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 LYN Proton INSPIRA Owners and Fans Thread V62!, Haven't die yet!!!

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post Feb 16 2014, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(evolution120 @ Feb 16 2014, 02:07 AM)
time to do some testing..  brows.gif
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ady tested and proven brows.gif brows.gif

QUOTE(edison1437 @ Feb 16 2014, 08:57 AM)
asc steering and meter also need to remove 1 shocking.gif  rclxub.gif
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lots of wiring need to route... sad.gif

btw nzh0920 K3nnYkl82 when free need to kacau you guys again to remove the meter... looks like the stuffing or padding for the meter lighting button wasn't stuffed back in properly sweat.gif
not a big deal, just when ocd kick in annoying to see black sponge/stuffing sticking out of it lol, resisting to pull it out sad.gif

QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Feb 16 2014, 10:31 AM)
SAS @ steering angular sensor require signal input into the main canbus line @ some sort of information network our car..

It is devided into 3 lines.. Main.. 2ndary and diagnose..

The main one contains all critical and immediate info such as engine ecu signal.. Abs .. Asc.. Sas.. Headlight leveling .. Afs .. Etc..
2ndary one is like radio (mmcs) .. Speedometer.. Srs airbags.. (required speed to operate is lower)

Previously when install on older car (still got extra wiring) .. I tap into the network via the headlight leveling wirings located juz above the acelerator .. And the asc off switch require lights when u drive at night which is actually control by the speedometer.. In older car, there is a headlight leveling switch port, i get light power from there which is from the speedometer..

As for new car,, neither manual leveling port or auto leveling port exist d.. So to get the switch to lightup have to get the illumination power from the speedo port (not simply any power source as u can Dim the light control by the speedo).. And for the SAS to join the canbus network.. It have to be pull accross till underneath the passanger airbag part to join with the properr can bus signal line.. Whereelse previously there is a ready can bus port for the auto levelimg
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post Feb 16 2014, 07:42 PM

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Proton Inspira baseline dyno on iinm 50 ramp rate; full stock except for the KNN drop in air filter. http://twitpic.com/dvq2kh
notice the curve on the post 4k rpm laugh.gif "mivec just kicked in yo!" and heck even during dyno while i'm outside the car observing, the moment 4k rpm hit the engine/exhaust is damn loud lol. (not as loud as the old 4gxx dohc follks when the high cam is engaged though lol)

was a really good experience considering that place was famous for it's depressing ramp rates and end results especially when compared to other dyno places.
I was expecting something on the low 9x or at most 10x, who'd knew it'd push 111 which is just barely under the exact double of my iswara on wheel dyno at the same place as well laugh.gif

The owner Alan was surprised on the torque on the lower gears at it was showing figures over 200... had his staff to recheck the car restraints twice before they proceed on the dyno... was worried if there was anything wrong with the car.
he even showed the staff on the rpm meter that climbed unusually fast as well lol...
they only went "oh" when i told them i am using xw20 engine oil sweat.gif

as i had to leave early (it was supposed to be a bulk dyno so payments should be in bulk lol) and proceeded to paying, mentioned on the asc installation, which followed with some explanation, he told me to drive slower ROFL! (since during the explanation i mentioned a LOT of sliding and 2nd gear wheel spins lol)
and the most mind blowing part, was after that he asked me if i want to bolt on turbo biggrin.gif

i did told him that for now the primary concern would be the handling. there's more than enough power than i as a driver can handle laugh.gif
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post Feb 16 2014, 08:11 PM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Feb 16 2014, 08:06 PM)
Dhey .. u tot iswara meter using bulb ah ?

our meter one piece geh .. the LED lights are solder onboard .. wat u planning to do ?
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rofl next time show you la laugh.gif
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post Feb 16 2014, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Feb 16 2014, 08:13 PM)
nzh can kau dim ge la..
hows the new mapping doing
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hehe poke him then tongue.gif
and apologies meant to write the review/feedback earlier but i want to do it right so that i don't miss out everything.

anyways here goes.

After the ASC installation i also got the car remapped and K3nnYkl82 took the effort to fill in the gaps that i do not understood in the mapping profiles (i'm still having a hard time digesting the MIVEC intake/exhaust variables though, will need to spend some more classes with k3 again laugh.gif )

The initial impression is that the engine is a lot less free-revving than before, however despite that the power delivery was abundant which i think the ignition advancement definitely helped a lot in that regards.

Now as the MIVEC timing was advanced (pushed ahead from 4k+ rpm to 3k or so in layman), it sorta filled in the gap between the 2-4k rpm when it comes to power delivery, and from observation, my rpm doesn't drop like a rock when my foot's off the accelerator - which would mean my power band/delivery is still being kept while i am not flooring the accelerator and it helps more especially if i am in an hesitation on my shifting if i want to upshift or not (and then downshift again once said road hogger is clear. yes i know i am lazy and generally i'm not suited for manual transmissions lol) after ending up tail gating a random road hogger on the fast lane while i'm speeding.

i think overall with the earlier MIVEC timings there would be plenty of reserves on power delivery as apparent in my dyno chart, there's still a LOT of room for improvement post 6k rpm as there was no significant signs on power loss at that point and as k3 explained before that our ecu mapping is only limited to 6500/7000 rpm so if you can have better delivery earlier you can better utilize the subsequent rpm's on better timings/mappings when previously you couldn't have done so.

On a rougher layman approach on observation, my fc shown on the car's meter cluster (yes yes i know it's not accurate and yes i use fuelly lol) was constantly over 10.x km/l despite driving like an idiot (testing ASC ma tongue.gif) for the whole time with speeds on average being 120-160km/h under light traffic conditions with time being around close to midnight to 1am or so, traveling around subang > federal hw > loke yew > seremban highway > besraya highway twists > bukit jalil > seramban highway again > jln istana > mahameru > jln duta > jln kucing > mrr2

of course, there isn't without some minor drawbacks - as the free revving nature of the engine is gone, i kinda find the car a bit less fun to drive compared to before. the insane torque pulling on the first/2nd gears aren't as apparent as before which i do kinda miss them especially the funny 2nd gear wheel spins rofl.

not to mention the "lol mivec kicked in yo" on the 4k rpm was pretty much gone as well as the power delivery is very linear compared to before.
imagine the damn free revving nature of the engine (again do remember that i am using very low viscosity engine oil lol) and then the whole 4k rpm "mivec kicked in feel" tongue.gif

it isn't practical at all though for daily driving as you will need to keep your power band/rpm above 4k rpm as the power delivery is very low on especially the 3-4k rpm gap.
not to mention just as free the engine is able to rev, the rpm falls just as easily too when you ease off the accelerator sad.gif

overall i'm a very satisfied customer/inspira owner just as everyone has under K3nnYkl82 's mapping smile.gif
however i do feel that it definitely still have some room for improvements, or more specifically, tweaking for personal preferences wink.gif

for future brain storming:
generally, how does the DOHC for the 4B10 work? more so, in relation to the MIVEC intake/exhaust systems?

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From the 4B1 engine family onward, MIVEC has evolved into a continuous variable valve timing (CVVT) system (dual VVT on intake and exhaust valves).[9] Many older implementations only vary the valve timing (the amount of time per engine revolution that the intake port is open) and not the lift. Timing is continuously independently controlled to provide four optimized engine-operating modes:[9]

[l]Under most conditions, to ensure highest fuel efficiency, valve overlap is increased to reduce pumping losses. The exhaust valve opening timing is retarded for higher expansion ratio, enhancing fuel economy.

When maximum power is demanded (high engine speed and load), intake valve closing timing is retarded to synchronize the intake air pulsations for larger air volume.

Under low-speed, high load, MIVEC ensures optimal torque delivery with the intake valve closing timing advanced to ensure sufficient air volume. At the same time, the exhaust valve opening timing is retarded to provide a higher expansion ratio and improved efficiency.

At idle, valve overlap is eliminated to stabilize combustion.[l]


the part on FC, retarding the exhaust valve, is this how the rpm is able to be kept steady and not fall like a rock? sort of like an exhaust back pressure that some exhaust tuners want to achieve and particularly in automatic transmission/daily ride cars?

on the low speed high load mode part described, is that how i am getting the very high revving/torque nature on the stock MIVEC timing when i am doing low speed 1/2 gear full throttles?

Generally as mivec engagement is good on FC/power, however it's not practical to have it further advanced because on lower speed/rpm it simply can't be feasible? on a layman understanding, similar to how 5th gear is the best fc/power (when it comes to the top end speed) however it simply isn't feasible to shift to 5th at say, 20kph simply because it'll take a damn long time to accelerate (assuming you don't stall the engine)as the transmission is dragging the engine down?
is this understanding correct?

also would the valve overlapping (which seems to be a contributing factor for the very nice engine note especially during high rpm) elimination during idle be a source of that horrible tractor like tappet noise? as 16 valves seems like a lot of nvh under non overlapping operation laugh.gif

interesting off note for the 4b12:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_4B1_engine
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The cylinder head intake and exhaust ports and intake and exhaust manifolds are shape optimized for better volumetric efficiency. Mitsubishi lowered the friction of the engine by including elastic grinding of the valve stems, adopting a high-efficiency shroud equipped plastic impeller in the water pump and using 0W-20 low-viscosity oil. Mitsubishi increased the combustion efficiency by optimizing the design of the cylinder head intake and exhaust ports, by incorporating the MIVEC system on both intake and exhaust valves and by using injectors that give an ultra micro droplet fuel spray. To lower the engine's weight, Mitsubishi used die-cast aluminium for the cylinder block, plastic for the cylinder head cover and intake manifold, and stainless steel for the exhaust manifold. The engine features a compact balancer shaft module with an integrated oil pump. A silent chain is used to drive the camshafts. The compact balancer module, the silent chain, the stable combustion yielded by the intake and exhaust MIVEC system, and high rigidity designs for the cylinder head and cylinder block realize low vibration and noise.

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post Feb 16 2014, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(evolution120 @ Feb 16 2014, 10:06 PM)
should ask him to fetch me to do some serious cornering..  laugh.gif
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haha later i crash the car paiseh la blush.gif

worse if i endanger passengers in my car sad.gif
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post Feb 16 2014, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Feb 16 2014, 11:00 PM)
Since when u become journalist?
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i used to write for my own blog and even other blogs/reviews before tongue.gif
not that i'm any good and my passion in writing is an on/off thing.

oh ya forgot to ask, this mapping already have data for 7k rpm, which means my fuel cut is definitely at 7k rpm right?
as i will be taking the opportunity to give a go on mex highway or any damn straight highway (haha nkve/north south need to pay expensive toll and got more traffic) to pull red lines/hard blips towards 8k and to see whats the top speed also XD
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QUOTE(nzxkore @ Feb 16 2014, 11:07 PM)
sure tappet?
not chain timing? unsure.gif
mine seem not that much after 1st time hearing it.. laugh.gif
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should be, chain rolling shouldn't produce that much nvh lol.
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post Feb 16 2014, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(jnick @ Feb 16 2014, 11:17 PM)
Niamey got blogger here izzit!
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it's in my signature all along lol
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Feb 16 2014, 11:21 PM)
I think i know who is jaycraptor already
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QUOTE(nzh0920 @ Feb 17 2014, 12:30 AM)
hi raba peha jay
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oi go blame mitsubishi for this sohai design vmad.gif

and i wish i can be as knowledgeable as YAB professor jay la
dah feb 2014 also can't get answer from him sad.gif
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QUOTE(nzh0920 @ Feb 17 2014, 12:37 AM)
i knew u bought this car because of this advantage design  brows.gif  brows.gif
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dei overlooked jor. test driving that time no need to pull hand brake, else i might slash out this car from choices, and be contemplated that there really is no choice for me based on my criteria.

haihz up car jor sad.gif
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post Feb 17 2014, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(botack @ Feb 17 2014, 12:39 AM)
wah...really long post...and this is only after remap and engine oil review..can't imagine after you've done exhaust, RCS, all those stabilizer bars, upgraded TB, turbo or 4b12.. rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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depends if i wanna write lo... i've done more with the iswara i also barely wrote anything with it laugh.gif

really have no plans for exhaust at all, too many things to consider unless someone wanna tell me now that there's exhausts that wont make any sound laugh.gif

bars also lazy, i'm statisfied with the curent setup until i am done eliminating weakest links first.
got plans to install fender bars first during sound proofing (whenever that's gonna ever happen dry.gif) process as it's more of a "might as well" thing

TB ah turbo ah, 4b12 ah, no interest at all laugh.gif
too poor to play all this cry.gif
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QUOTE(nzh0920 @ Feb 17 2014, 12:45 AM)
lol, need so extreme till pasang fender bar ah  laugh.gif
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cheapjing la, car strip jor, save labor sun bin pasang lo lol...

and my iswara also got, from butt feeling ok la not bad lol.
actually got help or not, dunno dun care la laugh.gif
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QUOTE(nicotine @ Feb 17 2014, 07:59 AM)
Sharp 7k cut, blip during shifting maybe can hit 7.2k~7.5k lo. Never try 8k unless sifu k3 got new updated super duper plasma nano timahnium balls mapping. Btw k3 bayar lu berapa to write that? Heeheehee
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i see thanks. because previously on stock mapping also can blip till 7.5k... thinking maybe with the new mapping i can hit till the meter's limit of 8k XD

and no tarak bayar anything lol. if you didn't notice it wasn't all praise also ma, i prefer the previous MIVEC timings overall because it was more fun lol

QUOTE(botack @ Feb 17 2014, 08:43 AM)
laugh.gif  laugh.gif

No la, really appreciate your write up ma..helps all those newbies that does not know what 4B engines all about and its capabilities.

Regarding the exhaust, SOUND=PERFORMANCE OK!!

vmad.gif mad.gif

Ya, hentam stock car first, if really hentam to its limit, then you know you have to move on to next step, but dunno about fender bars. That thing will be the last thing I will mod since need to improve on the front and rear first. laugh.gif
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if got blue flame = more performance? the mclaren p1/12c exhaust videos was damn amusing, damn jelly to the 12c owner that got invited by mclaren to play with the p1 sad.gif

it'll be a loooong time before i hit the 4b's limits. it took me damn long for the 4g15 anyways and i don't think i've even hit its limits yet since i've never really explored on directly modding it's engine or even converting manual hehe.

for the fender bars, from the iswara experience, it does strengthen/stiffen the fronts a lot, however it could put potentially stress the front tires/induce more understeer characteristics considering it further stiffens your front. if anything it's a damn stealth mod as you won't be able to see the bar at all except for certain angles from below the car (i think can't also for the inspira? lol) or if you remove the fender itself purposely tongue.gif

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post Feb 17 2014, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Feb 17 2014, 09:27 Aphone M)
Original mivec setting is more sluggish but u feel the sudden rev bcoz its response slower.. Very easy.. We put back to original and let u try again.. (then i off my phone) .. Right jnick
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Omg why off phone sad.gif
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QUOTE(botack @ Feb 17 2014, 10:17 AM)
later you will be cursing if he did not pick your call. That elephant revert back to original after got used to the new map and then regret saying car become like lorry. Begged K3 to remap again. laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(SothysSaleShop @ Feb 17 2014, 10:38 AM)
haha epic that jnick, he put on the pounds like an elephant then blame stock map like lorry wor whistling.gif
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ohh lol.
well i won't ever revert to stock mapping. RON88 ignition timing and the AFR is more than enough to never look back.

i just have a preference towards the stock MIVEC timing as it had a free-revving characteristic although again as mentioned, it's just not practical at all for daily driving (then again, my car's currently a weekend drive car soooo... rolleyes.gif )
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Feb 17 2014, 11:34 AM)
i already explain .. the free-revving effect u feel is because of the laggyness of the original map .. so when u tekan... no feel ... u tekan more.. by the time the engine react .. it start to jump faster .. (so u think it is free-revving) .. where else the one i gave u is more instant response.. u tekan a bit jo it start to climb jo .. not so sudden as the original map ..
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hmm can explain my questions i asked from the "future brainstorming" part? or prefer to do it offline/tt? would love to spend time on your classes whenever you're available notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Feb 17 2014, 11:41 AM)
... GooGle can help u ...

DOHC engine ..
mivec .. how to work also wan ask me meh ... go google up laaaa. journalist dun be lazy la.. u so free write whole page of blog in our forum .. spend half the time google up how it works la..
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google doesn't really help la... or my googling skills suck sad.gif
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Feb 17 2014, 11:45 AM)
looks like u need to GOOGLE more..

Hydraulic lifter
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that's not my question also, that tappet noise i also don't care jor sad.gif

blacktubi nzxkore
nah free lessons from sifu
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Feb 17 2014, 11:50 AM)
and unker ... go read up ..
Valve Timing

Our MIVEC DO NOT OPEN!

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

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i ady placed double quotes on the mivec open remarks i made la... i understood that it is a VVT system and i've even quoted wikipedia on it's operating functions/modes

oh and 'AAAHHMMMMM' wub.gif wub.gif

QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Feb 17 2014, 11:56 AM)
lolz.. ur essay i didnt bother to read .. its a forum la .. lolz
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