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Malaysian Managers Quality
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TSpucman
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Jul 9 2006, 09:53 AM, updated 20y ago
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I have seen a lot of managers and I think most malaysian managers are very poor.
How do you rate yours ?
Some managers I have seen.
1. They just order people around and know nothing.
2. They give ridiculous deadlines that they themselves cannot accomplish.
3. When the subordinates approach them, they don't know the answers but expect the subordinates to know the answer even if they have been working there longer.
4. Doesn't know how to respect employees' privacy.
5. Expect employees to work every minute without rest.
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alextan99
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Jul 9 2006, 10:43 AM
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well you hit most ofthe point but don't forget that there are some good ones in the bad pile
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SUSflamer
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Jul 9 2006, 04:06 PM
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For me I feel that 80% of the companie in Malaysia have these sort of managers. Thats why Malaysia cannot produce world class companies like SAP, Oracle and Mircosoft.
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TSpucman
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Jul 10 2006, 09:24 PM
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QUOTE(flamer @ Jul 9 2006, 04:06 PM) For me I feel that 80% of the companie in Malaysia have these sort of managers. Thats why Malaysia cannot produce world class companies like SAP, Oracle and Mircosoft. These companies' managers look at their employees as human and not machines.
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TYK
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Jul 10 2006, 11:45 PM
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QUOTE(pucman @ Jul 9 2006, 09:53 AM) I have seen a lot of managers and I think most malaysian managers are very poor. How do you rate yours ? Some managers I have seen. 1. They just order people around and know nothing. 2. They give ridiculous deadlines that they themselves cannot accomplish. 3. When the subordinates approach them, they don't know the answers but expect the subordinates to know the answer even if they have been working there longer. 4. Doesn't know how to respect employees' privacy. 5. Expect employees to work every minute without rest. Looking at the local managers' leadership skills and mentality, Malaysia still has a very, very long way to go.
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Mavik
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Jul 11 2006, 12:35 AM
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Patience is a virtue
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To be perfectly honest, I have had very very good Malaysian managers so far. Everyone has been very friendly and encouraging.
I guess a good leader ensures that the staff under him/her sees the vision that he/she sees and will work hard to help the team move forward and achieve that vision. Because of leadership qualities in my managers, I am more than willing to put in the extra effort.
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darun
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Jul 11 2006, 03:51 PM
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QUOTE(Mavik @ Jul 11 2006, 12:35 AM) To be perfectly honest, I have had very very good Malaysian managers so far. Everyone has been very friendly and encouraging. I guess a good leader ensures that the staff under him/her sees the vision that he/she sees and will work hard to help the team move forward and achieve that vision. Because of leadership qualities in my managers, I am more than willing to put in the extra effort. Lucky you, so far most of my managers are of technical background promoted to management positions due to their tenure. Personally most of them are good people, however as a manager they are neither well trained nor have the experience. There's a known term for this practice, its called the Peter Principle. This kinda practice is very common place in boleh land. Unfortunately it causes a hell lot of problems. Obviously, there will be a small percentage who are smart enough to adapt to their role and are naturally born leaders. Unfortunately for me, I've yet to work for any, but it seems you are, congrats.
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narf03
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Jul 11 2006, 04:27 PM
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For me, manager is the person to support me, if he knows to do my job, then im jobless, a manager is a person who manage, not the person who works. Just like a general, he who plans who do what and forsee future, he dont know how to cook, dont know how to make camp, dont know this, dont know that, he just know how to lead, plan, avoid trouble, and lastly encourage you, and lead you to victory. A good manager choose the easiest path for his follower like zhuge liang, leading 100 crappy soldiers can win 100,000 fully armed troops. But, you as the soldier, has to follow orders, if your general point to the west, you rush to east, lose the battle, prepare to be cooked, and its your problem, not theirs.
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msnice
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Jul 11 2006, 05:11 PM
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New Member
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QUOTE(narf03 @ Jul 11 2006, 04:27 PM) For me, manager is the person to support me, if he knows to do my job, then im jobless, a manager is a person who manage, not the person who works. Just like a general, he who plans who do what and forsee future, he dont know how to cook, dont know how to make camp, dont know this, dont know that, he just know how to lead, plan, avoid trouble, and lastly encourage you, and lead you to victory. A good manager choose the easiest path for his follower like zhuge liang, leading 100 crappy soldiers can win 100,000 fully armed troops. But, you as the soldier, has to follow orders, if your general point to the west, you rush to east, lose the battle, prepare to be cooked, and its your problem, not theirs. precisely.. I don't need manager who knows how to do my work. I need someone who knows what they need from me. Be firmed but nice, and don not always changed your mind when work in progress. Manager is someone that have to motivate his subordinates when we are down and someone to take blame on our mistake when it comes to the big boss.
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TSpucman
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Jul 12 2006, 12:52 PM
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QUOTE(darun @ Jul 11 2006, 03:51 PM) Lucky you, so far most of my managers are of technical background promoted to management positions due to their tenure. Personally most of them are good Most of the managers I have seen are NOT technical people, that's why they give ridiculous deadlines and don't know what is involved. When we ask them technical questions , they do not know.
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nightzstar
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Jul 12 2006, 12:54 PM
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What kind of manager that is ideal for you all? Care to give opinion?
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PrinceHamsap
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Jul 12 2006, 02:21 PM
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a manager quality is based on the person itself not by its country
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darun
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Jul 12 2006, 04:47 PM
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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Jul 12 2006, 12:54 PM) What kind of manager that is ideal for you all? Care to give opinion? I used to work in a big MNC technology company in the states. Their company structure is such that they have 2 different org chart. One for technical and one for non-technical. Our manager is from the non-technical chart, whereas our team lead is from the technical chart. Our team lead is actually higher in position and pay in the technical org chart than our manager. Our manager does not manage any technical issues, those come from the technical team lead. Requirements come from the Business Anaylysts. Our manager is there to resolve non-technical/people/inter department issues. The manager is not there to be a boss/big brother (as I stated, some technical seniors in the team actually are higher ranked than the manager). The manager is there to manage the non-technical side, resolve conflicts (or escalate to higher management if not possible), ensure operationally everything runs smooth, report to higher management on the status of the team progress, etc. On the flip side, here in boleh land, managers are often treated as freaking gods. They are the boss, they are oftern given absolute power over you. What they say you must do regardless if it is realistic or pratical.
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TSpucman
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Jul 12 2006, 09:06 PM
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QUOTE(darun @ Jul 12 2006, 04:47 PM) I used to work in a big MNC technology company in the states. Their company structure is such that they have 2 different org chart. One for technical and one I thought ang moh make better manager than local ones. If the MNC hire local managers then it is just like a hellhouse .
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nightzstar
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Jul 12 2006, 09:16 PM
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Anyone of u that thinking of become manager?
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TYK
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Jul 12 2006, 11:47 PM
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QUOTE(pucman @ Jul 12 2006, 09:06 PM) I thought ang moh make better manager than local ones. If the MNC hire local managers then it is just like a hellhouse . My first job was in a giant MNC, and I tought they are the worst managers I could have. Now my current job in a small company has managers that are moronic up to rediculous level!
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olman
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Jul 13 2006, 01:17 AM
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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Jul 12 2006, 09:16 PM) Anyone of u that thinking of become manager? meme, a technically sound manager that is
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SUSkyheng
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Jul 13 2006, 01:19 AM
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Should specify which company, is GLC or private.
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TSpucman
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Jul 15 2006, 12:42 PM
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QUOTE(kyheng @ Jul 13 2006, 01:19 AM) Should specify which company, is GLC or private. Both. The GLC companies manager are very relaxed and doesn't do much work.
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Ido
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Jul 15 2006, 06:21 PM
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I met one manager that I would consider the no brain. He act like he know how to manage people, very good in technical things, very hardworking, give unrealistic dateline, whatever big boss request he will say yes.
The consequences to this is project failed or always in progress no ending one, loaded with too many project, he himself always sit in the office facing the computer, smile to the computer, all his subordinate lost direction and wanted to left the company, everyday scold this and that. Eventually he kena sack. Everyone stay pula.
What a good ending...
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