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TSwaters
post Jan 21 2014, 03:32 PM, updated 7y ago

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Hi all,

My wife and I have been TTC for about 4 years. No luck. Early last year we went to TMC, tried IUI 3 times, all failed. Dr. Menon then recommended IVF. However, he left TMC at the end of 2013, so we're in a dilemma about where to go next.

I'm looking at SunFert, Metro IVF, Alpha and Sime Darby Subang (old SJMC).

Anyone have any info on any one of the above hospitals and their success rates.

Thanking you in advance!

Rgds,
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post Feb 11 2014, 07:10 AM

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Wow! Thanks for all the help people. We'll be starting our journey soon. Now trying to keep our spirits up, staying positive before we embark.

I'll keep you all updated.

Thanks again!
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post Mar 28 2014, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(abcde90 @ Feb 14 2014, 08:06 AM)
TTC is a stressful period. Both u n ur spouse need to Chillax n always think positive.

All the best to you.
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QUOTE(lhj_131 @ Feb 19 2014, 02:37 PM)
Hi you can consider Sunfert, Dr Wong. My Husband & I started seeing Dr Wong on Nov 2011 and we are gifted a pair of twins on Sept 2012.  smile.gif
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QUOTE(Nitrous @ Feb 21 2014, 03:33 PM)
Just sharing some experience, my wife and I did went for 2 rounds of IVF procedure, and still doing it now...
Round 1 : IVF at Sunfert under Dr Wong. Unsuccessful even with 3 Grade A embryos. Still have one frozen embryo there but wife decides not to go back there until we seek second opinion.
Round 2 : Now under Dr Helena Lim at KL Fertility and Dr Yuan at Xi Fertility (they work together). Dr Helena is very nice, and knows that there are much more than just blocked tubes in my wife's case, and together with Dr Yuan, prep my wife and me before even starting the IVF, ensuring the best chances of success (Dr Helena always say, "You must do your "homework" before starting IVF ya...")  nod.gif . It took us 3 months to prep for it... and we are starting the IVF injections whenever my wife's second day arrives (anytime now).

Good luck in your journey TS. You can ping me if you want to know more about the whole process.
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QUOTE(Angie123 @ Mar 22 2014, 12:59 AM)
Hi u can go for metro ivf as it is much more convenient for working couple as it open at night from 6 pm to 9 pm on mon to fri except Thursday . Dr tee and nurses are very friendly .
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QUOTE(IReallyNeed Answers @ Mar 27 2014, 12:33 PM)
Glen Eagle and klfertility is good.

but dont expect it to be affordable.
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Hi all,

Thank you for the replies. Appreciate every single one.

After a few months of thinking, preparing...I think my wife and I are finally ready. We are most likely going to go with Alpha Fertility Centre at Kota Damansara. We felt extremely comfortable with Dr. Leong and we feel that this is the right choice for us. If all goes well, our appointment to start would be mid-April.

Nonetheless, all options mentioned here are excellent choices and I feel anyone TTC should explore all avenues given.

This is going to be our first IVF, I'm 36 and my wife is 31. The doctors were very confident with our chances as the problem is with me cry.gif , not my wife. She checked out A-OK. However, we are more tapered with our expectations and keeping in mind this is going to cost a fair bit of money, approx 18-22k, I'm cautiously hopeful.

I'll probably be PM'ing some of you over the next few weeks before we start, if we have any questions, if you don't mind.

Some general questions, (Sorry if it sounds too direct, just that I need some info)

1. How old was your better half when doing your first IVF?
2. How much did it cost you?
3. How did you manage the emotional roller-coaster during the month?
4. Did you inform your immediate families of your decision? How were their responses? - I've spoken to some of my family members earlier on, they were unable to accept the fact that we couldn't conceive naturally, their answers were "Just take a holiday", "Need to reduce your stress", "It only takes one", "don't worry, it'll happen". But now they seem to be coming along very slowly. Took awhile and a lot of heated conversations, though.
5. (Sorry if this question is painful) -> If you were not successful on your first try, did the doctor try to explain why?

Thanks again and good luck to all of you on your journey!!!



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post Apr 4 2014, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(Nitrous @ Mar 29 2014, 10:54 PM)
1. First IVF, I was 35 and she was 34. Just a FYI, the reason why we went for IVF was because wife had both her fallopian tubes blocked, hence no other method besides IVF to get pregnant. But as noted earlier, we have gone through 2 failed rounds, hence we are thinking there are more than meets the eye (literally).
2. Round 1 : Sunfert around 30k-ish, including freezing of remaining embryo and a day-care surgery to remove some polyps.
Round 2 : KL Fertility and Xi TCM Fertility Center (they work together, one Western medicine and one Chinese medicine), 25k-ish and adding up, excluding upcoming FET (Frozen Embryo Transfer) to transfer the remaining frozen embryo at a later date.
Total to date (more to come) : 55k with some spare change to pump petrol and parking, so be prepared...
3. So far my wife has been good throughout the IVF process. Not all women gets hot flashes. She did shed a tear though, when the pregnancy test results came about... so be strong, and encourage her. Speak to those who have gone through the experience, that would help a lot sometimes...
4. No. A few reason to keep it a secret :
4.1 They do not understand the process and what is going on, and will probably insult you for going through that process ("Why do u spend do much on it? Just go for a break la! Don't work so hard." or "SEE! Told you to marry the other women")
4.2 Without realizing themselves, they are actually a burden and a source of stress to your wife during the process. You and your wife needs a quiet time to go through this peacefully, not yapping or nitpicking aunts and mothers... Imagine if the IVF process fails, you'd need to answer to them too, in which the answer probably be "I don't know".
4.3 Further repercussion later on when the baby is born. I know coz I have cousins conceived via IVF, and they nicknamed her the "million-dollar baby". That is something that your kid had to go through unfortunately if they were to know.
5. Don't expect any answers from them. With 2 failed rounds, both doctors are unable to fully diagnose why it has failed (refer to 4.2 as well), although KL Fertility was better managing our expectations by helping us analyze where they think has gone wrong (and next steps to overcome them). There are still powers-to-be which controls human's destiny, and it does not come from the doctor's room or the operating table.

Good luck in your journey.. and all the best to both of you
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QUOTE(abcde90 @ Mar 30 2014, 09:51 AM)
For couples who are still trying to conceive Keep ur chin up.

And may all of you be blessed with beautiful and healthy babies.
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QUOTE(megane5439 @ Mar 31 2014, 09:57 AM)
Hi, me and my husband planning to do our IVF with Dr Helena also. I also hope she can really help us on this. My problem is my two fallopian is block too. So seem alot of people here are said Dr Helena is good. So i hope i really choose a correct doctor n fertility center then. Any idea how to prepare our self before proceed to IVF?

Now i really worried my 1st ivf will fail as financial are tied after this. Good to hear that some of you are success in IVF. Happy to hear that.

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Thank you all for your kind words.

Megane5439,
My wife and I have only met 2 doctors, Dr. Menon and Dr. Leong (Alpha Fertility). Both are excellent, however Dr. Menon does not do IVF anymore. I can't say for anyone else, but I'm sure all of them are exceptional in their fields! Go with any doctor whom you feel comfortable asking questions to.

If you are thinking of doing IVF, usually the hospitals would have IVF counselling, ask anything there. No holds barred! Mentally, I guess you would need to be prepared to do more than 1 round of IVF. Always hope for the best, though. You will start having sleepless nights thinking about "will it work?", "what if it doesn't?", "It's going to be very expensive", "how do we keep our spirits up?". I know, currently going through that.

Meditation, prayer, being around friends and even focusing your energy on your work or any other activities does help, albeit temporarily. Just remember, once it works, looking back 1 or 2 years, it would all be worth it.

Stay positive and happy always!

Nitrous,

Thank you for your advice, it couldn't be truer! Families can be really toxic at times, I can totally relate. My wife shed a tear when we read that your IVF cycles didn't work, we wish you all the luck in the world for the next.
We'll be starting our first cycle on the 15th, so we're nervous, hopeful and scared.

We'll update more once we start.



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post Feb 9 2016, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(Fujihime @ Feb 9 2016, 03:11 PM)
Hi peeps

Is there a list of fertility centers that I can check out? Bad news has happened to us and we most probably need to go for a ivf icsi treatment...
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I would suggest Alpha Fertility Centre. BTW, where are you located? Best to look for a place close to where you are.
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post Feb 10 2016, 12:28 AM

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QUOTE(Fujihime @ Feb 9 2016, 04:35 PM)
I'm staying in ara damansara. Is location going to be a factor? My hubby travels a lot for work so I might need to go to clinics in my own sometimes. Is there any recommended ones for dealing with MFI?

Also, we did a screening at fertility associates in PJ. Hubby wants to get a second opinion. But these centers wouldn't be unethical as to give you false reports in order to get you to sign up for IVF right?
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Yes location is a factor. You will be paying quite a few visits to the clinic, with all the baby stuff in your head, getting stuck in traffic or travelling for an hour is really going to drive you nuts.

We stay in Tropicana so Alpha or TMC were the closest options. We chose Alpha at the end.

Getting a second opinion is fine, we got 3 before staring our fertility journey. I really don't think that the labs will doctor results to get you to do IVF. If you feel that way, get tested at a government hospital.

Not too sure about MFI, the doctor at Alpha (Dr. Leong) told us our best option was IVF. He didn't rule out IUI, though.

Hope this helps!

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post Feb 10 2016, 12:29 AM

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QUOTE(mechanicalKB @ Feb 9 2016, 04:49 PM)
I recommend you at least get a consultation like 2nd opinion
and I recommend Dr SP Ng at Columbia Asia Puchong

friendly honest and importantly knowledgeable and experienced
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Hi, Thanks for your advice, but that post was 2 years ago. We have a baby girl now. 8 months.

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post Feb 10 2016, 02:16 AM

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QUOTE(Fujihime @ Feb 10 2016, 01:23 AM)
Thanks! I'll try to call up TMC tmr to see of a screening can be done. Were the 3 tests that you do all resulting to the same conclusion?

May I know how long does it take for you to be pregnant from the time you decided to take on IVF?
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Great! If you can, see Dr. Surinder. He's usually pretty booked out, but really good.

Yup, all 3 tests were more or less the same

Okay, our IVF journey was a bit traumatic. We started sometime in mid April 2014. The whole process took about 5 weeks and we found out it we were pregnant during the first week of June. Two weeks later we lost the baby, it was an ectopic pregnancy so my wife had to go through an emergency surgery to remove the egg. Yes - IVF can cause an ectopic. Rare, but it happens.

Surprisingly we got pregnant naturally in November 2014, 5 months after the ectopic. Amazing, we were speechless. This was after 7 years of marriage and trying to get pregnant. All the doctors we saw told us that IVF was possibly the only way.

Looking at my daughter today, I still can't believe it.

Anyway, back on topic. The whole IVF process should take 5 weeks or so, then another 2 week wait before you know if it worked. The doctor will advise you when to start taking the daily hormone jabs, when you should come in to check the growth of the eggs, when to come in to extract the eggs and when they will fertilize and transfer the embryos or blastocysts. These dates should all be mapped out when you start the procedure.

If you are working, please try to take a lot of leave, especially during the transfer and the 2 week wait.

Expect to pay in the region of 25-30K. I don't like to say this, but try to budget for 2 IVF cycles.

Good luck!


This may sound weird, but start talking to your baby as if he/she is here. It really helped us through some tough times.






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post Feb 10 2016, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(mechanicalKB @ Feb 10 2016, 03:01 PM)
congratz then

you are surely more experienced to know *and advise in return what when right and what
when wrong or what to avoid as you are now more than 8 months the wiser

share with us your experience
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Sure!

See my post reply to fujihime above. Post #154.

Our IVF journey was crazy scary and a real emotional monster that we had to handle.
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post Feb 10 2016, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(mechanicalKB @ Feb 10 2016, 05:45 PM)
did the hormone injections make you put on weight?

went fatty?

when daughter came out went for C-section or normal birth?
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FYI, it was my wife not me, she didn't put on weight during the IVF. However some people may find that it does.

We went for a c-section at 39 weeks due to some complications late in the pregnancy.

How about you? Are you planning to start any treatments?


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post Feb 10 2016, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(Syd G @ Feb 10 2016, 06:22 PM)
If you have adequate proof you can always lodge an official complaint with the MMC rather than here.

Obstetrics is very litigious, they tend to play on the safe side. Hence any potential complications also they'll suggest a c-sec esp when it's a "million-dollar baby".

Informed consent is also needed with every procedure. Hence if your doctor is too lazy to tell you exactly why they're suggesting a c-sec, you're allowed to refuse it. You're also allowed to go seek for 2nd, 3rd, 4th opinions.
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Yup totally agree with you on that.

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post Feb 10 2016, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(mechanicalKB @ Feb 10 2016, 06:11 PM)
when it comes to gynae advice I think you will know by now that there
are always 'complications' - its standard advice and sorry to say which
you may not agree, it makes them more money to tell you that hence
the need for c-sect not natural - why? like I said there's always
'problem but not to worry, we can do a c-sect' thingy

I'm not planning anything, just thinking of the money these Drs make
with the mass of the ignorant population

like I said when I die and get born again I want to be a specialist Dr
and own a 4 storey bungalow sports car thirsty SUV and a boat at my
holiday villa at a seaside
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Hi,

Why mention Columbia Asia? Have you gone there for treatment?

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post Feb 25 2016, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(Mrmr @ Feb 24 2016, 08:18 AM)
Hi may I know what The different btw IUI and IVF ? Which 1 is for more serious case
And what the price range for this 2 treatment ?
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Hi!

http://uscfertility.org/back-basics-difference-iui-ivf/

You can read this for the differences. Generally IUI is a quick procedure vs IVF.

IVF, of course, is for more serious cases, but I would suggest you talk to your doctor. They will be able to advise you a lot better.

Can you share your fertility journey so far with us?

Good luck!!!
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post Apr 13 2016, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(skydrake @ Apr 13 2016, 12:03 AM)
My wife was 37 we decide for IVF. We been trying for 4+years and done research for 2+ years before deciding on IVF. I had found a lot of reasoning that IVF is suitable for us because my wife got cysts and my little swimmer is normal "means not very kuat in other words  shakehead.gif " and we're getting OLD. So i did more research and most article saying should not have problem for pregnancy however some article said it "might" have chances contribute to fertility problems. *I found this article AFTER we're in the IVF process, big gamble huh?*

For your question, "Is it normal to go for IUI first and if it is not successful only go for IVF?". I can't give any advice on this but your age  "31", I suggest u to do more research and takes more time to digest all the info. I bet u will come out with better decision, I can't guarantee this will helps but at least this will reduce the mistakes of going to the wrong path. From the body checkup part and into the process will takes u A LOT of $, effort, time, pain and HOPE is the important things.

And this question, "I just did the xray scan, it is so painful I almost fainted. Is IVF painful too?". I really don't know how painful it is, the only thing I participate is everyday I need to use needle to poke my wife belly to inject the medication. If u got time can read my facebook page in my previous reply on top but is in chinese. My wife logging the journey from the day we "think" on IVF until today with my babygirl picture.
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Congratulations!
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post Oct 29 2016, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(dreamcomes @ Oct 29 2016, 09:05 AM)
Thanks so much your reply. We went lab can check, told sperm got prob so may need iui, so jus wonder how much it cost ? It will b a burder for us.
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Good morning,

We did 3 iuis in 2013 all failed. It costed us about 2k each time at Tropicana Medical Centre. That was 3 years ago.

Anyway, iuis are sort of a hit and miss. Because of the sperm washing, it doesn't live as long so the timing during insemination must be spot on. Usually it's the best guess of the doctor.

Depending on your age, you can try iui. Did the lab give you an indication on costs?
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post Oct 29 2016, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(dreamcomes @ Oct 29 2016, 01:38 PM)
They dunno d cost as well. I so depressed now, seem like iui like more in luck rather than real improvement in achieving pregnancy.😧
I tho by iui, d chances will b much better. Feel like hopeless now.
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Hi, the chances are better, but ivf is of course a lot lot higher. I suggest talk to a doctor, they should advise you on your next action, not a lab.

In this thread there are tons of recommendations of doctors. Go to one close to you, take the sperm test results and discuss it.

Good luck! My wife and I tried for 7 years before we got pregnant. It was a tough tough time for us. I feel what you're going through.
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post May 7 2017, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(Turbota @ May 7 2017, 02:09 AM)
Has anyone here heard anything about "Concept Fertility Centre" in KL? .... They are part of the Damai Service Hospital.
I have emailed them 2 times already with questions concerning IMF, and have never received a reply.
They have a website that is still working, but maybe they are now out of business?
http://www.conceptfertility.com.my/
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Call them to find out.
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QUOTE(JK915472 @ Dec 20 2017, 11:38 AM)
Sorry, sperm mobility is wrong spelling. It should be sperm motility.
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What did the doctor say? Usually they will recommend ICSI.

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