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Salary >RM3k can be exempted from SOCSO
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TSyamato
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Feb 8 2014, 02:02 PM, updated 10y ago
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Hi guys, If one's salary is >rm3k, can he/she be exempted from paying socso? i just found out there is a clause in Perkeso website as below quoted, but not sure what it is referring by "covered under Act " and "Notice of Election". According to this "Act", if the employer/employee both agreed not to pay for socso contribution, will he/she lose the benefit of Socso insurance cover? QUOTE EMPLOYEE
Under the Act, an employee is defined as a person who has been employed by an employer under a contract of service or apprenticeship. • Employees Monthly Earning At RM3,000 Or Less Employees Monthly Earning At RM3,000 Or Less must contribute to SOCSO. SOCSO's coverage is only for employees who are Malaysian citizens and who are permanent residents.
• Employees Monthly Earning More Than RM3,000 Employees Monthly Earning More Than RM3,000 who never registered or contibute to SOCSO are given an option to be covered under the Act provided both the employer and employee have agreed upon the coverage by submitting 3 copies of the Notice of Election and Form 2 to the relevant SOCSO office. That particular employee will only be covered under the Act from the date the relevant SOCSO office accepted the notice.
• Principle Of "Once In Always In" Employees who have been previously registered with SOCSO and now earn more than RM3,000 must continue to contribute in line with the principle of "Once In Always In" under the First Schedule of the Act. Once an employee is eligible under the Act, he will always be eligible for coverage irrespective of his next monthly wage. All employees eligible for coverage under the Act must register and contribute to SOCSO. Perkeso
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cedyy
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Feb 8 2014, 02:07 PM
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read the 3rd clause: Once in Always in. if you've contributed to SOCSO before your salary reached or exceeded RM3k, you have to continue contributing even after your salary has breached RM3k
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Azurika
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Feb 8 2014, 05:37 PM
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It means ur FIRST salary if is above 3k then you can be exempted , if not you will always contribute
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TSyamato
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Feb 8 2014, 07:33 PM
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QUOTE(Azurika @ Feb 8 2014, 05:37 PM) It means ur FIRST salary if is above 3k then you can be exempted , if not you will always contribute yes, exempted from contributing to perkeso, but is it entitle to enjoy same insurance benefit as those who paid for it month?
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Azurika
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Feb 9 2014, 03:14 PM
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QUOTE(yamato @ Feb 8 2014, 07:33 PM) yes, exempted from contributing to perkeso, but is it entitle to enjoy same insurance benefit as those who paid for it month? you pay for it you enjoy, you dont pay for it you dont enjoy, its all the same . I dont really get your question.
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OhNooy
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Feb 9 2014, 04:15 PM
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QUOTE(yamato @ Feb 8 2014, 07:33 PM) yes, exempted from contributing to perkeso, but is it entitle to enjoy same insurance benefit as those who paid for it month? You expect not to pay and still enjoy the same benefit?
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TSyamato
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Feb 9 2014, 05:53 PM
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QUOTE(Azurika @ Feb 9 2014, 03:14 PM) you pay for it you enjoy, you dont pay for it you dont enjoy, its all the same . I dont really get your question. alrite, thx
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TSyamato
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Feb 9 2014, 05:58 PM
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QUOTE(OhNooy @ Feb 9 2014, 04:15 PM) You expect not to pay and still enjoy the same benefit? its not about what do i expect, i just need a clarification as there isnt a clear statement of exemption from paying = no protection; which i reluctant to make any assumption unless someone who is experience or with a positive answer. This post has been edited by yamato: Feb 9 2014, 05:59 PM
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OhNooy
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Feb 9 2014, 07:12 PM
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QUOTE(yamato @ Feb 9 2014, 05:58 PM) its not about what do i expect, i just need a clarification as there isnt a clear statement of exemption from paying = no protection; which i reluctant to make any assumption unless someone who is experience or with a positive answer. Ah I see. In my opinion Perkeso was formed years back then, was to protect the workers at that time who are mainly unable to afford accidents during working. So by paying a small amount, the government will protect the workers especially those who earns <RM3000. This is to ensure that those who don't earn that much still able to feel safe of being protected from any mishap. TS, for your case maybe you should directly consult Perkeso?
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Cubed1437
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Feb 11 2015, 12:10 PM
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If one's first salary is above 3k, should or should he not take SOCSO? Any advice?
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PACINO
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Feb 11 2015, 12:19 PM
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Do not pay SOCSO if your first job is above RM 3k. I did a gross calculations , for a colleague of mine who is in his 40's now - he had started paying his SOCSO since he started working , and till date , he has paid out more than 1 unit of Iphone 6plus , and is not covered due to the nature of his job scope ( office nia , what accident la )
so if can choose not to pay - why on earth you want to pay ? Unless you so good hearted and love to help build our SOCSO funds.
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katakrabun
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Feb 11 2015, 12:34 PM
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QUOTE(Cubed1437 @ Feb 11 2015, 12:10 PM) If one's first salary is above 3k, should or should he not take SOCSO? Any advice? I would advise that you subscribe to SOCSO especially if you are married and have school-going children because you will not know when accidents can happen to you. Supposing you meet with a road accident and you die SOCSO will pay monthly allowances to your spouse and children until the day they are legally married. If you don't have SOCSO then it will be difficult for your wife and children to survive unless you have other insurance coverage for accidents. SOCSO subscription just cost you a few RM per month compared to outside insurance coverage. I know of a friend who died 13 years ago due to a road accident but the family enjoys SOCSO allowances until today even though some of his children are already working, but because they are still single.
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Cubed1437
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Feb 11 2015, 01:07 PM
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Two totally opposite answers. Haha. I was more inclined to not taking it, and the extra money can go to buying an insurance. But can't weigh which ones better.
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katakrabun
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Feb 11 2015, 01:15 PM
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QUOTE(Cubed1437 @ Feb 11 2015, 01:07 PM) Two totally opposite answers. Haha. I was more inclined to not taking it, and the extra money can go to buying an insurance. But can't weigh which ones better. Haha...anyway it's your choice. Somehow or rather you need the insurance coverage, be it an accident policy or a medical insurance...unless you have at least RM1.5Mil redundant now where you don't need to bother about insurance.
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PACINO
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Feb 11 2015, 01:39 PM
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QUOTE(katakrabun @ Feb 11 2015, 12:34 PM) I would advise that you subscribe to SOCSO especially if you are married and have school-going children because you will not know when accidents can happen to you. Supposing you meet with a road accident and you die SOCSO will pay monthly allowances to your spouse and children until the day they are legally married. If you don't have SOCSO then it will be difficult for your wife and children to survive unless you have other insurance coverage for accidents. SOCSO subscription just cost you a few RM per month compared to outside insurance coverage. I know of a friend who died 13 years ago due to a road accident but the family enjoys SOCSO allowances until today even though some of his children are already working, but because they are still single. yeah , for the death part it is useful , especially if you're high paying individual ( E.g. Rm 20k per month basic salary , your family gets 50% of the monthly salary - RM 10k per month for life ) Wonderful if you die at the right timing before 60 years old.
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Cubed1437
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Feb 11 2015, 02:00 PM
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Okay thanks everyone!
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Hagendaz
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Feb 15 2016, 12:39 PM
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QUOTE(PACINO @ Feb 11 2015, 01:39 PM) yeah , for the death part it is useful , especially if you're high paying individual ( E.g. Rm 20k per month basic salary , your family gets 50% of the monthly salary - RM 10k per month for life ) Wonderful if you die at the right timing before 60 years old. This is not true. Monthly allowance that employee received is limited to maximum of 65% of average monthly salary or RM1,917.50, whichever lower.
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PACINO
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Feb 15 2016, 01:42 PM
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QUOTE(Hagendaz @ Feb 15 2016, 12:39 PM) This is not true. Monthly allowance that employee received is limited to maximum of 65% of average monthly salary or RM1,917.50, whichever lower. You are probably right. I am no expert in it. This sucks if it's the case. Nevertheless , might serve the lower bracket pay well
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TSyamato
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Feb 16 2016, 09:52 AM
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QUOTE(Cubed1437 @ Feb 11 2015, 12:10 PM) If one's first salary is above 3k, should or should he not take SOCSO? Any advice? I strongly advice to subscribe the socso even >3k monthly income. the fraction that sosco being deducted from your pay is only RM14.75 monthly. However the employer is paying another RM51.65 for your protection. Come to think of it, u enjoy the full benefit when someone is paying 88% of your insurance fee. Not necesarily you worked in high risk environments then only socso is a worthy protection. Even you work in the office, there are a million possibilities things could go wrong. accident happened in the car park/on the road to meet customer/slippery toilet or cafeteria floor/escalator or elevator/ staircase/ etc
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Spawny
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Feb 16 2016, 10:05 AM
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I am >5k but still pay RM14 for SOCSO, so i should not be paying at all?
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Belphegor
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Feb 16 2016, 10:19 AM
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It's really base on your own preference if you want to subscribe for SOCSO (Generalizing as those fresh grad with 3k as first pay salary). I for one do not see what is the problem with paying a relatively small amount to get yourself covered. Let's not talk about death cause that's like abit too over, though it can happen during work.  You die, at least you no need waste money on medical expenses. If you paralyzed? You can't work, you still need to feed yourself and your family. That would be suck as hell as you can't work to provide to your family. With that insurance, at least it cover some, if not all of your family expenses. Work with high risk of meeting an accident, I believe most of them bought already. Work with low risk accident? Well there's still chances of you meeting an accident. Accident with you sitting on your chair can be covered as well. Slip disc, this one particular condition can already cost you few tens of thousands if you get it. With RM14.75/month to get yourself covered, I honestly do not see what's stopping you from buying it. If you save this kind of small amount of money, I reckon you will definitely regret in future.
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Hagendaz
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Feb 28 2016, 02:13 PM
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QUOTE(Spawny @ Feb 16 2016, 10:05 AM) I am >5k but still pay RM14 for SOCSO, so i should not be paying at all? You don't really have a choice. Once u start to pay then no matter what is your current salary you still have to continue paying.
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