With the current new cards and new performance, it seems that the current categories for different range of cards are no more relevant. While 256-bit cards may compete with 128-bit cards, it seems that it is not fair eventhough both of 'em had 12-pipelines. Heck, some 4-pipeline cards may even spot DDR3s on 'em which is unfair to the others with their DDR and DDR2. Wait.... even DDR is competing with DDR2.

How about SLI/crossfire? Even entry cards like 7300GT can mate themselves.

So, I came up with a diplomatic way to sort out the problem, via poll and discussions with everyone.

Option 1 & 2 : We will have high-end, midrange, and low-end as usual... but with revised requirements. Either we sort them according to card's memory bandwidth or according to the number of pipelines. How much justice will it do? I don't really know.

Option 3 : Ignore all the cards spec, just unite 'em all! Sounds rock huh? The idea was to separate different benchies into different threads. Cards are ranked together...the only matter is the score. Maybe we can divide between ATI and nVidia. Crossfire and SLI would still be separated into different group each under their respective brands. No more top-10, top-20 or top-whatsoever.

Option 4 : No change. I think this will need no further explanation.

Option 5 : Oh well... it's the boss' decision anyway.

This post has been edited by soulfly: Aug 20 2006, 01:45 AM

For me, i think its better if we use bits then pipelines then memory whether its ddr3,ddr2 or ddr. That should do it.

dont really know how to say this.... but the thing is categories like low-end and mid range just doesnt work anymore i guess... espcially since the 'low-end' pcie cards can spank the 'mid-range agp cards....eg... the 7300gt spanking my 6800 vanilla

just my view....cant really think of how to re-categorize them

How abt, both are ranked, i mean, 1 for AGP n 1 for PCI-E which categorized by :
1- SLi/CF or Single
2- PipeLine

I was thinking of like:

3dmark01se/03/05/06 : all different threads

In each threads we will have:
- 1 group for crossfire/sli
- 1 group for nvidia single cards
- 1 group for ati single cards
- no top ranks... all card can enter regardless low marks

With this..there is no need to categorize the cards based on pipelines, bandwidth or such.... NO DISCRIMINATION! LOL!

I reckon we do it like XS.. a hugeeeeeeeeeeeee long list. No need to segment it.

That way we can still tell how well we do in comparison with peers having the same card...same level of cards and with higher end ones.

Of course, must state VGA and CPU clocks and whether it's single, dual or quad vgas.

This post has been edited by sniper on the roof: Jul 17 2006, 01:32 PM

I'll say we have more details included in the tables. Current Mid/High range is not enough....

Yup... agree about it.. like 3dmark 01 & 03 depend processor & Ram more than GPU.....

It gonna be thousand of pages if everyone post their nvidia card result in a thread.
How bout this?

-1 Group For CF/SLi
-1 Group on Geforce 6 Series
-1 Group on Geforce 7 Series
-1 Group on X1xxx series
-1 Group on Xxx Series
-1 Group on Legendary Series

6 Thread under 3 moderator under eyes? 2 For 1 mod.

I suggest grouping them according to MSRP price.

EDIT: Discontinued models may have no MSRP

This post has been edited by davidletterboyz: Jul 17 2006, 06:25 PM

Its better to have something like,

Each benchmark version to have its own thread, like what soulfly said.
Inside one thread, have all participated cards listed in an overall standing, from highest to lowest. Then bottom of it, categorized different series of cards. Of course, detailed information has to be provided like memory bandwidth, memory size, bus type, pipelines etc. PC spec as well.

This post has been edited by Hyde`fK: Jul 17 2006, 07:05 PM

Moderator sure pening kepala. Awhile Awhile price slash, update all the thread.

i think option 3 wud great...from there, we'll c how well our GC performed.i believed all of us already know the detail specs such pipelines, mem bandwitdh, clock speed etc...
again, option 3 shud be nice

Imagine how long the list gonna be .
And it hard for moderator to keep track with the latest score if they didnt open the thread frequently. One day 2 pages of result. If they go vacation 1 weeks..balik time, habis.

PCIE: High end, Mid end, Low End...
AGP: High end, Mid end, Low End...

screen shot 3DMarks will do, i hope.... coz some demo version kenot submit scores, no money buy retail version...

No validation from 3dmark?
Example : 6600GT on Quad SLi? You guess it



Only 20sec work.

This post has been edited by Cyclone87: Jul 17 2006, 10:11 PM

wah sh*t i dono that can happen its that a bug...

those demo version that cant submit ORB has probably been hacked...

if u download the demo version from futuremark and just install it as it is then it wont be a problem

n i agree with the PCIE/AGP low,mid,high end classifications

thanks bro... i'll try...

No no. Ever heard of Photoshop? I photoChop the picture. Mean edit. Wan to see 10digits score?

owh... never think of is done by photoshop...

Yeah...if you don't crack it..then you can submit ler.

Why split into PCI-E/AGP..how about PCI?

The whole reason for a listing is to compare dongs wat right....so doesn't matter lar...satu long list cukup lar..lets say Top 100...

Can still brag about the top scores for sayyy.... a Ti-4200 or something like that.

But AGP seem waiting time for its death. It getting nearer. And there is not much new card there. Perhaps RoJak-kan them all.

no need to put numbers.... just sort everything according to 3dmark points

Mod are t3h men for me.
Offtopic :- How was your AM2 perform? Waiting benchmark from you. I joining you in a week time.

When 4Dmark 08 comes out...........

oi.... high ka.... where got '4DMark' ...lol

that one only lottery shop use

Haiz hard to suggest... do wut easy for u mods or remain current method...

i suggest we maintain the current style, i mean the category one

1) high end

2) mid end

3) low end

and better use price range. like rm1000 and over for high end, rm500-1000 for mid end, and below rm500 for low end.
that is more realistic since most of card has almost equal price. for eg: x1900xtx rm2.2k, 7900gtx rm2k.. 7900gt rm1.1k, x1800xt rm1.3k,

if based on pipeline, there'll be more confusion. x1900xtx is 16x or 48x ? hehe then 7900gtx is only 24x.

and increase the limit to 30. for me, 20 is so few, compared with soo many cards out there.. and better put brand of the cards, and cooling use.
so it can help people who wanna buy new cards.
so they wont ask, which 7900gtx is better, XFX or Winfast

and lastly, maintain the SLI (or quadSLI) and crossfire section.


then how about 7950gx2? issit consider under SLI or single card? well since it is physically dual card, then let's put it under SLI category..

This post has been edited by irenic: Aug 8 2006, 09:36 PM

double post.. sorry! stupid connection.

This post has been edited by irenic: Aug 8 2006, 09:37 PM

i vote for em' to be classed into pipelines..

Pipelines/Bit would be better i think. Prices are not that suitable imho.

dont u think pipelines will make people confuse? nowadays are not like last time, got sikit sahaja pipeline, either 4, 8 or 12..now so many.. then if 7900gtx 24x and x1900xtx 48x, both can be put under high end? it's almost double lor

x1900xt dont have x48 pipelines la boss. it has onli x16 pipelines wif x3 pixel shader on each of it single pipe

have you guys seen XSforum's 3dmark database?

Yup, u are right.

Yup. Seen it.

No wanting to drag this issue too long... I'll go for our third option. Seems that XS forum is using a kinda similar style, so it should be okay for everyone.

Besides, the database is no more limited to Top20, so everybody will have the chance of posting their screenies. Some rules and requirements will be revised as well, so stay tuned.

The old ranking threads will be archived. For now.... they're still open for discussions.

UPDATE:

Need volunteers for 3Dmark03, 3Dmark05 and 3DMark06. Need guys that have the time and some commitment for updating the thread.

Pattern of database will follow the same style as 3DMark2001SE database which has been opened recently.

This post has been edited by soulfly: Aug 19 2006, 06:28 PM

Since all the cards will be mix, may I ask how long the list is going to be (no. of entry) ?

no limit at all ... unless the whole posting is full

prefer option no.3...oso no top 10 ranks,so all forumers feel 'live' in da community

Need volunteers? 3Dmark05/06 is suitable for me .... at least i can update it twice a week, no need to let other members to remind me.....

alright ... i will arrange 3dmark06 to be managed by wtm0325... thread will coming up later

wahh!! nice dood. hope can do the job well


hehee.. hail to wtm0325

yo bro, if u r free, i think u r more approriate for this title

no larr, not enuff stuff to run 3DMark06 currently
x1900 & 79gtx sold-off edi