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andrekua2
post Apr 4 2014, 05:00 PM

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Malton always premature ejaculation... next time need to learn from KNM... lay still and enjoy... hahahaha
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post Apr 4 2014, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 4 2014, 04:37 PM)
Now all glove maker switching to nitrile.. if you count all the glove maker expansion into nitrile total 50-60 BILLION pieces... who want to buy all those glove?  laugh.gif
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Who cares laugh.gif laugh.gif

I only care about the order I get from their suppliers. 24lines in the first phase.
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post Apr 4 2014, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 4 2014, 05:15 PM)
It's fun but nit for stocks.

Up a little, you go-go-go,
Your heart pumps faster,
Your brains suddenly want to think..
Next thing you ah-go-go...
And you go sell...

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2 weeks later you go....doh.gif

LOL

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Turn on computer, open stock trader,
Stock move higher, your heart waver,
move mouse pointer, select your number,
You press enter, become a seller.

Two weeks later, see everybody laughter,
Make you wonder, and on the computer,
Staring at monitor, you spot the counter,
Its non other, one you sold earlier.

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post Apr 4 2014, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 4 2014, 05:24 PM)
KNM can get plenty of projects but most of the time...
Management lousy cannot turn the projects into big profits.
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KLSE ma...

Get project is big news, earnings is small news...

Because project = winrar, earnings = formality
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post Apr 4 2014, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 4 2014, 06:18 PM)
If we stick to this morning's topic, then would you have considered 765/77?

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Saw and did nothing. Monitor too many stock lately.

Malton, London, KNM... dont know which to enter.

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post Apr 4 2014, 06:31 PM

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My brothers' brother-in-law keep giving some hints here and there. Like Destini, OCK, literally too much to consider.

If have funds, will try hold some good shares. No funds, have to pray for luck lor.
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post Apr 4 2014, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 4 2014, 06:31 PM)
Ah.... I know how it feels.

To overcome this, for me, last time, when I was doing fake trading,
I would write down the stocks that I like...
and I would write down the what ifs...

for example... if A moves past 70, then....
or if B moves down 2 sen, then....

I get mentally prepared....

It does help a lot.
However, for me, I discovered that active trading is not for me.
I am much better player trading over the months.
Be more selective and be more patient and once find target, shoot like hell.
That suited me.
Just sharing la.
Might not work for you.
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Fake trading? I did that quite a lot. I think it was effective because no money is involved.

I asked my brother countless time to buy DiGi from 23-33 but he would not listen. I also ask him to buy Hartalega @7.80 before first split. I asked him to buy Tenaga near RM5.xx

Personally, the shares that I like takes very long time and I get impatient at times. I did bought KLK (got some funds before marriage) at 9.xx but after 2months without action, I sold. After that I bought Hartalega at 7.80 and it also stay there for a month or two but sold it as well. After my marriage, depleted all my savings and the two sons that follow did not help as birth complication rob me of my yearly bonuses. I only get some funds to play with after tio 15k 4D. Saved 5k for each son and whatever left just use to trade lor.
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post Apr 4 2014, 07:18 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 4 2014, 07:11 PM)
Sometimes hor play on paper different than play with real money....

When I am playing with stock simulator with virtual money to learn the ropes easy to buy/sell happy happy go lucky.  Decision to buy sell can consider on the spot one..easy only... nod.gif

Then when come to real thing playing with money that is accumulated on many years of salary, have to consider 101 things before buy sell. Want to buy or sell have to think and consider many many times especially with large amount involved.  sweat.gif

From fearless-gung-ho trading in simulation to scared-like-shit in real trading, it is not the same.  laugh.gif
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Yes. Money that stained with sweat, blood, semen etc.
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post Apr 4 2014, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(billy_overheat @ Apr 4 2014, 07:41 PM)
I do the old fashioned way, exercise books leftover from many years ago. tongue.gif

I do keep track of my paper trading and yes, I'm still searching my path to make sense of everything.

So, I want to climb mountain liao, anyone can point me direction?
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I only climb Genting Highlands...
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post Apr 4 2014, 08:13 PM

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Haha.. I rarely gamble, no luck. Mostly also buy 4D.
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post Apr 5 2014, 09:36 AM

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AhBoon so early geh? Today no market wor... do homework again aaa?
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post Apr 5 2014, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 5 2014, 09:36 AM)
....... sweat.gif

Sun Tzu is one great sifu.... tongue.gif
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Zhuge Liang is better... endure endure...
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post Apr 5 2014, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 5 2014, 09:43 AM)
Not yet...... sweat.gif
here's a good exercise. (please take it purely as an exercise and do NOT put any money in it... )

Dsonic.

Look at it....
study it.....

1. If you were a wanna be buyer....
2. If you were a HOLDER .....

1 is obvious. Stock is falling, would you buy?
If you want to buy, what price would you buy?

For 2, if you own the stock, what now?
Hold? Buy more? Where would you get up and say, you have enough and cut pisang?

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Hmm... never thought so detail. Headache every now and then.

For me, simple... I wont hold such stock and I wont chase unless there's oppurtunity to make quick money with little or no risk.

1. Anywhere near 30% limit down is practically safe, because risk is limited.
2. Company doing fine, although may be overly priced
3. There are always scrap hunters that think the same way

The only thing I fear is suspension, which is why I didnt think of placing order at 330 waiting for it. Instead wait and see for a while when it reach 29.xx% down.
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post Apr 5 2014, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 5 2014, 10:00 AM)
What if you did?
hehe... must be ambitious ma....
Say you hold this stock.
After you buy, it keep going up, everday....
Everyday you want to sell... cos you think it gone up enough already....
you find the stock continue to climb.
Yeah... you cannot find where to sell... doh.gif
Suddenly, it's up 100%...
and soon 200%....
and then 300%........

What's next?

hehe... don't you want to prepare yourself in the future?  nod.gif

See this test/exercise for you is..... simple training.  nod.gif

Run thru the issues I raised for you again.

I just posted 2 charts for you....

Look at it again.... smile.gif
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No what if... definitely sold, no matter how attractive..

The only possibility of me holding is say, after 1 split 5, might sold 2-3lots to lock in the cost + profit, the remaining 2 lots no eye see.
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post Apr 5 2014, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 5 2014, 11:03 AM)
My observation is that the current rally is stalling.....  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif

Hehe... sometimes I guess numbers is easier to look.

i3 page is easier to see ...

user posted image

What do you see?

Can you see there's now more red?

The last 7 trading days, there are 5 trading days in the red. wink.gif

On 26/3, Inari hit high of 287, then it corrected to a low of 261 on 1/4...
Stock rallied as usual after that...

BUT ... the rally lasted only 2 days..... hitting a high of only 291.

For me, I could be wrong but it looks as if the price is stalling already.....  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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Honestly, I was interested with Inari as well, but went with Insas. I was not prepared to give it a 15 PER given the dividend history. Besides I read an article about contracting margin which may well hit later in the year.

I was looking at 20-22cents FY2014 x PER 10, which does not give much room while its already at 1.8x

As for Insas, Im looking at 20-25cents FY2014 x PER 6 (no/low divident plus its an investment holding with no direct exposure), which is why I went in at 94cents despite being the resistance level, and end up staying there for a month before it finally fly.

Oh well, everyday learning... nothing is stagnant... market really have appetite for higher risk which I personally dont like.
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post Apr 5 2014, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 5 2014, 12:14 PM)
If the growth maintains, 10x PER is too little la....
Which was what I argued about last Sept.

Based on current/trailing eps, Inari eps is 18 sen and a 15x pe is about 270.
But when you use current eps number, it implies no growth.
Adding in growth factor, a lower conservative eps should be about 20 sen and 15x would work out to my favorite number 3.

Which is about fairly valued.

So why are we talking about Inari and its charts?

LOL!

We are talking about cutting pisang. whistling.gif

Looking where to sell and not buy.
And you do know that the fortunes of Inari's stock price would impact Insas right?
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So? I sold... laugh.gif laugh.gif
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post Apr 5 2014, 12:21 PM

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I do not have appetite for 15x PER for such companies frankly. Even established glove counters like Kossan and Supermax only get 15x PER.

For me 10x PER really good liao... a bit conservative but I always priced them about 10-20% lower la. The final 10-20% sometimes takes forever to reach.
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QUOTE(hehe86 @ Apr 5 2014, 12:22 PM)
nod.gif  biggrin.gif IFFFFFFFFFFFF i'm in, break 2.6 bye bye lo

DSONIC, 3.3, 2.8x. K la i also go do fake trading with these and see biggrin.gif
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Better go climb mountain, breath fresh air... minum kopi and prepare for Monday...
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post Apr 5 2014, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 5 2014, 12:25 PM)
Errr... you would in at 3.30?

Do test it out...
and see what happen next.
And yes, I STILL do fake trading.  nod.gif
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You should try this

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post Apr 5 2014, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 5 2014, 12:36 PM)
shakehead.gif  shocking.gif

I take stocks extremely seriously. tongue.gif

Fake trading is always a must for me.

It has helped me get where I am today.

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Most here are serious too. The thing is why practice on stock you dont dare to touch? No matter how you play it, your heart still 15 16 when it comes to the real thing.

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