Hi all, i would like to ask how if i want to work in Australia and yet i am a malaysian, what is the procedure that i need to go through?

Ur help will be highly appreciated

http://www.immi.gov.au

You can go to any of their job centre to look for a job. After you got the job, the company will apply work permit for you.

that's one good way dy.. after you've been working for let's say few years in oz,
then apply for PR...then u can hunt for other jobs in oz...

some company require you to FIRST Get the job and APPLY on your own. They only endorse and host

live and learn lor....do extra work, we're after all kuli

erm... we need to have a company who help us on the visa right??? else we cant jus simply go in and look for job.... am i right?

Take tourist pass first. Once you got the job, your boss will settle for you on the permit

Wow.... any job in Aussie??

Want to know more ..... thanks anyway~

hmm. that's such a general statement.

try browsing www.seek.com.au, www.mycareer.com.au, www.careerone.com.au

I'm not sure about companies sponsoring you on work permits and everything though... maybe, if you're highly qualified senior professional in particular fields.

You do not need very high academic qualification to get the work permit. Someone who work in the Chinese restaurant as waiter also stay a chance to get one

If you are looking for a good pay job in an office and so on....have to wait and the chances is not that high. The best way is to get a tourist visa and then go there and hunt for a job but in the meantime get a job in the restaurant to cover all the costs there. Good luck anyway

This is what i'm trying to say

are you graduated from australia university?

Are you directing the question to me or the thread starter ?

thread starter to be exact. sorry to make you confused.

What Alextan99 said in short is "jump aeroplane"

in another words slim chance?

yeah, jump aeroplane, thats what I am doing now...
I mean dont do like that, you will regret like me.
if you want to be a legal person, look for a company that willing to hire you, and most importantly they willing to give you a working permitt also, BEFORE you go!! if you come as tourist visa it will stay for 6 month, and its not easy to find a job thats can offer you working permitt unless you have special skill like chinese doctor or what so ever special skill. or the easiest way, look for a school(cheap one) that offer english course, apply for student visa and that will atleast hold for a year.
if you dont want all the hustle thing just jump like me.

Spend some money, get a graduate diploma then apply for PR. Not easy, but it works.

thats a bloody long way. how if people want money desperately??people want to work overseas coz they want earn more money ma...not spend more money....

Who told you that you'll earn more overseas? Sure, the exchange rate is high but don't forget, the tax is high too. Assuming you're legally employed there.

Gone are the days where you can just enter a country and work illegally. The authorities are very strict. Once caught, it's the end for you. Also, you won't be really earning big bucks without a work permit.

The best thing is, ask someone to recommend you a job. Once you reached there, you can start to apply for the permit. This will save you a lot of time

Nop, Im Malaysian

I might take English course in Aussie as well, still thinking, thanks anyway

I tot of tat too ... but is really hard for me now .....

What is your highest qualification ?

spm only... but have some working exp in secretary....

If working overseas will not earn more than working locally, why in the world would people want to jump???I can pretty damn sure that if you work as the same position in the overseas compare to malaysian you will get a hell lot of salary, just talk at me for example, If I work as a waiter in malaysia top hotel like shangri-la top restaurant lafite the most I will earn is like rm1800 -2000 per month maximum, I know that coz I train in the human resource b4, secondly, I you are no local kl people you will have to pay transport, rent, tax etc etc etc.in the end you onlike got less than 1000 to save

then if you work here (UK) as a waiter, you can atleast earn 200pound MINIMUM PER WEEK, thats equal to rm1300++ per week and rm5000++ per month, and there is alot of employer who offer accomodation and food free.if you are saver type of person you can even spend lesser than you spend in malaysia coz you dont pay anything, yes the authorities are strict but its impossible for them to check from one place to another, theres about 500000 illegal here, from all over the world. you earn big bucks working with no permitt if you lucky to find a good job, than you earn really big bucks with working permitt.

dont forget we are talking about this guy/gal who in desperate of money and low qualification. (NO OFFENCE) thats not my opinion, but my experiance.

This post has been edited by ah_suknat: Jul 22 2006, 07:56 PM

Im currently at Aussie actually .... Still thinking should I stay now to look for job or go back 1st .....

Sigh ....

did they recognize our Msia university degree certification?? Coz i believe some country don't recognize. Then end up have to work as waiter/waitress at there

fresh grade can apply work overseas?
can apply to work in england?
i want earn big pounds and see rooney in action.

my friend say go there work as waiter salary 3k pound per month, convert here around 20k.

Depends, but mearely impossible to earn that much, the most I have ever heard is 1800 pound per month, unless if you do extra job than it may be possible.
even the local brithish people also canot earn that much money la...apatah lagi we as foreigners???

can teach me how to jump aeroplane?

also how to search for jobs as waiter there?
my english is very fluent.

Do you wanna do the safe way or the not-so-safe way? the fast way or the slow way??the cheap way or the expensive way??
attention, there is no fast, safe, and cheap, gotta sacrifice atleast one.

if you wanna do the cheap and fast way then it wont be safe, just passport and come straight away, but you will have the status as illegal, thats the risk.

if you wanna do the safe way, then it wont be fast and cheap, you have to search for a job then apply working permitt, or find a school then pay the course fees, and go for interview with the embassy people.
or apply working holiday visa but you have to wait for long time. that way you are legal here.

me??I do the cheap and fast way.

searching for a waiter job is relatively easy here, got lots of people advertise in news paper.

You can look for any advert in the newspaper. Sometime they do advertise this kind of position in Australia and England.

I'm looking forward to work in Australia or England. Is very hard to go work legally. So many requirement. SucccK

most chinese restaurants prefer you to be able to speak mandarin, english and cantonese. they mostly put an advertisement seeking for waiters. from what i've heard, if you are willing to work late at night, the pay is higher, and also there's more tips?

if u're graduate at Aussi, you can easily get the PR once you have the PR it is easy for you to get a job I mean legally employed other than work in restorant....

for those gradute in malaysia, unless those company in aussi really need you else those come with PR will have the 1st priority....

the better way is let those aussie company in malaysia relocate you and work in aussie...

^^^not as easy as you think,you got to live or work there for atleast few years, not sure how long it is , pay the tax for few years, professional degree grad than you have a CHANCE to get PR. or your parents stay there for more than 5 years than apply for PR the whole family. not as easy as you think, just think about how many student there are in Aussie, In my high school there's like 1/3 of the student all go to Aussie to study.

Dunno about australia, but i used to work in the states. After taxes, as far as living costs & expenses its about the same as in Malaysia, so I save about the same amount of money there as here in Malaysia, but its in USD. So when I came back to Malaysia, the money quadrupled (3.8). So working overseas (depending on country I guess) is a good option to save money. Our Ringgit is very weak. Even if you can save RM10k-RM20k a year, its a pretty small amount depending on what you want to do (i.e. travelling overseas, tuition fees for your kids abroad, buy car, house, etc).

Also, the government isnt making it easy on us, especially with the taxes on cars. For example, as a fresh IT grad in the states I was making USD2000 net a month (after taxes, etc). As I said cost of living is about the same, so lets say RM2000 here. But a honda civic only costs USD18000 there. So if I save USD1000 a month I can get a civic within 2 years. Whereas, here a civic costs RM100,000. If I save RM1000/month that'll take me around 9 years.

Same deal with goods as well, Nike basketball shoe there around USD150, thats 7.5% of my net monthly salary (150/2000 * 100), here its RM500, thats 25% of my net monthly salary (500/2000 * 100). PS2, USD200 when launched, thats 10% in the states, here its RM1000, thats 50% of the salary. See how low the buying capacity our Ringgit gives us?

Well my cousin was actually working at a hospital at sydney which is quite high rank there but the advice she gave to her sister (nurse too) dont come over because aussie are quite racist there. They dont like foreigner especially chinese.

Is better to work at SG than at aussie since the exchange rate is almost the same. Unless u prefer the life there. But i think i prefer the food and life in malaysia at least after 5pm still got a lot of stall open and can go mamak stall yam cha hehe.

theres no place like home, seriously.

and Darun, same here, agree totally, I earn 1000pound as I earn RM2000 in malaysia, living expenses is almost the same, example I spend rm500 a month in malaysia, but i spend 200 pound only here(no tax, no need to pay food and transportaion and rent, all included), in the end I save 800 pound a month and thats equal to rm4500++ instead of saving rm1500 in malaysia

This post has been edited by ah_suknat: Jul 27 2006, 06:41 PM

You don't get me do you? I said legally employed. You do not earn more money if you spend there, it is when you spend it in Malaysia that gives you the perception that you earn more.

blue:That's wrong. Do you know how much are the 'big bucks' if you have a valid work permit?

Nope. Wrong. One can apply immediately after one's graduation under the skilled professionals class IIRC.

yes, that's right! even one can apply under the dependent visa if they have close relatives there. it is easier than the professionals class visa as you don't need as many points to get it.

that is called the australian sponsored overseas visa, yes you might not need many points but the process and time gets longer and more complicated. You need to go through another extra process called assurance of support and in general getting a PR in australia is not as easy as it sounds these days. The points have increased, application fees have also increased, wonder if they will continue to increase those factors every year..

Tumpang thread:
I m interested in working in UK. May I know the procedure to go there? Where, what, how to apply all that? Really need the info, tq. Btw, anyone interested in working there too?

It would be easier if you study there first. But then again, there are no promises. Gaining a work permit in the UK is not easy, your employer will need to show proof that you are the only suitable one for the job. That is to say, no other local or EU citizen fits the job requirement.

However, if you're in the F&B industry, the chances of you securing a job will be higher.

I dun think I qualify for any specialist job, just go there be waitress, i already pm Ah-suknat, if i really go there, maybe i'll find him n ask for his help in searching for job, accomodation all that. No, not gonna study there, coz it's super expensive, n i m not that young anymore.

Jump aeroplane loh...that's the only way. Make sure you're aware of the risks.

Actually thats not a bad option. But you must consider it very carefully. If you intend to build a career in your field of study, then you should not do that because you most likely will not be able to get a legal job. But if you just want to earn money, you can earn quite a lot even as a waiter. A few of my course mates dropped out and worked as a waiter and they can earn on average between USD 3 to 4k per month on their tips and base salary. The good side is, working in a restaurant your meals are included so you save there as well. The bad thing is you work 6-7 days a week, 12 hours a day. The side effect of the bad thing is that you wont have much time to spend your money, so you end up saving a lot.

salary as a waiter/waitress is different between the states and uk compare to malaysia. in uk n us u depend a lot on tips and service charge.usually the basic salary is very low.like 50 2 60 pound a week,i heard that the states dont even have basic.only tips. service charge and tips depend on the business and the surrounding of the area.if the area your working is poor people the give less tips. and poor business means low service charge too.but less stress. if wanna earn big bucks.go to city restaurant.but all staff very stress and bad tempered one.they will even fight infront of customer. i nearly fight with this bloody sarawakian. they even persuade you to go betting and even take marijuana.i am i good boy so i dont follow them.they will talk behind you to the boss too.waiter job also got politic one.and you better dont de zui the chef or you wont stay for long. now why do i talk about all this stuff? :?

Are u sure is only 50-60 pound a week?

may be not that low la...i think around 70 to 80 pound a week.thats your basic.but the tips and service charge so high you can get like 250 to 280 pound a week.if in peak season like christmas,boxing day,new year period. you can earn 450 pound a week but very very tired one. every 4 month you work you get a big day.the boss will give you basic salary plus one week off. i do different job. so my salary is 240 pound a week no tips or watsoever.but every 4 month i get full one week extra salary but no week off.

my sis got her PR after finished her studies and internship of 1 year in australia.

emm...may be your sis apply for gov job,or some job that really important to their community.or may be your sis proven to be a very good citizen.

then maybe they need pharmacist...she is legally earning good money right now.

so good got such good sister.compare to my sis...haiz...only know how to spend money.now 25 still studying uni.not yet working.me 21 already start working.i am not going to give her money.hehehe.

best of all, she's not working for malaysia. another brain drain.

Just in case nobody said this, the job responsibilities that you're appointed when working in Malaysia might defer as well. There might be other things they're required to do. Normally in the bigger MNC type sector, you'll find their employee job responsibilities closer to what others in other countries are doing.

After all, there's a reason they're called Multi-National.

So don't just think of pay, if you get hired but take too long to learn new responsibilities or can't perform well enough later, you'll be out of the job within a month.

I have go through IMMI website and found out that i need many years of working experience only elegible to qualify, even though i have BSC (Hons) with networking professional cert.

like 'etsuko' mention, by joining MNC company and get them to sponser you oversea. That is the best way.

That's a lot considering, lodging and food are free.

haha...wrong. You don't need to be working for the government or working in a critical profession to get a PR.

You can only apply PR if your major of study / job is in their demand list.

Generally, business degrees (other than Accounting) don't get much points to apply for PR.

Contrary to what you have said, a sibling of mine got the PR without taking a critical course. The first job my sibling had was at a call centre..........................

UK got call centre?

Well, when was that? The regulations weren't so tight few years ago. But now it is, for "Independent" applicants anyway.

2 years ago.

That's quite recent ler... Ur sibling an "Independent" applicant or u guys have relatives there? Or he/she got married to an Aussie? Or maybe had met a good employer who's willing to sponsor.

Either way.. good on him/her.

60pound x 6.3 = RM378 per week
378 x 4week(assume u r a hardcore dat work 30days) = RM1512

Erm...dun think dat amount is worth workin there tho lodgin n food r free.

The actual amount should be around 150pound to 250pound per week..now dats look more nicer to me

Independent. A pioneer, no relatives whatsoever there. Working for EMC Corporation at the moment, which is much better than the one at the call centre.

GBP1=MYR6.3? It's blardy approaching MYR7!!!!!!MYR6.83 to be precise.

You're living there. GBP60 a week is a lot if all you do is work.

brother.the 60 to 80 pound that i mention is BASIC la...each week plus tips and service charge you can get atleast 250 pound.read carefully on my previous tread. and there's nothing wrong with earning that amount of money. i am earning 240 pound a week with one week extra salary for each 4 month. so meaning. 240 x 16weeks + 240 =4080 pound for 4 month. food and room included. not paying tax. shop just downstairs. and each week i spend the most 20 pound. so 16weeks spend 320. 4080 - 320 = 3760 pound i save in 4 month. 3760 pound x 6.7 = rm25200 net save. sometimes i dont even spend a penny a week. and i dint count in my boss double paid on working public holiday.meaning i get paid 70 pound working 7 hours in that public holiday. my previous boss offer me 300 a week but i reject coz its a hard work.i prefer my job now which just pick up phone and watching top gear and the simpsons. hehe

1. you need to be a professional degree holder to get a pr in au e.g. doctor. engineer. accountant. it.
2. study at least 2 years ft in an au uni
3. must meet the 120 points if applying for individual skill assesment.

which mean if you are a recent grad with IT degree, you wont get the pr unless you got some relatives who is willing to sponsor you and they must be living in areas except metropolitan areas or fast growing areas like sydney and brisbane.


for ppl in msia, legally, u need to have studied at least 2 years in an au uni before. and after that, u need to have relevant 2 out of 3 years of working experience. illegally, there's alot of ways.

same applies to new zealand rite?

I think so...why?you wanna develop in new zealand??....there you can see cows only la...hahaha

why not ? It is depends on which country you're going to ...

I have a friend in Aussie after gradute from his degree in ee then directly go n apply PR after get the PR now he is an Legal engineer who working in Aussie ........

But in US that is diffrent case. After you gradute you must get a job in order to stay there by using your working permit for aournd 3 years then only can get PR...

In UK, last time there is a program from govn in malaysia which allow malaysian go to UK for study + work + travel. Those visa is valid for 2 years.

For those company relocate which is the most easier, don't care how long they relocate you. The most important is they help you easily to get working visa. Which is at least 3- 10 years for US.



This post has been edited by say_it: Aug 2 2006, 11:20 AM

in new zealand, life is slow mah.

i'm not too sure about nz, its really tough in aust esp for it grads. if you are an accountant, consider yourself lucky.

ausie might be more easy to apply now coz they are not a popular place for immigrant, sama apply to new zealand, but UK for example, people all over the wolrd migratte there, from China, European union, africa etc. the government had no choice but to stricten the immigration law.using points etc.

In near future, I believe aussie and new zealand will follow the same step. but wo know, as China is growing slowly as economic giant, alot of people might consider migratt to China.

That program, they called it 'Working Holiday Visa', which they have already suspended due to the misuse of the visa by certain applicant. They applied it, and then after two years, they stayed at Illegal in the UK.

I got this Visa two years ago, I was lucky that time, because they allowed us to work full time, 12 months working in the UK you are allow to switch to work permit, but this provided your employer wants to sponsor you. I am lucky enough that my employer got me 3 years work permit after my working holiday visa expired.

so kimmy are you still in uk now?got any vacancy ah?me now in birmingham.but my visa expired...

Yeap.. still in the UK.. unfortunately no vacancy at the moment.. .. sorry la. Birmingham ah.. so far man.. but I know birmingham is a nice city.. When is your visa expired?

p/s: ngi hei kk ngin ah? aiyoo.. KK choy na hang ooo?

This post has been edited by Kimmy: Aug 3 2006, 01:55 AM

are you from kk too? omg.this world is so small. got another lowyatian in uk,
somemore same hometown pm send.

It's not easy to get an Australian PRship these days.

China doesn't have laws for permanent immigration.

That is absolute nonsense. 1/4 of all Australians are born overseas. Per capita, Australia has perhaps the highest number of immigrants compared to most other developed nations. The country with the most citizens migrating to Australia (excluding NZ maybe) is none other than Britain.

The Australian migration system is realtively straightforward - you either make it or you don't. You can check that for yourself at www.dimia.gov.au website. There is no discretion involved.

http://www.oecd.org/document/21/0,2340,en_...1_1_1_1,00.html

I agree as well a recent news from the aussie treasurer called costello was calling for more aussie new born babies as he is worried in the near future the ratio of immigrants to australians will be more than 1/2 and as a result that sparked a furor among those immigrants who have been in australia for many many years.

errm...just check through,yes you guys are right.sorry for posting without research 1st.just my 2 cents anyway.
well,now i know how's it really work.thanks for the correction tho

Don't forget about Canada too.

wow so true...some ppl are just not fortunate enough to get a high education level to go in so i do agree with tat...when ppl say its not about money they are just talking plain shit !!

Hi Malaysians do have an option as Holiday Working Visa, where any Malaysian can work in Australia for a period of 12 months on and off. You can just check the Australian High Commission on the process.

Mod please let me know if I have this in the wrong category.

Hi all,

I am an SAP consultant with 7 years of working experience and I am thinking about migrating to Australia. I checked the immigration departments website and saw under IT skills in demand listed are IT business analyst, analyst programmer and a few other generic roles.

I need help on the following questions:
a) Is SAP one of the skills in demand in Australia?
b) Can I migrate there as a skilled migrant? If yes what is the process?
c) Do I need to work for years before I can migrate?
d) As the only daughter in my family, can I bring along my parents if my application is successful?

Thank you.

You should direct your query to the Australian Embassy because they should answer all your questions pertaining to immigration with your skills.

This post has been edited by nwk: Jan 5 2011, 10:21 AM

Apart from the Embassy, as suggested, you can also check with a migration agent.

Prior to the revision of the MODL list (if I'm not wrong), SAP was one of the sought after occupations when it came to IT in Australia. What you've stated is the new list (business analyst, etc).

I reckon that it's still in demand, but from my point of view it seems that getting a job over there is easier for migration. You're company may sponsor you. If you want to apply from here, I believe you can apply as a skilled. As for the process, you can get some info from the AU immigration website or speak to an agent. You could set up a non-committal meeting with an agent to discuss the eligibility (they normally don't divulge details though, since it's their bread & butter) and the general outline of things.

7 years of SAP consulting ought to be enough, as long as the experience is recent. You probably have to get the ACS to verify your experience.

As for your parents, it may take a while for you to get them over. Last I checked, there is a long average waiting time unless you pay the fee.

I can PM you some websites for help if you need, but as suggested by the previous guy, Embassy should be able to answer all your questions. Good luck in your search for details.

This post has been edited by xilepeco: Jan 5 2011, 04:02 PM

I remember SAP is highly sought after. Should be using Visa 175 or Visa 176, check it out.


Otherwise, try the migration agent at Std Chart building...forgot the name already.


For parent, the queue is more than 10 years. If pay around AUD40K, then can jump queue.

Global Migrations. Spoke to them a while back, sounds easy, according to them.

Yeah Parent's fee somewhere around there, was under 40k. Pushes the waiting down to 2 years or so.

let me try to answer your question..but im no expert...since i've got my PR few years back..

a) check the SOL
b) if u meet the points requirement, then you can migrate..
c) you've 7 years SAP experience, i guess that should be enough
d) you can include ur parents as your dependent since you are the only daughter together with your application, not a separate application..

visit GMN for more information, but one advise if u want to ask questions there, be more specific and read those existing threads before getting bombarded


This post has been edited by annielee: Jan 5 2011, 09:09 PM

Hey all, thanks for the advice and links. I will read through them.

10 years waiting list for parents?

@annielee, is there a definition to what is considered as dependent?

you have to provide sufficient prove that ur parents are dependent on you like..
- u r giving them monthly allowance
- u r the only child
- they r not working
- they r living under the same roof with you

but again, get a migration expert to help you with these.. as im not an expert..

with 7 years working exp is sap, i bet you earn a lot now.

so, pay for some professional service to assist you.

hey everyone, im in the middle of applying my migration to OZ. i just wanna ask izzit really necessary to sit for IELTS?. i mean i graduated from Nottingham in UK and sitting for and English test is just doesnt make sense. more over this test is not cheap as well. is there away i can make myself exempted for it? any advice would help

yes, if u r a malaysian, ielts is compulsory..no matter where you graduate..
unless u r US/UK citizen..

thanks annie...well then looks like im just goinna hv to sit for it.....can i ask the difficulties level for IELTS?