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 AMDŽ Socket-AM2 Overclocking thread, discuss our setup/overclocking issues

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coolblade
post Feb 1 2007, 05:15 PM

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so, is it will effect the mainboard, cpu, ram, gfx after overclocking?

I am planning to overclock my computer, but after read kalakatu's post here, i am a bit afraid.. any workaround?

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post Feb 1 2007, 05:54 PM

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I found that biostar tforce 550 can't lock the PCI clock at 33.3 MHz, if I want to overclock my computer. I've updated the BIOS to latest version, but after checking with clockgen utility, the PCI lock still not applied for this mainboard. Any user experience this, and able to overcome this problem?

PCI lock is important if we want to use any PCI card on this mainboard. Who know, in the future, we want to use the latest creative audigy PCI card, we want a stable environment, thus need the PCI locked at 33.3 MHz, isn't it?

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post Feb 1 2007, 06:26 PM

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I've downloaded the BIOS from http://www.lejabeach.com/Biostar/6100-550/N5taa703.rar. Then I flashed the BIOS but after checking with clockgen utility again, I am still unable to set the PCI clock locked at 33.3 MHz.

This drove me crazy a bit. How I able to overclock if this PCI lock issue unsettled??

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post Feb 1 2007, 06:45 PM

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Yes, I have resetted the CMOS after update. But still can't lock the PCI clock at 33.3 MHz. Why?

I just noticed that the tforce 550 mainboard I used is revision 1.2 (imprinted on the board)

From biostar website, they already have revision 1.3 board.

I wonder if I can ask the shop to replace my mainboard to the latest revision? This could be a solution for locking the PCI clock, as I am sure the latest revision overcome the problem...

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post Feb 1 2007, 06:57 PM

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QUOTE(camedemac @ Feb 1 2007, 06:49 PM)
i forgot what revision of my board. when u bought this mobo?
i bought my mobo before long time ago (early september 2006 i think)
i'm not sure if they can replace ur board with other revision unless ur mobo is faulty, then they change with new one tongue.gif
I bought this mobo yesterday, after I got PM from soulfly (I asked him, which is suitable and affordable mainboard).

@zamree7

are you the same person of modernopc id?

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post Feb 1 2007, 07:09 PM

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clockgen utility from http://www.cpuid.com/clockgen.php

I am using the latest version of this software.

Well, I thought u are using the same mainboard as mine. So, what mainboard do u use now? Sure a bit better than the old one.

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post Feb 1 2007, 07:20 PM

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that why I am not satisfied with my mainboard. I've spent RM 290 to buy this mainboard. I do not think I should spend money again to look another mainboard.. sigh... what a bad timing...

I got no problem changing mainboard without reinstalling Windows XP, I just using sysprep utility, and voila, take only 6 - 10 minutes to complete migration from old mainboard to new mainboard. Personally I think that buying a new mainboard is not a problem if you have a lot of money, but i am in tight budget nowaday.

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post Feb 1 2007, 07:40 PM

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QUOTE(camedemac @ Feb 1 2007, 07:28 PM)
actually no need to change mobo laa bro. i think there's a solution for your mobo. what proc u use now bro?
Look at my sig below. I am using AMD Athlon64 3000+ AM2 CPU (Orleans)

QUOTE(allenultra @ Feb 1 2007, 07:35 PM)
coolblade, latest bios revision solved the PCI bus unlock problem.
Please get any bios newer than BIOS N5TAA615.BST.

It isn't about the board revision, it should be the bios instead.
Do u mean this page? --> http://www.biostar.com.tw/t-series/downloa...tails.php?id=21

I've tried this, but not to avail yet in locking the PCI clock.

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post Feb 1 2007, 08:03 PM

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nevermind, I know you are helpful. I'll try again by using another old bios file to see whether I can lock the PCI bus clock.

Let see if anyone have solution. Maybe allenutra or soulfly get a workaround, who know...? wish.gif


Added on February 1, 2007, 8:14 pmsorry friends here notworthy.gif

I just found that in BIOS I should MOS or AOS in the overclocking navigator engine (ONE) first, then can see the effect of PCI lock. Previously I am using normal setting at Overclock Navigator, which make the clockgen software render that PCI lock is unlocked.

Oh my god, If I know this earlier, I would not rant a bit here. Sorry again, friend.

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post Feb 2 2007, 09:03 AM

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my result on overclocking. any advise to go higher? I've tried to use HTT mul 267 MHz (where 267 x 3 = 801 MHz) but it failed SP2004 priming test within 12 secs. What should I do?

by the way this is memory setting that I read via a64tweaker software and cpuz. I leave the default timing 5-5-5-15. Any chance to tighten?

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update me also...

3000+ orleans | coolblade | Biostar T-Force 550 | Kingston DDR2 667 | AMD stock heatsink | 2250 MHz

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post Feb 2 2007, 10:01 PM

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where you buy the 3800+ proc?
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post Feb 2 2007, 10:12 PM

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Try ask other forumer that also bought the proc from the bulk order; what is their experience in overclocking the proc? Maybe you can get some idea to resolve the matter.

Oh ya, I just read the bulk order, the seller said he provide six months warranty, if I am not mistaken.

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post Feb 2 2007, 11:15 PM

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wonder if this cpu available for sales in Malaysia?

Click Here


Added on February 2, 2007, 11:26 pmThis utility for dual core CPU users

http://www.mlin.net/SMPSeesaw.shtml

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post Feb 3 2007, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(casperito @ Feb 3 2007, 11:50 AM)
QUOTE(coolblade @ Feb 2 2007, 11:15 PM)

wonder if this cpu available for sales in Malaysia?

Click Here
u can get it from kingmaker_20 bulk...
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This is engineering sample. Not yet available in market nowaday. By the way, I suspect this is Barcelona equivalent core that designed for AM2 system. What I mean, this is an AM2 CPU with L3 cache amount of 2 MB.

I do not know if kingmaker_20 can get it here in the near future. Sure very very expensive.

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post Feb 4 2007, 02:28 PM

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Quoted from www.dailytech.com

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The desktop equivalent of Barcelona, codenamed Agena, is the 65nm flagship of AMD's next-generation desktop processors.  Launch frequencies were quoted at "2.4 - 2.6GHz." Previous roadmaps had indicated Agena would debut at 2.7 to 2.9 GHz.  Agena will have a 2MB L2 and 2MB L3 cache per CPU.  AMD's internal guidance denotes this as a 125W TDP processor. As the flagship, Agena will be the first next-generation desktop launch and is scheduled for Q3'07.

Kuma, the dual-core mainstream next-generation desktop processor was quoted as having launch frequencies of "2.0 - 2.9GHz."  Unlike the quad-core Agena processors, Kuma will feature 1MB of L2 and 2MB of shared L3 cache. Kuma will launch with both 89W and 65W TDP variants, but Energy Efficient models scheduled for 35W TDP will follow shortly after.

Rana, the next-generation Sempron successor codename, will launch with frequencies in the 2.1 to 2.3 GHz range.  The dual-core CPUs will feature 1MB of total L2 cache, but no L3 cache.  Rana's TDP is rated at 65W.  Rana will not launch with the Agena flagship; AMD roadmaps have the processor launching at the same time as the Energy Efficient Kuma processors, or approximately Q4'07 if the launch schedule holds together.

As previously reported on DailyTech, Stars processors will use AM2+ motherboards.  These processors can plug into existing AM2 motherboards today given the proper BIOS updates, but without the AM2+ sockets Stars processors will drop down to the HyperTransport 1.0 bus speeds.

AMD's Agena FX codename also appears to still exist on the roadmap.  The only difference at this point between Agena and Agena FX is that Agena FX will use the Socket 1207+ interface.


Quoted from www.wikipedia.org:

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The Socket AM2+ is the immediate successor to Socket AM2 currently used in several AMD processors such as Athlon 64 X2, Socket AM2+ will be a mid migration from Socket AM2 to Socket AM3 and will be fully compatible with Socket AM2, so processors designed for Socket AM2 will work on Socket AM2+ motherboards and vice versa.

Socket AM2+ will have some differences however that will be used in AM2+ chips, there are two main features in Socket AM2+ not in Socket AM2:

    * HyperTransport 3.0 operating at up to 2 GHz
    * Advanced power features summarized as having split power planes, probably one for CPU Cores, and the other for the Integrated Memory controller (IMC), this will help for more advanced power management control.

AMD confirmed that AM2 processors will work in AM2+ motherboards and AM2+ processors will work on AM2 motherboards. However, due to the lack of support of HyperTransport 3.0 and separated power planes in Socket AM2 motherboards, AM2+ chips will be limited to the specifications of Socket AM2 (HyperTransport 2.0 at the speed of 1 GHz, one power plane for both Cores and IMC). AM2 chips will not benefit from faster HyperTransport and separated power planes on AM2+ motherboards as they do not support them, AM2+ motherboard then fall back to compatibility mode using AM2 specifications.

According to confirmations from AMD, Socket AM2+ will have compatibility path with Socket AM3, AM3 processors will work in AM2 motherboards; however, AM2 processors will not be compatible with AM3 motherboards.


Therefore, our existing mainboard still can support the next generation AMD CPU, if the manufacturer provide BIOS update. However, AM2 mainboards are using HyperTransport 2.0, while AM2+ or AM3 mainboards are using HyperTransport 3.0
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post Feb 4 2007, 08:38 PM

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I've read the article at pcmoddingmy:

DFI Infinity NF UltraII-M2 Review

but I do not understand why he can change the multiplier from 9 to 7 for the CPU? Isn't AMD Athlon64 is multiplier locked? Only AMD Athlon64 FX type has multiplier unlocked, isn't it?

Picture of his overclocking

Anyone can explain that?

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QUOTE(allenultra @ Feb 4 2007, 09:47 PM)
coolblade
for athlon64, multiplier is unlock downward.
while for FX series, multiplier fully unlock.
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Ok, noted. Thanks allenultra
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post Feb 5 2007, 07:39 AM

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QUOTE(sjn hassan @ Feb 5 2007, 01:47 AM)
which part??
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CPUZ screenshot. pcmoddingmy did 2811.7 MHz by using multiplier 7. The proc is AMD Athlon64 AM2 3000+, which it's multiplier is 9. I thought the 'normal' Athlon64 processor's multiplier is locked, but allenultra pointed out that not totally locked. It is just multiplier unlocked downward. Only FX series is totally multiplier unlocked.
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post Feb 5 2007, 08:56 PM

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If setting HT link above 1000 MHz, is it stable for long run? Coz some forumers said it is advisable to keep it below 1000 MHz.

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