i am very headache to chosing HU..
which HU brand better?
i very interested Pioneer 5750/7750 and Eclipse CD2000/3000
then i listen many negative comment to Eclipse..
can any sifu guide me?..

This post has been edited by Andiboi: Jul 7 2006, 05:19 PM

beside that, i wondering why no one discuss about "Pioneer DEH-P1Y"..
can i get some feedback about this HU too?..
this HU seem quite good...
with 6.5v Preout..
how much does this HU cost? >.<

How about Eclipse CD7000 cost?
Alpine 9855 cost?

kawan.. P1Y sure it's good.. an HU for rm3-5k(not sure).. how many ppl could afford 2 get 1? o should i say who is willing 2 spend tat amount of money juz 2 haf a HU?

hmm.. pioneer's good HU will start from deh-8650 and above.. and eclipse do good from their cd3000 and above..

bear in mind tat pioneer's HU is detachable while eclipse is not.. eclipse's pre-out is @ 5v while pioneer's.. not sure ler..

talking about user friendly.. pioneer is good at it. not tat eclipse is not good but juz tat it is less user friendly if 2 b compared wif..

This post has been edited by mattchin: Jul 7 2006, 08:51 PM

pioneer 8650??
but most of people are talking about 7750 and 5750
seldom people said 8650..
any futher information can give me?
anyway i'm in Sabah, KK so i wont really need a detachable..
cause in this city are so PEACE! ^-^
but some say that eclipse cant play pasar malam or so on..
and one more thing.. function stuff?
is it function really matter to the Sound Quality?...
some said pioneer many function while eclipse nope..
i have no idea at all..
i got all the component, amp, sub equip in my Car..
all is lightning audio brand..
but only HU keep original..
the Sound are very bad...
i wondering is it the HU matter or the speaker not good..
i am super noob to ICE >.<

hehe... you cannot wish to go far with stock HU... after you change your HU you will feel animprovement on the SQ... by how much still hav to see the HU...

with pioneer 5750 and 7750 i would say they are good mid range product... cons are the pre-out are rated at 2.2v max only... if you are aiming for a overall improvement then i would suggest you to get a high out-put pre-out... the eclipse would be jus nice with its 5v... this will make your overall SQ bolder and "full"

8650 is a good HU... dunno if they still produce this one... built-in crossover, EQ, TA and others... dun think they are too pricy...

between 5750 abnd 7750, i would choose 5750 cuz they are both basically the same thing jus that 7750 has the OEL thing... when you take that into account.. it will actually effect a little on your SQ as some of the power is use for the OEL and loss more as heat... the more power you lose the worse the SQ... thats why high end HU doesnt come with all thse "bunga"...

cheers...

This post has been edited by craziechild: Jul 7 2006, 10:32 PM

oic..
so r u introduce me to chose eclipse?
or pioneer?
anyway please don only say the brand >.<
model as well will be easy for me to look on it..
i not sure which model should i buy for the eclipse brand..
cd5425? cd3000? cd2000? cd5325? cd bla bla bla.. haha
which one? >.<

Cheers ^-^

for that kinda budget
i will off for a Eclipse 5425

how much for 5425?
i was keep doing research with this model..
seem like very good model..
but what is the meaning of "5V preamp output with low 55 impedance"
"with low 55 impedance"??
what is that mean? >.<
"1-bit DAC" <-- what this about?

This post has been edited by Andiboi: Jul 7 2006, 11:52 PM

i'm an user of 5425.. but hmm.. ur Qs about the specs.. he! he! relli dono larhh..

i juz know tat the sound quality is satisfying while the built-in crossover not relli tat great larhh.. if u r not an extreme.. it's a good player..

DAC stands for Digital Analog Converter (extreme player is @ 24bit)

btw cd3000 is the replacement for 5425.. specs r around the same juz tat it comes along wif an IPOD ready feature.. (correct me if i'm wrong)

This post has been edited by mattchin: Jul 8 2006, 12:16 AM

I would say that the Pioneer 8650 is actually a pretty full featured HU(13 band graphics EQ, ability to run 3-way active(2-way front + subwoofer), it's replacement model the P80RS is an even better unit, comes with 16 band seperate left and right graphics EQ, same 3-way active crossover with more crossover points for better flexibility.

yeah!! it's the word..

"crossover points".. ha! ha!
keeping on forgetting the words..

how much for 8650?
and how much for cd5425?
which one is worth for money?

8650 is discontinue
guess u need to find for pre-own units

hey..my fren is letting go 8455 for rm1500 only
2005 top of the line

hmmm...
where u live?
i'm in sabah,kk...
cant COD >.<..
is there any safe method??

any sabah seller here?..

pos laju lo... buy the insurance for it also...

highly recomend's 8455 for it's very own 8V preout..
ha!ha!.. GENG ah!!

one of the best mid-high range player..

a step b4 P1Y, HX-D2 and alpine 7990.. (& others)

highly recomended..!! price is also veli good.. (new unit is @ rm2.3-2.5k)

what about Pioneer P1Y?
which one better?

i would take the eclipse 8455 if compared to the P1Y... for me P1Y is more towards for show only...

8455 is consider on par with HX-D2 and better than P1Y IMHO

is 8455 a pure deck? pure copper deck?

P1Y comes wif a "sound processor" and D2 comes along wif the "power stabliser/regulator" (o something like tat lar)

as for me.. eclipse 8455 is somewhere around alpine 7998r

This post has been edited by mattchin: Jul 9 2006, 03:04 AM

the P1Y is just a DSP... many mid-range HU also has it

while the HX-D2 , u mean the DC-DC converter?

8455 is not a pure deck, it has got 3 way active x-o, EQ, TA, DSP, 8v output, copper body
just not to forget.... top of the range for eclipse at 2005...how bad u expect it to be ?

This post has been edited by driftmeister: Jul 9 2006, 12:08 PM

bah.. i don want get 2nd hand HU..
no one would ever sell thier stuff if there wasn't any problem..
maybe.. hehe..
so what HU should i get then?
i think to get P1Y.. but driftmeister say just a DSP?
what is the meaning DSP?
so what is your recommended HU for me?
ofcoz i got a budget limit..
<RM1000.. would be nice..
but high abit doesn't matter..
<RM1500 will do too

This post has been edited by Andiboi: Jul 9 2006, 02:18 PM

bah
why would we keep so many HUs around
let me count

8061, 8454, 9833, 946, 9255
i've sold 5 of my used HUs
the reason i sell is " Why I need so many HUs while i dun have so many cars"
so now i left 3 only

The P1-Y is purely show, IMO it's not much of a compare towards the others u mentioned. Notably, the others have a more advanced crossover with the ability to run active.

The 8650 can still be had if you find the right places, i think can still get it for about RM1500 nowadays, else, you'll have to settle for the P80RS for about the same features.

This post has been edited by GRexer: Jul 9 2006, 07:29 PM

P80RS is using optical connection right?

i think between P1Y and eclipse 8455 i would go for 8455... because it has more USEFUL functions than the P1Y... P1Y to me is jus for show... not really a good player considering the price offered... if you insisted on getting a pioneer... then P80RS, 9650 and 8650 is very recommended... i used 9650 last time and i would say it is a good HU... but too bad it was stolen...

cheers...

oic!!
9650 and 8650 how much?
seem like very expensive la...
P80RS ofcoz out.. haha.. too expensive..
due to the price, which one is more worthy?

Don't think P80RS has an optical connection, it's nothing like the P9/P90 though More like a freshened up 8650MP, wif more crossover points, a seperate left and right EQ(very professional, almost like those high end processors as i believe left and right WOULD always need different equalization due to the in-car environment), though, wif a lower pre-out voltage of 4V instead of the original 6.5V in the 8650

I would say if you are considering the Pioneer, if you can still find 8650 around it's worth the buy below RM1500.

is 8455 a copper deck/pure deck?

as i kn0w.. from eclipse.. 8061 and 8051 is the copper deck.. (as in affordable price range)..
while from alpine it is 7990r and 7998r..

he! he!.. relli don c the use of the pure decks do..

so thread starter.. haf u determine wat u goinna get liao?

copper deck and pure deck got no relation

AFAIK, some ppl say that eclipse can't play pirated/pasar malam cd is because the eclipse can pick up and reproduce the imperfections introduced during production. don't expect those disc to be properly mastered. i've heard some really bad pirated disc although i use an entry level player. the sound is really horrible. a self-burned disc using MP3 ripped at 128k from original disc and then converted back to cd-audio format is years better than those horribly mastered discs.
if the cd is properly mastered, the eclipse is supposed to be a pleasure to listen to

soli ah boss... tak tau larhh..
so wat r they actually?

copper deck means the HU body/cover is using copper
(this is to prevent external interference according to some other expert)

pure deck means it's just a CD "player" CD "transporter"
without DSP, TA, X-O, EQ,internal amp and wat so ever

a good example for copper pure deck is Eclipse CD8051/8061

This post has been edited by driftmeister: Jul 11 2006, 07:50 PM

thanks.. dudez..
UN aledi..

so where's the seller and his decision?

i also confused which one to choose, at the end i choose Pioneer 6850
almost same price as cD3000

wait no more.. surely is cd3000 bcz it has pre out voltage.. nice clean sound.. definately not a match wif 6850

cd 3000 jus install in my car wit full set sound stream speaker n amp

sound super ultra good

is it vios?

Wah got install tinted also...haha

definately.. and the time he tooked the picture was 3:06.. he! he!

8455 is last years top model. This years top Eclipse model is CD7000.

My previous 8455 got sensitivity problem with the right knob and got bit of problem with the eject button. But sounds great la. the CD7000 is even better! I just upgraded from 8455 to 7000.

This post has been edited by DJ TIESTO: Jul 17 2006, 10:24 PM


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in www.mycarhifi.com (Buy sell section) , got one guy selling the Eclipse 8455 for RM1500 negotiable. Offer him 1200 and get it la. Good deal cos it's last years TOP ECLIPSE Model. Got TIME ALIGNMENT and GOT CROSSOVER and 8V pre-out ( overkill la). But for that price is good deal. Not mine. I traded in my 8455 for cd7000.

i think the 8455 @rm1.5k it's either driftmaster himself o his fren (like he said)...

so dude.. cd7000? how's it? more user friendly than the previous eclipse mah?

how much u got for cd7000?

the cd7000's interface is so much more user friendly and has a much more logical layout. the screen is better.

sound wise quite similar.

RM2200. did i get slaugthered?

i think the price is quite OK...
hmm.. i'm still wondering y is it this new model onli come 5V preout when the previous (8455) came wif 8V preout..

the problem is
"can u hear the difference?"

i'm using it now.... overall ok but now targetting other hu.

This post has been edited by .:BreT:.: Jul 18 2006, 02:07 PM

cos 8V was an overkill ler

i dunno ler. u tell me lor.

u can always sell me cheap cheap...wahaha

lol... might change it soon, but after i collect back money from fren first
*** btw sory mine is cd 5425 ***

wah..i tot cd7000..cheh..wahaha
ok la...if really cheap to sell me i dun mind..hehe...just jk...

how much is cd3000? i got offered rm900. very tempted