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 Your Car's FUEL CONSUMPTION, needs info, please...Topic merged..again

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tctham
post Nov 2 2020, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(DM52 @ Nov 1 2020, 07:24 PM)
Shift as early as possible without lugging ur engine..I dont really agree with max efficiency achieve at 3k to 4k rpm. Had u test shift at 2500rpm and it return worse fuel economy than 3-4k rpm?. If u said, just a bit more only, then it is acceptable. If u said, 2500rpm is suck more than 3-4k then I respect ur car.

Its same like argument here b4 where someone said 110kmh is the optimal efficiency of his cars, while majority cars out there optimal efficiency is at 80kmh to 90kmh.

Btw, have a look, demonstration show best fuel efficiency is achieve when changing gear at 1500rpm to 3000rpm


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for my car persona vvt, the sweet spot is truly 2.9k-3k rpm to upshift if you are still planning to accelerate gently.
Basically, the car needs 2k at least to do decent acceleration. Upshifting from 2.5krpm will make the next gear start at around 1.8k rpm, which will bog down the car's acceleration.
It will struggle for a while, before picking up again (after 2k rpm).
This is especially apparently for 5th gear. If I'm in 5th gear below 2krpm, will gently decelerate. Need to press accelerator around 40% in order to maintain speed. Which is rather fuel consuming.
So during 4th -> 5th gear, i may even pull up to 3.2k rpm so that i can enter 5th gear in 2.2k rpm, where i just need to feather 15-20% to the gas pedal to maintain speed.

When I first gotten this car, i tried to upshift as soon as possible.. keeping the car RPM around 1.5k-2.5k rpm. but i ended up getting a worse FC and very poor experience, as the car feels sluggish at all times. Then sometimes as I was rushing, i held on the gear for longer periods, and during that week, i actually gotten better FC. that's when I realized, it's better to accelerate asap to your desired speed, than to slowly crawl to your desired speed at higher gears.
another thing that aids fuel consumption, is downshifting to lower gears during hill descend. Higher RPM, but engine braking actually keeps FC low.
Tried descending with 4th gear (2krpm) vs 3rd gear (3k rpm). Generally get better results with 3k rpm. 2nd gear (4.2k rpm) too noisy. didn't bother/like doing that during descend (unless i'm already in the 2nd gear at the moment)

p/s: i've read back and noticed ppl was discussing over saga blm mt. Well my wife is driving saga blm mt, and i can only say, the car characteristic is very different from my persona vvt mt. Her car can easily move within 1.5k-2.5k rpm. When driving her blm, i never needed to rev till 3k. Tend to upshift a lot earlier. Persona VVT needs at least 15kmh to move smoothly in gear 2 (without needing to hold onto the clutch that long), as opposed to her BLM, which can easily slot in 2nd gear at 5kmh and move smoothly with clutch fully engaged.

This post has been edited by tctham: Nov 2 2020, 11:07 AM
tctham
post Nov 5 2020, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(mffa @ Nov 5 2020, 04:16 PM)
Cruising speed is the most efficient phase in any car..We use company car, my kolik drive at middle lane between 100kmh to 120kmh, but when times comes to overtake middle lane, he always rev, overtake then enter into middle lane back.kek. While me drive consistent 140kmh, very minimal rev. Even no use brakes, just let off from throttle if find slow cars.

U guess what, my driving style more economical.lol.

High speed may sap fuel, but its not as damaging as people think. But I do see if people drive fast they like brake hard when approaching slower cars then rev acceleration like mad want to achieve back high speed.

Its like high speed cruise but steady vs high speed but rough, got a lot of difference.
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Nov 5 2020, 05:10 PM)
My idea it save fuel for bigger engine where even on 140kmh, rpm stay below 3k rpm

But if it a Viva Elite, at 140kmh the rpm hovering at 4.5k then it drink fuel a lot
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yep. depends from car to car. Bigger engine and certain transmission definitely can afford to cruise at higher speed. For small engines like my persona and saga, even going 120kmh is worse than going 90kmh. Much less 140kmh. The engine needs higher RPM perhaps due to lack of power / lack of higher overdrive gears to cruise comfortably at high speed.

 

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