QUOTE(zDarkForceSz @ Jun 7 2014, 11:34 AM)
Haha.. You still remember me?I am doing well with secret way.
Forex Version XIII, Foreign Exchange Market Discussion
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Jun 7 2014, 01:17 PM
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Jun 7 2014, 03:13 PM
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Jun 7 2014, 03:37 PM
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what is the best technique? nubie here
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Jun 7 2014, 03:54 PM
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Cool forex trivia for ya...
Do you know that if you can consistently produce 5% each trading days without fail, you can grow 100 to 13150 in just 100 trading days? |
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Jun 7 2014, 03:56 PM
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Jun 7 2014, 04:09 PM
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QUOTE(9kingsir @ Jun 7 2014, 03:56 PM) of cause with compounding.BUT... do you know that at $100 account if you lose half (-50%), you need +100% to win it back to breakeven? That means it takes double the effort to win than to lose mathematically speaking. This is only 1 of many things why the house (broker) always win. Others are like: spread and/OR spread widening during news to hunt stops (for those who trade short term or news) swap (for those who trade long term) re-quoting slippage so the broker got 5 secret weapons. Now, what've you got? |
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Jun 7 2014, 06:21 PM
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Hi, i'm kinda new and not new in this forex thing. Have been trading in demo accounts for about 3 months.
Anyone can suggest a legit broker which is not a market maker and how to differentiate them? |
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Jun 7 2014, 10:22 PM
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QUOTE(lowya @ Jun 7 2014, 04:09 PM) of cause with compounding. Bro, I couldn't agree more.BUT... do you know that at $100 account if you lose half (-50%), you need +100% to win it back to breakeven? That means it takes double the effort to win than to lose mathematically speaking. This is only 1 of many things why the house (broker) always win. Others are like: spread and/OR spread widening during news to hunt stops (for those who trade short term or news) swap (for those who trade long term) re-quoting slippage so the broker got 5 secret weapons. Now, what've you got? Those you mention above, not much people understand them. That's the real bible of investment. They just become |
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Jun 7 2014, 11:05 PM
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QUOTE(Doggystyle @ May 30 2014, 03:09 PM) Hmm... Suddenly so hot and sweaty in here. Don't most events in the world have a 50% probability to happen? If you toss a fair coin, you will get either head or tail.. either has a 50% probability to happen. You go out today, it will rain or it will not. Either has a 50% probability to happen. The way I see it bro tdoption just said pattern X has A +50% chance of probability to happen. Isn't that what we all are doing here? Recognizing patterns that has a strategic edge, and bet on it? And not the other way around... Betting on patterns to happen. And if it doesn't happen you walk away. Bro lowya... Perhaps you meant well, but man, maybe you can randomly check zulu SP message board. The kind of second guessing SP gets can be ridiculous sometime. This is what he meant about a person who puts his result for the world to judge. It comes with both privilege and consequences. Well, sorry to all sifu here who prefer to lurk and come post sometime. I'm just a peanut in world of trading. More a statistic guy. But yes his trading record is out there, but that does not account for slippage and requotes.. benchmarking this against KGF, We will see who wins after a year or two. |
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Jun 8 2014, 09:04 AM
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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jun 7 2014, 11:05 PM) Don't most events in the world have a 50% probability to happen? If you toss a fair coin, you will get either head or tail.. either has a 50% probability to happen. You go out today, it will rain or it will not. Either has a 50% probability to happen. nope. trend trading has only <33% of chance. You have up, down AND sideways. 3 Outcomes given any time snapshot, and if you trade didnt get hit either up or down, swaps gets you on the sideways as mentioned in one of their secret weapon.But yes his trading record is out there, but that does not account for slippage and requotes.. benchmarking this against KGF, We will see who wins after a year or two. Caveat Emptor for newbies... those demo trading records when accounted for slippage and requotes, you would be amazed how much are those gonna cost you. Do you know that zulutrade is built with the single revenue objective to convince you to trade with their own broker? they show other broker's slippage are so high, whereas theirs are so low comparatively, oh well that is because there is no lag time if you own both the servers. So do they want to make it look difficult to make money, or are they going to tweak it such that it looks so darn easy to make a living riding other people's trades? you be the judge. |
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Jun 8 2014, 09:38 AM
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QUOTE(lowya @ Jun 8 2014, 09:04 AM) nope. trend trading has only <33% of chance. You have up, down AND sideways. 3 Outcomes given any time snapshot, and if you trade didnt get hit either up or down, swaps gets you on the sideways as mentioned in one of their secret weapon. 50% maybe only happen if you trade "Binary Options" lol.Caveat Emptor for newbies... those demo trading records when accounted for slippage and requotes, you would be amazed how much are those gonna cost you. Do you know that zulutrade is built with the single revenue objective to convince you to trade with their own broker? they show other broker's slippage are so high, whereas theirs are so low comparatively, oh well that is because there is no lag time if you own both the servers. So do they want to make it look difficult to make money, or are they going to tweak it such that it looks so darn easy to make a living riding other people's trades? you be the judge. Forex is definitely less than <33% with those Slippage, Re-quote, Swaps trick~~ To me swaps is not a problem. Sometimes I pay, sometimes I got paid. So far never gets re-quote. Slippage, this can never be avoided when there is huge volatility in the market. Is patience that worries me. This post has been edited by zDarkForceSz: Jun 8 2014, 09:39 AM |
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Jun 8 2014, 11:22 AM
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QUOTE(~UGPM~ @ Jun 7 2014, 03:37 AM) none. bcoz u hv ur own mind to interpret data n emotions to handle - which is different from person to person. coupled with discipline n planning which most do not do, u will realize different results though u r using exact same indies/rules set by others. |
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Jun 8 2014, 12:55 PM
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QUOTE(zDarkForceSz @ Jun 8 2014, 09:38 AM) 50% maybe only happen if you trade "Binary Options" lol. why patience worries you?Forex is definitely less than <33% with those Slippage, Re-quote, Swaps trick~~ To me swaps is not a problem. Sometimes I pay, sometimes I got paid. So far never gets re-quote. Slippage, this can never be avoided when there is huge volatility in the market. Is patience that worries me. are you in a hurry to .... ? |
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Jun 8 2014, 02:43 PM
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QUOTE(lowya @ Jun 8 2014, 09:04 AM) nope. trend trading has only <33% of chance. You have up, down AND sideways. 3 Outcomes given any time snapshot, and if you trade didnt get hit either up or down, swaps gets you on the sideways as mentioned in one of their secret weapon. well i got nothing to do with this kind on signal provider etc2.so i better silent lol.but i Caveat Emptor for newbies... those demo trading records when accounted for slippage and requotes, you would be amazed how much are those gonna cost you. Do you know that zulutrade is built with the single revenue objective to convince you to trade with their own broker? they show other broker's slippage are so high, whereas theirs are so low comparatively, oh well that is because there is no lag time if you own both the servers. So do they want to make it look difficult to make money, or are they going to tweak it such that it looks so darn easy to make a living riding other people's trades? you be the judge. few years back,i also join 1 group.signal provider and audio/visual class every week.the mentor will provide signal and he will give every detail why he open/trade every single trade.cost me 600usd per month.after 3 month i cancel my subscription since the signal 6/10 r/r more than loses than winning and also repeated strategy,mainly breakout,snr,fibo,pattern,divergence etc2. if want to trade forex,better trade yourself,learn from experienced. but the hard questions is,which strategy is suitable for u,which guru u should follow,which mentor etc2.never end lol.this journey will take many years. so,the most shortcut way is follow signal provider or pamm. but,u should take consideration.did u willing to dump few k to invest since this kind of so called "investment"?we are in malaysia,BNM would never protect this kind "investment". after u find good strategy maybe TA or fundamental etc2,try it on demo.profit.shifting to real account.real account u battling with market and also broker.why broker?if successful trader,broker will give u hard way to trade.SL didt trigger.TP didt trigger.market manipulation,re-quote,even some case your profit trade deleted lol. i speak to much.so,anybody who want to trade for living,learn for yourself,step by step.ok bye lol |
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Jun 8 2014, 02:50 PM
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Jun 8 2014, 07:41 PM
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Hi, does anyone here know an IB name Steve Pok? He earned a lot since age 24. Anyone know how he built his Forex fortune?
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Jun 8 2014, 08:40 PM
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Jun 8 2014, 08:42 PM
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QUOTE(WHITE ACE @ Jun 8 2014, 07:41 PM) Hi, does anyone here know an IB name Steve Pok? He earned a lot since age 24. Anyone know how he built his Forex fortune? I not sure who is he.But if he is those MLM group, I would advice you to stay off from his trap. A lot of so called IB (forex broker from NZ/AUS with not much reputation) nowadays, posting branded stuff, liquor, travel, grouping and bla bla bla... Most important they "Collect your money" not you bank in directly to the broker. They are MLM type. Asking you invest under package (1000usd min / recommend you 2000usd & above), got what fund manager trade for you promise certain % of return. You only can touch 70% of the remaining, 30% locked. The head took the 30% your investment and give some % to the IB that recruit you. This is where their fortune came. Besides that, every trades you enter & closed they get a certain amount of commission too. |
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Jun 8 2014, 09:47 PM
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QUOTE(zDarkForceSz @ Jun 8 2014, 09:38 AM) 50% maybe only happen if you trade "Binary Options" lol. Swap and spread is too small to take into account if you trade long term trend following strategy. I personally have no issue absorb the losses on this two. That's the reason I trade forex instead of stocks.Forex is definitely less than <33% with those Slippage, Re-quote, Swaps trick~~ To me swaps is not a problem. Sometimes I pay, sometimes I got paid. So far never gets re-quote. Slippage, this can never be avoided when there is huge volatility in the market. Is patience that worries me. 50-50 is correct for me. However, the market has been sideways since January. I have no profit for Q1 and now is already last month of Q2. Current drawdown for my equity is -5.5%. All I hope now is currency market to start trending, just like previous few years, which I made good profit. Again, I am long term, I have my yearly ROI, don't really care about daily profit. |
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Jun 8 2014, 09:48 PM
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QUOTE(zDarkForceSz @ Jun 8 2014, 08:42 PM) I not sure who is he. Very true. If you want to trade real forex, don't go for MLM type "broker".But if he is those MLM group, I would advice you to stay off from his trap. A lot of so called IB (forex broker from NZ/AUS with not much reputation) nowadays, posting branded stuff, liquor, travel, grouping and bla bla bla... Most important they "Collect your money" not you bank in directly to the broker. They are MLM type. Asking you invest under package (1000usd min / recommend you 2000usd & above), got what fund manager trade for you promise certain % of return. You only can touch 70% of the remaining, 30% locked. The head took the 30% your investment and give some % to the IB that recruit you. This is where their fortune came. Besides that, every trades you enter & closed they get a certain amount of commission too. |
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