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 Your Car's FUEL CONSUMPTION, needs info, please...Topic merged..again

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DM52
post Nov 1 2020, 07:24 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Nov 1 2020, 05:40 PM)
the sweet spot is actually within the power band...between peak torque and peak power....say 4k to 7k... but we don't usually try to do century run ah from every traffic lights... hahaha

so the comfortable gear change ends up just before or around the peak torque rpm... old engine around 4-5k, modern around 3-4k... except rotary around 7-9k...

I enjoy driving...so I don't worry about fc... but since I know the "secret to good fc" , my fast launching and higher speed don't sap my fc too much... hahaha
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Shift as early as possible without lugging ur engine..I dont really agree with max efficiency achieve at 3k to 4k rpm. Had u test shift at 2500rpm and it return worse fuel economy than 3-4k rpm?. If u said, just a bit more only, then it is acceptable. If u said, 2500rpm is suck more than 3-4k then I respect ur car.

Its same like argument here b4 where someone said 110kmh is the optimal efficiency of his cars, while majority cars out there optimal efficiency is at 80kmh to 90kmh.

Btw, have a look, demonstration show best fuel efficiency is achieve when changing gear at 1500rpm to 3000rpm



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post Nov 5 2020, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(mffa @ Nov 5 2020, 11:57 AM)
Fast launch and higher speed dont sap my fc much

Tbh, fuel consumption not much difference between speed. Lets say someone cruise 80kmh with someone cruise 100kmh.

The main culprit is acceleration. that is why cannot launch fast fast. Yeah, I met a lot people like u, fast launch then long driver hope the fc will be efficient. its not.

if u got fc reading on dashboard, u try drive
1) 2k rpm, then cruise 100kmh
2) 4krpm, then cruise 80kmh.

I had try above method and Option 1 is more fuel efficient. But option 1 cannot be follow by someone who easily butthurt at traffic light and want to win drag race like what 90% malaysian driver are.

I dunno why, the option 2 just dont work. Maybe too much fuel burning during that short period of times.
No need to glance so frequently la bro..sometimes also can..the most important is rights leg is consistent.
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U cant have a cake and eat its too..at traffic light, even bmw 330i will lose to honda city if city do full throttle and 330i do partial throttle..

what I do is, usually will maintain 2500rpm, lets car beside fly to the moon then later usually will overtake them. most of them I see, drive slow later with the hope to save fuel, but fuel burn kaw kaw at the beginning they dont realize/care.kek.

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post Nov 5 2020, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Nov 5 2020, 04:24 PM)
you're complicating the issue.... constant 140 will use more gas than constant 100... for sure

and erratic driving style will hurt fc...as you know
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QUOTE(mffa @ Nov 5 2020, 04:46 PM)
Not far dude..100 can be as high as 140 if rough driving which is habit for malaysian.
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100 definitely more fuel efficient than 140 on constant. thats is the facts. but 140,150,160 can be economical vs always rev lower speed.

Some people so proud drive slow, but he always accelerate and decelerate on the move. so economical throw to the sea.

We need to teach our citizen in order to hit good fc, minimize as low as possible acceleration and deceleration, not speed alone. thats no 1 fc killer. U can still can get good fc driving fast and constant, but u for sure cannot get good fc if rough during acceleration and deceleration.

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post Nov 5 2020, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(set @ Nov 5 2020, 05:08 PM)
not really, during mco I hit 5.5km/L on my car, that's without any other car on the street, I jam 20 years also never hit that level of FC.
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fuh..200kmh on empty road?. lol. u got balls of steel.


QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Nov 5 2020, 05:10 PM)
My idea it save fuel for bigger engine where even on 140kmh, rpm stay below 3k rpm

But if it a Viva Elite, at 140kmh the rpm hovering at 4.5k then it drink fuel a lot
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Lower power car not suitable to drive fast. it will consume more fuel. I remember see m3 vs prius. on high speed, prius eats more fuel over m3. kek.

and back to viva topic, I dont know why so many zoom fast fast flying on highway. its should be for fuel efficiency. but they all drive fast, beat the purpose. small engine drive up to 150kmh.kek. dunno what they trying to prove.
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post Nov 5 2020, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(set @ Nov 5 2020, 07:34 PM)
let's just say i miss those mco days

before this I also believe, rush hour traffic jam stop and go crawling it's what destroy the fuel consumption,
but after 2 months of mco with me still going to work using the same route with 0 traffic, end up using more fuel

so I don't know what to believe now
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U dont specify how u drive nia..If free flow traffic use more fuel, then highway drive will burn more fuel than city stop and go. which is not the case for most cars

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post Nov 5 2020, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(constant_weight @ Nov 5 2020, 08:20 PM)
Here's spreadsheet I developed to compare transmission of various car type at redline and 3000rpm. It shows their theoretical top speed if not limited by engine power or electronic.

More powerful engine can afford to have wider overdrive gear ratio thus cruise at lower rpm, it is the transmission.

Gearbox change speed and torque. A 10 to 1 (10:1) speed reduction gear set reduce the speed from driver to driven gear by 10x, it also amplify the torque by 10x. In overdrive, it is the other way round 1:2 ratio double the output speed, but drop the torque by half.

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very attractive spreadsheet. u automotive engineer urself?. If u are, then please active more and correct those facts in k and f&f. lol.

last time got few automobile engineer here. but all no longer active. they found life outside maybe

 

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