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post Feb 13 2014, 05:13 PM, updated 10y ago

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These days we hear of so many robbery case where the robbers will gain entrance of the main house in the middle of the night, and proceed to kick down the bedroom door swiftly, the next thing we know.. we already have a parang pointed at us when we wake up.

So, I'm embarking on a project to replace all my bedroom doors with a more robust/security door, with say top/middle/bottom bolts, and maybe 2~3 bolts each location. Surely it will be reinforced with metal sheet or internal metal frame etc.

Does anyone have any ideas/proposal/suggestion on this? Even pointing towards a good supplier would be of great help.

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post Feb 13 2014, 07:01 PM

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wow...a hidden steel door within a cover of wooden skin?looks good but looks expensive as well.....anybody have any idea how much would this cost....it will b good to install to the rooms only i think..
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post Feb 13 2014, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(Sky_Q @ Feb 13 2014, 07:01 PM)
wow...a hidden steel door within a cover of wooden skin?looks good but looks expensive as well.....anybody have any idea how much would this cost....it will b good to install to the rooms only i think..
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about RM890 a peace !
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post Feb 14 2014, 05:14 AM

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QUOTE(Kevin Chan @ Feb 13 2014, 10:28 PM)
about RM890 a peace !
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Would you think such doors are suitable for main entrance door alone, without grille installed. Does they come with peephole? Looking for options of non-grille door that offers security. Thanks.
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post Feb 14 2014, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(Piris @ Feb 14 2014, 05:14 AM)
Would you think such doors are suitable for main entrance door alone, without grille installed. Does they come with peephole? Looking for options of non-grille door that offers security. Thanks.
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being the main entrance is the purpose of these door. already come with a peep hole.

more suitable for condo ... since other landed would be much easier to go after your window than your door.
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post Feb 14 2014, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(Kevin Chan @ Feb 13 2014, 10:28 PM)
about RM890 a peace !
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So cheap bro? Are you sure... pls link me.. if so cheap I want to install it!

I was quoted about $1400 for a wooden with metal on the OUTSIDE... yuuuckkk sad.gif
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post Feb 14 2014, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(Kevin Chan @ Feb 14 2014, 09:11 AM)
being the main entrance is the purpose of these door. already come with a peep hole.

more suitable for condo ... since other landed would be much easier to go after your window than your door.
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Bro I disagree... cause given time no matter how secure your maindoor is.. the thief/robbers will find a way in. Hence I rather install it for my bedrooms... any attempt to bypass our bedroom door would alert us and we have the extra 15min to react and take appropriate actions while they attempt to break it down.

If the thieves want to help themselves to whatever I have downstairs/living room/kitchen etc... pls go ahead... the safety of my family is more important then these material things.
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post Feb 14 2014, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Feb 14 2014, 10:26 AM)
Bro I disagree... cause given time no matter how secure your maindoor is.. the thief/robbers will find a way in. Hence I rather install it for my bedrooms... any attempt to bypass our bedroom door would alert us and we have the extra 15min to react and take appropriate actions while they attempt to break it down.

If the thieves want to help themselves to whatever I have downstairs/living room/kitchen etc... pls go ahead... the safety of my family is more important then these material things.
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post Feb 14 2014, 10:46 AM

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This type of door better put as main.
When doing renovation make sure to seal the sliding door.
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post Feb 14 2014, 10:46 AM

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You are over-doing it..
Even if you fix bomb-proof door, there will be other ways to enter your house; windows, back door, roof, etc.
Thieves always have easier options.

Robust grille is still the best.
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post Feb 14 2014, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(DanKa @ Feb 14 2014, 10:46 AM)
You are over-doing it..
Even if you fix bomb-proof door, there will be other ways to enter your house; windows, back door, roof, etc.
Thieves always have easier options.

Robust grille is still the best.
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Hahha bro... u didnt read what I posted right?

I dont care about thieves helping themselves to whatever I have in the house... I just want to protect my BEDroom. I dont want to suddenly wake up with a parang at my neck.
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post Feb 14 2014, 01:26 PM

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Than you need to protect your roofing (assuming you are living in double storied house)

Not sure of the door you posted was it tested / rated in fire safety. If its not fire rated, you risk yourself if the house on fire, and metal expand and may cause the door to jam.
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post Feb 14 2014, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Feb 14 2014, 01:26 PM)
Than you need to protect your roofing (assuming you are living in double storied house)

Not sure of the door you posted was it tested / rated in fire safety. If its not fire rated, you risk yourself if the house on fire, and metal expand and may cause the door to jam.
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I think you misconstrued what fire rating means. Its more to do with how long the door can withstand a fire situation. The problem of metal expanding and jamming the door usually is not an issue, its more to do with the hinges. Usualyl these doors use steel bearing-type hinges since if we use non-ferrous metals its more affected by temperature and risk dislocating the door during a fire.
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QUOTE(Kevin Chan @ Feb 14 2014, 09:11 AM)
being the main entrance is the purpose of these door. already come with a peep hole.

more suitable for condo ... since other landed would be much easier to go after your window than your door.
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Hang on a minute, what about grille? Say for a double story hse main door. Will such door be sufficient with out it? Thanks.
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post Feb 14 2014, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Feb 14 2014, 02:25 PM)
I think you misconstrued what fire rating means. Its more to do with how long the door can withstand a fire situation. The problem of metal expanding and jamming the door usually is not an issue, its more to do with the hinges. Usualyl these doors use steel bearing-type hinges since if we use non-ferrous metals its more affected by temperature and risk dislocating the door during a fire.
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When a door is fire rated, meaning is being tested. I am not metal expert, I am highlighting the risk of the door may be jammed due to expansion which I had experience due to bad installation, and this maybe a risk.

Back to installing such door, you need to remove the current door and frame and is not a small jobs. Usually security door are installed during renovation not after.

Another method you can use is replace the current hollow door with solid wood door, and inside the room you put a horizontal bar lock inside (Door Reinforcement Bar).

http://stoptheburglar.ie/wp-content/upload...7/P10107521.jpg
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post Feb 14 2014, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Feb 14 2014, 03:55 PM)
When a door is fire rated, meaning is being tested. I am not metal expert, I am highlighting the risk of the door may be jammed due to expansion which I had experience due to bad installation, and this maybe a risk.

Back to installing such door, you need to remove the current door and frame and is not a small jobs. Usually security door are installed during renovation not after.

Another method you can use is replace the current hollow door with solid wood door, and inside the room you put a horizontal bar lock inside (Door Reinforcement Bar).

http://stoptheburglar.ie/wp-content/upload...7/P10107521.jpg
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It depends on how the frame or the door was done in the first place, usually you do have to hack the wall, reinstall a metal frame (comes with the door) etc. Its not a small job, but a small price to pay for the safety of my family. However, I currently alrdy have metal frame so its not that bad.. some tinkering and it works.

As for horizontal reinforcement... yes my ID suggested it... but it is also the ugliest thing ever... tongue.gif
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post Feb 14 2014, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(Piris @ Feb 14 2014, 02:40 PM)
Hang on a minute, what about grille? Say for a double story hse main door. Will such door be sufficient with out it? Thanks.
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Maindoor.. dun need over do it.. cause they can just as easily go in thru window etc... and they have time... to slowly cut/etc to get in
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post Feb 14 2014, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Feb 14 2014, 04:06 PM)
It depends on how the frame or the door was done in the first place, usually you do have to hack the wall, reinstall a metal frame (comes with the door) etc. Its not a small job, but a small price to pay for the safety of my family. However, I currently alrdy have metal frame so its not that bad.. some tinkering and it works.

As for horizontal reinforcement... yes my ID suggested it... but it is also the ugliest thing ever... tongue.gif
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I have not seen any security door without the frame. Maybe they have it now but not during my reno time. The normal metal door frame is so flimsy and not strong to take any heavy door. Adding support will make it ugly.

If you worry about the room being break in, you need to look into securing the roof too. Roof is the easiest to gain access and go to any room.
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QUOTE(MeToo @ Feb 14 2014, 10:23 AM)
So cheap bro? Are you sure... pls link me.. if so cheap I want to install it!

I was quoted about $1400 for a wooden with metal on the OUTSIDE... yuuuckkk  sad.gif
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Go Giant Kinrara ... there is a shop at 1st floor, that the price i saw they put up ... virtually on discount hole year round.
i bet its exclude installation ... key maybe extra charge tongue.gif

my security very easy ... look crappier than your neighbor and put more lock.

if you are robber you also go for the better looking house.
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post Feb 14 2014, 10:28 PM

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this may work if everyone sleeps in one bedroom otherwise others might be held hostage to force you to open up

surely you already have an alarm as first defence?
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post Feb 14 2014, 11:24 PM

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this is a very good idea...

to eliminate advantage of "surprise, speed and violence of action" of criminals when home invasion occur. I m guessing this is a concept of a safe room? togethr with alarms and CCTV could be a good combination..maybe some weapons inside as well...do or die...since our crime these days really bad.

do share if you find a good source for the security door...thinking of dong same thing.
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post Feb 15 2014, 02:07 AM

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QUOTE(ycs @ Feb 14 2014, 10:28 PM)
this may work if everyone sleeps in one bedroom otherwise others might be held hostage to force you to open up

surely you already have an alarm as first defence?
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I'm doing it for every bedroom...

QUOTE(sayo @ Feb 14 2014, 11:24 PM)
this is a very good idea...

to eliminate advantage of "surprise, speed and violence of action" of criminals when home invasion occur. I m guessing this is a concept of a safe room? togethr with alarms and CCTV could be a good combination..maybe some weapons inside as well...do or die...since our crime these days really bad.

do share if you find a good source for the security door...thinking of dong same thing.
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Well... I do have weapons in the room.. but I don't intend to use it... all the bedroom's window grill can be unlocked, if I get invaded, its going to be call the police/guard (I live in a gated community with guard house about 100m away and nearest police pondok is about 1.5km away), and climb out the window as a last resort.

Will continue to post here with any good door quotes/cost.
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post Feb 15 2014, 02:11 AM

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After my house broke in last time.
My car porch never make it nice.
I don't keep expensive stuffs inside my house.
Always chit chat with my neighbors when have time.
Stay low is the keyword. Got gated so what? Still gets break in.
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post Feb 17 2014, 03:47 PM

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my opninon
1) get alarm with cms for house. put roof motion sensor inside roof to detection any human motion.
2) all grill must put vibration sensor.
3) door to put vibration and magnetic sensor. put 2 to three padlocks in ur front and back door grill. grill for windows must be installed inside instead outside. if the thief wan to break in, he need to go through window first then your grill. at least then alarm will be activated if equipped with alarm sensor.
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The last time i changed my front door and rear door, it can be done within the day. I replace mine with security door when i realised my wooden frame got attack by termite. They were the only one dealer who kowtim even the wet work for me. Pretty reasonable when they charge me rm900 for wet work for both front and rear door.

There was a lot of dust though when they start hacking the walls. But one day inconvenience for the piece of mind is a small price to pay.
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I'm looking into security for my house also with the same idea:

1. leave my downstair wide open. ie No grill (for better look also)
2. Grill up upstairs window full height, all around.
3. Alarm system with IR motion control at the entrance of my staircase
4. Since I got a baby recently and he sleep in his own room and my MIL has her own room also. The idea of security door is out. What i want to do is install a electric roller shutter at my staircase. for normal thieves will have no idea how to open it. even if they want to try the IR motion sensor will pick them up.
5. Now i have to look into my roof....hmmm
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QUOTE(windwong @ Mar 12 2014, 08:12 PM)
I'm looking into security for my house also with the same idea:

1. leave my downstair wide open. ie No grill (for better look also)
2. Grill up upstairs window full height, all around.
3. Alarm system with IR motion control at the entrance of my staircase
4. Since I got a baby recently and he sleep in his own room and my MIL has her own room also. The idea of security door is out. What i want to do is install a electric roller shutter at my staircase. for normal thieves will have no idea how to open it. even if they want to try the IR motion sensor will pick them up.
5. Now i have to look into my roof....hmmm
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so downstairs no TV,Aircond, Fridge,Washing Machine, Any Metal Stuff, No car, DB Box.
and ure giving the thief electrical point to saw off ure shutter, have a GSM jammer... ure a goner.

( watching to much tv lol..)

but possible.
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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Mar 12 2014, 09:57 PM)
so downstairs no TV,Aircond, Fridge,Washing Machine, Any Metal Stuff, No car, DB Box.
and ure giving the thief electrical point to saw off ure shutter, have a GSM jammer... ure a goner.

( watching to much tv lol..)

but possible.
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good imagination.
downstair still have alarm. U really think there is no police in this country?
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QUOTE(windwong @ Mar 13 2014, 11:31 AM)
good imagination.
downstair still have alarm. U really think there is no police in this country?
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Same arguement u use above can be used for the reason installing shutter door.

Eh police.. I am frequent complainer with them lol. So i attest to u on their eta.
Hse close to hq balai within 1km is quick. Sub etc slow.
Manpower n patrol car location i guess.
Normally they come with machine guns for robbery in progress. Not the normal ronda ones.


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QUOTE(MeToo @ Feb 13 2014, 05:13 PM)
These days we hear of so many robbery case where the robbers will gain entrance of the main house in the middle of the night, and proceed to kick down the bedroom door swiftly, the next thing we know.. we already have a parang pointed at us when we wake up.

So, I'm embarking on a project to replace all my bedroom doors with a more robust/security door, with say top/middle/bottom bolts, and maybe 2~3 bolts each location. Surely it will be reinforced with metal sheet or internal metal frame etc.

Does anyone have any ideas/proposal/suggestion on this? Even pointing towards a good supplier would be of great help.

Attached some samples of security doors.
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Bro you are on the right track on putting the best to your bedroom. But bedroom and main entrance should have the equal priority. Because thief and robbers also come in during daytime. Imagine break the main door, your family in living room! No time to run to bedroom...

Having alarm and CCTV is good. But that is not first defense. Your neighbour probably think it is a false trigger, and some don't even cares! MYOB! As for CCTV, ya probably a police or your family member might look at it after the thief get satisfied from your home.

Install a good solid door/ security metal door if got budget, most important find a professional locksmith to change the locks, reinforce the door. Last step very very important.

Stay safe and alive,
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QUOTE(ku1wing @ Jul 15 2016, 11:03 AM)
Bro you are on the right track on putting the best to your bedroom. But bedroom and main entrance should have the equal priority. Because thief and robbers also come in during daytime. Imagine break the main door, your family in living room! No time to run to bedroom...

Having alarm and CCTV is good. But that is not first defense. Your neighbour probably think it is a false trigger, and some don't even cares! MYOB! As for CCTV, ya probably a police or your family member might look at it after the thief get satisfied from your home.

Install a good solid door/ security metal door if got budget, most important find a professional locksmith to change the locks, reinforce the door. Last step very very important.

Stay safe and alive,
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Main door 2 layer. Metal drill door on the outside which is permanently locked. Wooden reinforced door second layer which is usually open during day time.

Ppl do not kick down a metal grill door within 15 seconds while there are occupants in the living room. More then ample warning to lock the wooden door once again. And also to call for security and police etc. I happen to stay 120M from the Guard house and 1.3km from the Police station.

As for all my bedroom doors... I went with a solid wooden door, reinforced metal frame and a double locking 5 point Iseo lockset.

 

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