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post Feb 28 2014, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 28 2014, 10:27 AM)
So you are saying she is 'lou keong'....  laugh.gif

What a dreadful thing to say to a lady.  laugh.gif
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bring rotan come.......................... laugh.gif
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post Feb 28 2014, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(hehe86 @ Feb 28 2014, 10:46 AM)
Hoho, got free time to 'chui shui'

KTL, ada goreng salcon ka?
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hohoho.... these few days... the strong uptrend stocks... got pullback wor...

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post Feb 28 2014, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(lambethwalk @ Feb 28 2014, 11:17 AM)
the CB company... already ran up so much leh...

should have taken profit hehe... don't be greedy  tongue.gif

nolar, been monitoring Y-WB... remembered that you have. chart looks like gone case...
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when it is profit taking....
someone has to be selling....
but
someone has to be buying... whistling.gif


remember... every trade got one buyer and one seller.

So the cup halfway to full.....?
or is it cup halfway to empty..... ?

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Can buy?

Empat setengah... boleh caya ka?

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This post has been edited by Boon3: Feb 28 2014, 11:37 AM
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post Feb 28 2014, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 28 2014, 11:15 AM)
Ch*e Bai company... no eye see already...  doh.gif
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laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

This is what is all about about stocks with funny names and smelly names.... laugh.gif
When gostan sikit...
very susah to listen.....

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post Feb 28 2014, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(lambethwalk @ Feb 28 2014, 11:42 AM)
had 4 really good counters... didn't take profit, then end up 1 cut loss and other 3 slash bonus until kucimiao profit

market too unpredictable...  anytime can zoom to hell sad.gif

and with limited funds, holding everything then cannot have free funds to buy on these dips
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Would focusing on the very best of what you think has most potential help?

Last time I suggested two books for you.
Got buy and read or not?
One of the book, would really help you.


Cartoon stock holding at 28...
looks like trying very hard to start a new line....
still got?


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post Feb 28 2014, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 28 2014, 11:41 AM)
Dumped 7202 with a small profit + previous dividend after disappointing 2013FY results doh.gif

Unker gark! Ada duit lebih skrang, nak parking mana! tongue.gif
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The business model is not strong.

Did you every look at the 5 year profit track record?
One year up like hell..
One year down like hell...
and it keeps on repeating the past few years....
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post Feb 28 2014, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 28 2014, 11:15 AM)
Ch*e Bai company... no eye see already...  doh.gif
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Just saw the chart..... sweat.gif

It does look scary..... sweat.gif sweat.gif
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post Feb 28 2014, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 28 2014, 11:49 AM)
Yes, past 5 years annualised/compounded growth rate is only 2-3%, and divvy payout of almost all of its earnings, things don't look too rosy going forward.

Better to cabut with profit.

Now I'm pretty cash-heavy, 15% cash in trust account doh.gif
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Not everything use cagr to compare one.
Plus cagr usage can be subjective.
You starting year of calculation is important.

Anyway if you stack the numbers up and just look at profits, you get something like this

2009 - 8 million
2010 - 11.8 million - profit up like crazy
2011 - 9.3 million - profit down like crazy
2012 - 13 million - profit up like crazy
2013 - 9.1 million - latest - profit down like crazy

It's like mickey mouse on a see saw ... sweat.gif
one minute up one minute down....
right away, even without knowing the business model...
you know the company's business is not solid at all.... sweat.gif

Then most important...
law of small numbers....
9 million profit for the whole year for a mainboard company?
very kucimai... sweat.gif

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post Feb 28 2014, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(lambethwalk @ Feb 28 2014, 11:48 AM)
didn't ....

hehe.... kena rotan  blush.gif

dont have but still monitoring. looks good like you said
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There's 2 chapters in the book...
it will help you and also gark. tongue.gif

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post Feb 28 2014, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(hehe86 @ Feb 28 2014, 10:51 AM)
Haha, which one? For Y tak cukup wo. lol
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How I know which one to tell you? cool2.gif

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post Feb 28 2014, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(lambethwalk @ Feb 28 2014, 11:48 AM)

dont have but still monitoring. looks good like you said
Forgot to say this... sweat.gif

you don't so fast itchy to go back in.....
slowly...
let it develop more first.... sweat.gif
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post Feb 28 2014, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(lambethwalk @ Feb 28 2014, 12:22 PM)
see right thru me  blush.gif
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what you are doing is... (if you jump in now)
you want to be in early...
you are anticipating that there will be up movement in the stock...
On strong bullish days...
such tactic can work like a charm....

however....
on weak days.... ( like now? rolleyes.gif )
such moves could be risky...
instead of the stock developing....
a continued weak sentiment could actually put a drag into the stock....
and instead of forming the next up leg...
the stock could actually turn down.... sweat.gif

So sometimes, for weak sentiments....
it's ok one...
to have an insurance policy...
wait for the stock to develop properly...
let it shake out all the weak holders....
once you are totally convinced....
like you see how the stock performing as per your expectation...
then only you go in...
if you have to pay one bid higher...
so be it...
that will be your 'insurance policy'.... sweat.gif

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post Feb 28 2014, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(lambethwalk @ Feb 28 2014, 12:45 PM)
paham  thumbup.gif
noted down in blue book...
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Got blue book..
Got purple book..
Got green book..
Got yellow book...

and ah... the little red book... tongue.gif
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post Feb 28 2014, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(lambethwalk @ Feb 28 2014, 12:51 PM)
i have two thick stock notebooks: blue and black  laugh.gif

both half filled  wink.gif
Make sure you read it constantly.... thumbup.gif



Got write down your mistakes or not? whistling.gif
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post Feb 28 2014, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(lambethwalk @ Feb 28 2014, 01:06 PM)
yep, took out a whole page yesterday to write BIG BIG on the 4 stocks where 80% profits were slashed.

last time kena before. still didn't learn. now kena again.

cannot have another time dy.  rclxub.gif
Biggest thing you need to remember is that you need to buy right.
Buying right helps.
The selling decision is always easier after that.
Then you need to devise your selling plans.
You know you want to let your profit grow but then you do no want to be so careless/reckless/stubborn that somehow you let those profits vanish into thin air.... sweat.gif

yeah... knowing when to sell is not that easy.


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post Feb 28 2014, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Feb 28 2014, 01:42 PM)
Boon3 Day time don't talk about people bad thing tongue.gif

http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/business-ne...der-spree-.html
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He's got no choice already.

The bad loans has blown right up his backside jor.

This morning I write...

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I think the market were expecting AA to do worse...
So now despite doing bad, it's actually better than expected. rclxub.gif tongue.gif

I just had a look at AirAsia report.
It's actually bad.

Ok, we all know AA business model.
It borrows money, lots of money, buy planes and then run the low cost modal.
At one time, it deemed USD were weak, which rightly was so.
And they were correct too.
Cheaper loans too (iinm) ....
And it kind of worked.
They were making money....
And cash flow was not too bad too.

Problem is.... I would say is the GREED factor.
They not satisfied.
Who isn't?
LOL!
They wanted more....
with it came the large orders.
Which meant... whatever good cash flow it had... will be consumed by the constant payment for new planes.
With each plane costing a bomb...
comes the need for more and more BORROWINGS....

** The 'good' cash flow is helped by depreciation of the planes.
Consider how unreal the situation is.
Current year depreciation works out to 634 MILLION!!!!
Current fiscal year PBT is only 363 MILLION!!!!!!!
The depreciation is more than the PBT!!!!
SWEAT!!!! **

This is the basic understanding of the business...
and one haven't even factor in competition (Malindo) yet...... sweat.gif

The thing to check upon everytime for AirAsia is... its balance sheet.

This fiscal year compared to last fiscal year

Cash balances: 1.385 Billion vs 2.232 Billion
Total debt: 10.17 BILLION vs 8.40 Billion

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10 BILLION in loans! WOW!

Don't need to be a genius but the simple comparison easily says that AirAsia is worse off today compared to last year.

Why?

They borrowed a lot more to buy planes.

You have to ask is it worth it and for me, it's best to compare the bottom line.
If you are going to borrow so much more, the bottom line better increase, yes?

This year PBT 363 million.
Last year PBT 962 million.

there lies the answer!!!!


What's the conclusion at this moment?

After all that borrowing increase and deterioration of cash balances, PBT shrank from 962 million to 363 million!

I easily give it FEI LO here.



In the fine points.
AirAsia has hedged 52% of its USD denominated loans. it said "The latest weighted average of USD/MYR forward exchange rate is 3.2239."

The next reporting quarter, the USD was clearly much higher.... almost 3.29 or so on average.
I think, you can expect more currency losses in the next quarter.


It's a simple stock to AVOID.

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You see the problem?
I see the problem. tongue.gif
He sees the problem. tongue.gif


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post Feb 28 2014, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(jonchai @ Feb 28 2014, 09:42 AM)
Ya, you're right. Now I'm relying on charts and "news". Haven't really gone deep into their financial reports. It's very high risk trading  sweat.gif
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JC leng chai... you see the stock you asked about this morning? sweat.gif
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post Feb 28 2014, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(jonchai @ Feb 28 2014, 02:43 PM)
Ya, I saw. Dead meat liao  doh.gif

I cut my losses there bought quite some time ago. Lost few buckets of kfc

Lucky I cut early. If not more than kfc jor.

Now back to holding blue chips until divvy / sell price can recup the loss
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This is why you don't simply buy stocks just based 100% on charts.

Man make charts one.
Sharks make charts one.

Another thing?

You said it looks as if it's at the support level right?
Well the said support level just gave way....
and the stock broke down (instead of breaking up)

Conclusion?

Is buying at support = 100% sure win strategy?

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post Feb 28 2014, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(jonchai @ Feb 28 2014, 02:48 PM)
You're right, my bad. I failed, my mistake  doh.gif

Good thing I cut early, otherwise would've lost more. Ended up moving into DLady.
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Why DLady?
What so good about it? whistling.gif
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post Feb 28 2014, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(jonchai @ Feb 28 2014, 03:03 PM)
Proposed 0.5 divvy, solid P/L and some gut feeling. Of course, I can be wrong again, but let's hope not. This is buy and hold.
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Not so long ago....
Dlady trades around 18 bucks only.
Now is 47++

Err..... why you think it went up so much?



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