them cheap cheap and provide good terms, nestle only give them distributor price, yet the hypermart not happy ask for lower. Nestle refuse lower to protect their existing distributor.

So the hypermart retaliate by fire sale all of nestle's competitor products at below cost for one whole month. All the distributors end up cannot sell and all their volume dried up even nestle's volume is affected. In the end nestle relents and give the hypermart price below distributor, end up many distributor close shop or switch to trade other items including my relative.

So big fish do eat small fish... sweat.gif

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post Apr 3 2014, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Apr 3 2014, 06:18 PM)
Are you sure? What I heard is they pay you what you have sold on your shelf, not buy from you wor. Another thing is these big manufacturers like Nestle dont go in one. Instead they already have a list of distributors and see who wanna  fight for these hypermarket slot.

I bought an ice cream pack which was melted and having a bad taste. I fired an email to Nestle and get refunded.  thumbup.gif  But I was told its their respective dealers which are not doing a good job when these things happens.
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That was a real life story .. our relative distributor ship closed because of certain hypermarket...
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post Apr 4 2014, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(spring onion @ Apr 4 2014, 09:18 AM)
boon will jump in to day i think since he so like buy high whistling.gif
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So boon.. boleh average up again boh? tongue.gif

Hahahah everybody asking same question...

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post Apr 4 2014, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(foofoosasa @ Apr 4 2014, 10:03 AM)
he is chase high sifu, now I also want practise this  wub.gif
thanks sifu boon3  wub.gif
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He dun wan answer us liao... sad.gif

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