anyone tried opera mini?
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 Jul 12 2006, 12:32 PM, updated 20y ago
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anyone tried it??
from the screenshots..it still looks like what you see on phone built-in browsers. exactly what advantages do i have by using opera mini if it looks the same?? or i could say...opera mini = html to wap design lookalike |
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Jul 12 2006, 12:35 PM
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Erm, i am using it. I find it better than my W800i original software.
Try it and you'll know. It is free anyway |
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Jul 12 2006, 12:55 PM
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yea i would like to know wat's the difference too....security better?
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Jul 12 2006, 12:57 PM
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QUOTE(zom @ Jul 12 2006, 12:55 PM) yea i would like to know wat's the difference too....security better? u dont really hv to worry about security. cause it bypasses opera's server bfr thy send it to you. its jus a more consice detail page of wat u see on yr comp. so no worries there.. |
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Jul 12 2006, 01:00 PM
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QUOTE(ruztynail @ Jul 12 2006, 12:57 PM) u dont really hv to worry about security. cause it bypasses opera's server bfr thy send it to you. its jus a more consice detail page of wat u see on yr comp. so no worries there.. err wat i mean on the security is about don't have those "holes" like IE |
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Jul 12 2006, 01:07 PM
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QUOTE(zom @ Jul 12 2006, 01:00 PM) err wat i mean on the security is about don't have those "holes" like IE like wat? people hacking into yr phone. stealing data. like yr sms. and phone book directory?? or personal data like yr bank account and wat not?? or better yet viruses....do u know how IE works? and how opera mini server works?? its safe as there are no reported cases. and the concept is very diff.. dont want to go into dettails. u can google it if u wana and if u want u can try go visit some prone website with virus thn let us know lol  This post has been edited by ruztynail: Jul 12 2006, 01:15 PM |
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Jul 12 2006, 02:16 PM
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QUOTE(ed0gawa @ Jul 12 2006, 12:35 PM) Erm, i am using it. I find it better than my W800i original software. hmm i'll try soon, but does it actually load up more bytes comparing to phone software? i think so..since its html.Try it and you'll know. It is free anyway but i don't believe it supports javascript/flash |
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Jul 12 2006, 02:29 PM
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just try it out and u will love it.. the best part are it will reduce the size of the data transferred and fit nicely to the small screen of the phone..
it will not load up with more bytes, but will load up with fewer bytes as opera server scram the html to smaller size/packet... |
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Jul 12 2006, 02:30 PM
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I've been using it for my SE S700i and it works well even for blogging and gmail. Recommended.
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Jul 12 2006, 03:22 PM
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oh hey!
for those who wanna try... if you have opera browser, if not, download from opera.com then when surfing, hit shift + F11 !!! you'll get a feel of what its like surfing in the phone! |
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Jul 12 2006, 08:13 PM
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imho its better den most built in web browser....n its cheaper also
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Jul 12 2006, 08:25 PM
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QUOTE(pengster @ Jul 12 2006, 08:13 PM) imho its better den most built in web browser....n its cheaper also i think it'll be more expensive than wap sites though..since it loads all pictures |
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Jul 12 2006, 08:28 PM
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QUOTE(adrive @ Jul 12 2006, 08:25 PM) i think it'll be more expensive than wap sites though..since it loads all pictures u can set it to not load da pictures..dats wat i do...so its much cheaper den say k750i's built in browser |
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Jul 12 2006, 11:55 PM
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its actually not much a browser, but a client to access the opera server, the opera server is the one which actually fetches ur page
its work great on my 6680 one more thing - got another w700i which is similiar to w800, i only need to fetch the settings from maxis only rite, then save, can get gprs liao rite, but mine not working la, any advice? |
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Jul 13 2006, 04:04 AM
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I'm using it on my e398, working fine here. Just gprs expensive
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Jul 19 2006, 08:48 AM
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is it only me?
previously i m be able to sign in to mob.e-messenger.net it seems the e-messenger has a new interface/plugin currently when i signing it it will display the signing screen with the note (might take 1 minute to login) and it seems signing in FOREVER previously was within 2-3 seconds |
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Jul 19 2006, 09:35 AM
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I'm not using Opera Mini but Opera S60. Not sure what's the difference, but Opera S60 is much smoother than the phone's built-in browser, and menus are accessible by 1 key which makes it faster to navigate around (example, 1 for Go To, 2 for bookmarks, 8 for settings, 0 for zoom, etc). The only disadvantage is that I haven't found out how export my bookmarks.
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Jul 19 2006, 10:46 AM
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I'm using the mini here.IIANM it loads less bytes compared to the phone software (not too sure bout this)
And as others have said,u gotta try it out urself,kinda hard to tell u why it's better.A function I personally like is the disabling of pictures,so I can save money by not loading big darn pictures  |
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Jul 19 2006, 01:04 PM
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Get the russian mod version ! now support landscape mode and multiple windows.
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?t...116808&forum=17 |
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Jul 21 2006, 09:08 AM
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darn the new mob.e-messenger seems not working for me
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Jul 21 2006, 11:14 AM
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i used op mini on my 3120..works flawlessly leh..
im suprised. |
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Aug 25 2008, 02:41 PM
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QUOTE(username @ Jul 13 2006, 04:04 AM) I'm using it on my e398, working fine here. Just gprs expensive how true! it's costing more than normal WAP GPRS. i'm using maxis - anyway to reduce the cost except surf less?  how about getting the RM 99 unlimited excess? thanks |
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Aug 25 2008, 02:47 PM
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wah digging a thread from the graveyard
anyway, if not mistaken the rm99 stil have a cap... 5gb i think... can't really rmb though... |
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Aug 25 2008, 04:17 PM
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the application is nice...but the charge for surfing net is like a b****...
surf for few minutes n i lost rm20++... i guess this is their new strategy to get more ppl to use their service... This post has been edited by The Silent Killer: Aug 25 2008, 04:17 PM |
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Aug 25 2008, 05:40 PM
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which one is better Opera Mobile or Opera Mini?...its different right?...
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Aug 25 2008, 05:45 PM
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QUOTE(The Silent Killer @ Aug 25 2008, 04:17 PM) the application is nice...but the charge for surfing net is like a b****... that's right... the good thing is we can access like normal pc. but the price *gosh* surf for few minutes n i lost rm20++... i guess this is their new strategy to get more ppl to use their service... |
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Aug 25 2008, 05:46 PM
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QUOTE(unknowndevices @ Aug 25 2008, 05:40 PM) which one is better Opera Mobile or Opera Mini?...its different right?... i don't know... i'm using opera mini with my hp. saw their ad and thought of downloading it to see.. it's very good, but then very expensive. can we use opera mobile too? |
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Aug 25 2008, 06:10 PM
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QUOTE(unknowndevices @ Aug 25 2008, 05:40 PM) which one is better Opera Mobile or Opera Mini?...its different right?... OperaMini the bestNew version able to save page and read offline...useful for those long article or political blog..  For me, normally I will just surf using my house wifi (my phone came with wifi feature), save the pages I want ...and read later. For those who dun have unlimited data package line....dont bother using it, coz each page will be around 50kb or more . which is around 50 sen per page. (Based on Maxi$ 10kb =10 sen rate) Is not a cheap way to surf!!! |
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Aug 25 2008, 06:12 PM
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QUOTE(mikelanding @ Aug 25 2008, 06:10 PM) OperaMini the best owh?...really?...can read during offline?...didn't know that...thanks... New version able to save page and read offline...useful for those long article or political blog.. For me, normally I will just surf using my house wifi (my phone came with wifi feature), save the pages I want ...and read later. For those who dun have unlimited data package line....dont bother using it, coz each page will be around 50kb or more . which is around 50 sen per page. (Based on Maxi$ 10kb =10 sen rate) Is not a cheap way to surf!!!  one thing sad about the Opera Mini don't have the pointer...a bit hard for me... |
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Aug 25 2008, 06:18 PM
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QUOTE(mikelanding @ Aug 25 2008, 06:10 PM) For those who dun have unlimited data package line....dont bother using it, coz each page will be around 50kb or more . which is around 50 sen per page. (Based on Maxi$ 10kb =10 sen rate) Is not a cheap way to surf!!! I'm using prepaid and when I'm on low credit, I just have to disable the graphics. Go to Menu > Tools > Settings and then unchecked "Load images". Each page will only display text and its content is smaller, maybe 2kb perhaps. |
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Aug 25 2008, 06:32 PM
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QUOTE(boris @ Aug 25 2008, 06:18 PM) I'm using prepaid and when I'm on low credit, I just have to disable the graphics. Go to Menu > Tools > Settings and then unchecked "Load images". Each page will only display text and its content is smaller, maybe 2kb perhaps. owh?...like that also works?...guess,with this surely page upload much more faster...thanks... |
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Aug 25 2008, 06:34 PM
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QUOTE(mikelanding @ Aug 25 2008, 06:10 PM) OperaMini the best which version? the version im using opera mini advanced cannot save page New version able to save page and read offline...useful for those long article or political blog.. For me, normally I will just surf using my house wifi (my phone came with wifi feature), save the pages I want ...and read later. For those who dun have unlimited data package line....dont bother using it, coz each page will be around 50kb or more . which is around 50 sen per page. (Based on Maxi$ 10kb =10 sen rate) Is not a cheap way to surf!!!  |
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Aug 25 2008, 07:23 PM
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QUOTE(unknowndevices @ Aug 25 2008, 06:12 PM) owh?...really?...can read during offline?...didn't know that...thanks... the latest version of Opera Mini have a pointer.... one thing sad about the Opera Mini don't have the pointer...a bit hard for me... and views just like what u see in ur pc... but its more exp than the mobile view though... ard 80kb+ per page depending on size lol... if ure loading a forum page or a blog page, there goes 2 bux lol... |
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Aug 25 2008, 07:23 PM
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It's definitely better than the browser included in S60 3rd, at least to me. I use Opera Mini when I want to view the website as a whole, the S60 browser when I want to view the website in its mobile form.
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Aug 25 2008, 07:38 PM
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heres the demo site...
http://demo.opera-mini.net/ kinda slow at my end though.... love the desktop viewing features lol... |
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Aug 25 2008, 10:14 PM
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QUOTE(Nightstalker1993 @ Aug 25 2008, 07:38 PM) heres the demo site... need help here...my one the pointer didn't come out...its just highlighted... http://demo.opera-mini.net/ kinda slow at my end though.... love the desktop viewing features lol... i tried the demo-link you gave,the pointer where there(using computer),but not in my phone...why?...anyone know?... my version is : v.4.1.11355 (isn't that the latest one?) |
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Aug 25 2008, 10:19 PM
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is there a tick the Mobile View under Settings?
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Aug 25 2008, 10:28 PM
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the 'mobile view' should be unticked...
and u should try using it in landscape mode too... very nice indeed... |
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Aug 25 2008, 10:31 PM
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QUOTE(mitodna @ Aug 25 2008, 10:19 PM) is there a tick the Mobile View under Settings? wahhh...finally it showed up...thanks mitodna... at first under Mobile View got ticked...and i try to un-ticked it...then try back and it shows exactly like the demo given by Nightstalker...  thanks to mitodna and Nightstalker for the highlight...really appreciate... |
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Aug 25 2008, 10:53 PM
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weird....
the 'mobile view' shud be unhighlighted by default |
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Aug 26 2008, 03:41 PM
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forget bout gprs.....get yourself a wifi device would be much smarter....
unless you are uber rich...that's a different story... |
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Aug 26 2008, 04:16 PM
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tried.ok la.
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Aug 26 2008, 05:35 PM
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QUOTE(mikelanding @ Aug 25 2008, 06:10 PM) OperaMini the best New version able to save page and read offline...useful for those long article or political blog.. For me, normally I will just surf using my house wifi (my phone came with wifi feature), save the pages I want ...and read later. For those who dun have unlimited data package line....dont bother using it, coz each page will be around 50kb or more . which is around 50 sen per page. (Based on Maxi$ 10kb =10 sen rate) Is not a cheap way to surf!!! god, drop me a pc!!! will try to see if mine can surf offline or not (after i've paid the current bill  ) |
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Aug 26 2008, 06:45 PM
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QUOTE(lilac_alex @ Aug 26 2008, 05:35 PM) god, drop me a pc!!! will try to see if mine can surf offline or not (after i've paid the current bill ) |
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Aug 29 2008, 03:01 PM
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QUOTE(unknowndevices @ Aug 26 2008, 06:45 PM) are you saying,you didn't check you previous payment?...did you apply the flat rate access?... no le.. i just downloaded the opera mini and start using from my hp. when i go pay this payment, will ask them in details. what a price to pay.. |
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Aug 29 2008, 04:21 PM
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QUOTE(lilac_alex @ Aug 29 2008, 03:01 PM) no le.. i just downloaded the opera mini and start using from my hp. when i go pay this payment, will ask them in details. what phone you're using?... what a price to pay.. do check your bills properly,those didn't subscribed the "flat/unlimited-plan",sure they would charge like "boom"... my brother experienced like that... |
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Aug 29 2008, 05:59 PM
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seriously,i used it for livescore and sports toto only...hehe
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Aug 29 2008, 06:35 PM
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i just cant seem to load webpages that have flash items like flash advertisements properly on opera.....despite dloading flash player for mobile.
and everytime i access facebook....it automatically directs to the wap version. is there anyway to get the html version like in my comp and bypass that? |
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Aug 29 2008, 07:52 PM
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opera mini, simple yet effective to load webpages on ur mobile phone
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Aug 29 2008, 07:59 PM
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try to download old version like op 3.0, it load less data. If you want to save money just unclick the load image option in setting. In that way each page would only be 2 to 5 kb ( 2 to 5 cents ) Use it since version 1.0 way back few years ago. Now no more unlimited plan, so use less.
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Aug 29 2008, 11:00 PM
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QUOTE(cy97 @ Aug 29 2008, 07:59 PM) try to download old version like op 3.0, it load less data. If you want to save money just unclick the load image option in setting. In that way each page would only be 2 to 5 kb ( 2 to 5 cents ) Use it since version 1.0 way back few years ago. Now no more unlimited plan, so use less. alternitively, you can tick the 'mobile view' option in the latest opera... |
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Aug 31 2008, 03:39 PM
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Using opera mini in this reply, Haha, i m using it on my k660i which claim to be a web browsing fon, but its own web browser lags a bit, where opera runs very smoothly, Wat a disappointment
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Aug 31 2008, 04:37 PM
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replying using opera mobile but not mini
on e61i. My question is there a shortcut key to scroll down faster? |
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Aug 31 2008, 05:58 PM
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i got a question oso
does opera mini save cache of its browsing? |
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Aug 31 2008, 06:04 PM
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opera mobile yes
Mini not sure |
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Aug 31 2008, 06:06 PM
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i see no decrement in my phone and card memory.. so i assume there is no cached from the browsing =P
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Sep 3 2008, 10:36 AM
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Aug 31 2008, 04:37 PM) replying using opera mobile but not mini what's the difference with mobile & mini? on e61i. My question is there a shortcut key to scroll down faster?i oso find scrolling very frustrating.. scared it'll spoil my keypad.  |
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Sep 3 2008, 12:39 PM
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aspire2oo6
link for opera mobile?wanna try it out. |
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Sep 3 2008, 12:59 PM
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Sep 3 2008, 04:05 PM
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QUOTE(lilac_alex @ Sep 3 2008, 10:36 AM) what's the difference with mobile & mini? opera mini talk less resources compare to mobile. It convert the images thru its server to lower quality so make browsing faster n more fun.i oso find scrolling very frustrating.. scared it'll spoil my keypad. |
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Sep 3 2008, 04:16 PM
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no wonder it takes longer to browse with opera mini =O
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Sep 3 2008, 04:46 PM
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Replying tis from starbucks. He he opera mini 4
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Sep 3 2008, 05:30 PM
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Sep 3 2008, 04:05 PM) opera mini talk less resources compare to mobile. It convert the images thru its server to lower quality so make browsing faster n more fun. Much lower quality in fact. Images look pretty distorted on Opera Mini. |
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Sep 3 2008, 05:45 PM
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QUOTE(-Teddy- @ Sep 3 2008, 05:30 PM) Much lower quality in fact. Images look pretty distorted on Opera Mini. in opera mini 4 there is a full screen mode n a mobile mode. I usually use mobile because for easy scrolling down n up then everywhere |
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Sep 3 2008, 07:28 PM
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Sep 3 2008, 05:45 PM) in opera mini 4 there is a full screen mode n a mobile mode. I usually use mobile because for easy scrolling down n up then everywhere The mobile mode is when it's zoomed out? Where there is a rectangle for you to navigate like a full website? I'm not sure but it seems that it's not possible to do the same on Opera Mobile. I use Opera Mobile for viewing websites with pictures and Opera Mini for fast browsing.Is there any browser that can view flash like YouTube video? I just don't like using another app just to watch videos. |
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Sep 6 2008, 10:04 PM
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if u already have a wifi phone den do u actually have to install opera mini? Does it make any difference?
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Sep 6 2008, 10:46 PM
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if the internet bandwidth is fast enough, then we do not need opera mini, and can just utilize the built in browser.
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Sep 6 2008, 10:54 PM
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QUOTE(Jumbodumbo @ Sep 6 2008, 10:04 PM) if u already have a wifi phone den do u actually have to install opera mini? Does it make any difference? compare without opera mini slow loading sometimes phone lagging very hard to view because full screen |
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Sep 7 2008, 09:04 AM
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Using opera mini 4 to post now. Am impressed with the new one, the last time i used the processing time was not this fast.. Now is superb.
But i noticed one thing, gif animated pictures are stationary now. Maybe this is to reduce loading times. |
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Sep 7 2008, 06:42 PM
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yeap everything loads so fast. If u wan the picture @ better quality just go to setting change image quality to high
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Sep 7 2008, 11:35 PM
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ok.this prob bothers me.
my gf using nokia 3500c..java, bluetooth, edge enabled.i transfered the particular opera mini for 3500c direct into her hp via usb..installed ok..issue came when i run the programme..it failed and ask me to consult service technician..wth/???mind to entertain me and guide me for solution? |
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Sep 7 2008, 11:45 PM
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Can u paste the error here? Wat version are u installing?
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Sep 8 2008, 01:42 AM
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can run other java application?
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Sep 8 2008, 02:02 AM
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is your GPRS connectivity working properly?
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Sep 9 2008, 09:01 AM
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Solution for opera internet setting if the network cant detect ur service provider.
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Sep 9 2008, 09:26 AM
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my opera mini lag sometime cant open certain site... using nokia 5610
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Sep 9 2008, 10:57 AM
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does it lag at the connecting part? or processing part?
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Sep 9 2008, 12:39 PM
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connecting part... What The Problem Bro?
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Sep 9 2008, 02:01 PM
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connecting part should be when the wifi is trying to connect to the wireless modem.. may be due to wireless strength not strong enuf, normally if having problems in the connecting part, it will pop up a list of wifi choices for u to choose.
mine also sometimes it takes quite long at 1st to connect to 1st page.. after that after 2-3 mins of surfing, then the connecting part becomes immediate, and processing part is the slower part. |
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Sep 9 2008, 05:40 PM
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4,560 posts Joined: May 2007 From: Kuching,Serdang UPM
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dude.do we need a proper thread all about Opera mini and mobile?il be likely to compile watever needed for this useful programme..haha!!!
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Sep 10 2008, 09:32 PM
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1,521 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Kuala Lumpur
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can also wor siuyi.
u mean open a thread about opera mini? not sure if the software thread already have it. |
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Sep 10 2008, 09:53 PM
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4,560 posts Joined: May 2007 From: Kuching,Serdang UPM
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i need more ppl to support me as i don like to lead a boring thread when it went dying with no forumers inside sharing their experience and knowledge..
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Sep 10 2008, 10:03 PM
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1,521 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Kuala Lumpur
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orh ok
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