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Is it true Torrent will spoil a Laptop faster?
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Is it true Torrent will spoil a Laptop faster?
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Jan 16 2014, 01:26 AM
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There's nothing to support that..
at least on Google there isn't |
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it can spoilt HDD faster, even worst on SSD
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Not direct spoilt. Since u switch on ur laptop longer, it wear the laptop.
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QUOTE(petelowyat @ Jan 16 2014, 08:56 AM) the torrent file will split to many fragment and locate into your HDD. Your HDD will keep searching the fragment file in your HDD to upload while downloading a new fragment file. So the HDD keep working. The lifespan may shorten. |
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well normally i will suggest not too...i've two hard disk having issue but then it's on downloading rig but not direct got issue..1~2 years like tat..except u are heavy downloader
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When BT technology created, many ppl query about the HDD lifespan. But nowday no more ppl complain as the HDD price is damn cheap.
But most of the SSD user now still wont go for BT. Due to the price and the valuable space |
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learned something new today.
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i use my ssd as torrent space....
until now the ssd still ok...2~3 year already |
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24/7 whole year,
btw, me is heavy downloader... |
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read somewhere last time said average SSD have life span of write/erase 20GB a day for at least 5 years before 1st chips fail....
and SSD will have longer lifespan than your laptop (used normally) if you have HDD / SDD in a pc, use HDD since it is cheaper, but no prove that torrent will spoil SSD torrent technology is improved d, now they write into cache first before write to disk... so is less random write on SSD/HDD above all is my assumption, please verify with google |
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me perday more that 20gb...maybe around 40-60gb or more if max speed.
so far the ssd monitoring software show my ssd still 100% healthy... |
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QUOTE(StupidGuyPlayComp @ Jan 16 2014, 10:14 AM) the torrent file will split to many fragment and locate into your HDD. Your HDD will keep searching the fragment file in your HDD to upload while downloading a new fragment file. So the HDD keep working. The lifespan may shorten. How about if I save the Torrent directory on External USB HDD, instead on laptop HDD? Is this good idea? |
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QUOTE(xproc @ Jan 16 2014, 01:55 PM) read somewhere last time said average SSD have life span of write/erase 20GB a day for at least 5 years before 1st chips fail.... For normal http/ftp download, copy paste etc...................it just write the file 1 timeand SSD will have longer lifespan than your laptop (used normally) if you have HDD / SDD in a pc, use HDD since it is cheaper, but no prove that torrent will spoil SSD torrent technology is improved d, now they write into cache first before write to disk... so is less random write on SSD/HDD above all is my assumption, please verify with google for BT it will write the file 1 time, plus many times of read for upload. Some more the file is split fragment In theory, BT will consume more lifespan than normal http download |
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wahh new information.. dont know torenting will bring bad effect
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Lol this is so funny. Don't worry about torrenting having an effect on your computer. The way memory and disk allocation occurs in modern OS's makes a lot of the information posted above obsolete. No offense for people attempting to explain above.
Whether you torrent or don't, it's not going to be using the Torrent application that will damage your computer or your hard drive. Don't worry about it at all. |
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QUOTE(ellimistx99 @ Jan 16 2014, 04:42 PM) Lol this is so funny. Don't worry about torrenting having an effect on your computer. The way memory and disk allocation occurs in modern OS's makes a lot of the information posted above obsolete. No offense for people attempting to explain above. Do you agree that BT will having more disk reading than normal http?Whether you torrent or don't, it's not going to be using the Torrent application that will damage your computer or your hard drive. Don't worry about it at all. if yes, then it theoretically will shorten the lifespan |
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Torrent do alot of read and write... if you are downloading then it is write
the concern is the numbers of read and write... for SSD there is a limited write and re-write it can perform before a chip degrade into a level it is not usable anymore... same goes with HDD the more you write and re-write it will eventually expired.... if you torrent alot say 30GB per month that is 30GB of write and re-write per month to your SSD or HDD you do the maths... read dont kill your HDD or SSD as it just read... write kill your HDD or SSD |
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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jan 16 2014, 05:52 PM) Torrent do alot of read and write... if you are downloading then it is write read on HDD = piece of cake = no problemthe concern is the numbers of read and write... for SSD there is a limited write and re-write it can perform before a chip degrade into a level it is not usable anymore... same goes with HDD the more you write and re-write it will eventually expired.... if you torrent alot say 30GB per month that is 30GB of write and re-write per month to your SSD or HDD you do the maths... read dont kill your HDD or SSD as it just read... write kill your HDD or SSD write on HDD = input new information on HDD = more harmful? |
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last time ppl say BT will hurt HDD cuz early torrenting software will read and write directly onto the HDD without buffering...
current BT software (most of them at least) will use RAM to buffer and then read/write in 1 go, thus reducing the -ve effect... if u re really so concerned, use an old HDD to BT... i ve one in my desktop (5yr old 320GB one)... BT for nearly a year still refuse to die... |
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QUOTE(astria @ Jan 16 2014, 09:54 PM) last time ppl say BT will hurt HDD cuz early torrenting software will read and write directly onto the HDD without buffering... another solution is setup your home torrent server, with rutorrent client (my family is using it)current BT software (most of them at least) will use RAM to buffer and then read/write in 1 go, thus reducing the -ve effect... if u re really so concerned, use an old HDD to BT... i ve one in my desktop (5yr old 320GB one)... BT for nearly a year still refuse to die... best to fit the torrent server with those NAS or AV HDD as these HDD have more stable voltage and speed, and longer life span as well. |
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QUOTE(astria @ Jan 16 2014, 09:54 PM) last time ppl say BT will hurt HDD cuz early torrenting software will read and write directly onto the HDD without buffering... First time heard BT/torrent will hurt HDD, but I think I am lucky enough as I have been 4 years Xunlei/IDM for my old dell, still ok internal HDD.current BT software (most of them at least) will use RAM to buffer and then read/write in 1 go, thus reducing the -ve effect... if u re really so concerned, use an old HDD to BT... i ve one in my desktop (5yr old 320GB one)... BT for nearly a year still refuse to die... |
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QUOTE(astria @ Jan 16 2014, 10:54 PM) last time ppl say BT will hurt HDD cuz early torrenting software will read and write directly onto the HDD without buffering... haha, that's why i am thinking using a cheap External USB HDD for Torrent... current BT software (most of them at least) will use RAM to buffer and then read/write in 1 go, thus reducing the -ve effect... if u re really so concerned, use an old HDD to BT... i ve one in my desktop (5yr old 320GB one)... BT for nearly a year still refuse to die... Primary laptop HDD must take carefully... |
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QUOTE(raymondtong94 @ Jan 16 2014, 10:59 PM) another solution is setup your home torrent server, with rutorrent client (my family is using it) hi, how to setup a good Home Torrent Server?best to fit the torrent server with those NAS or AV HDD as these HDD have more stable voltage and speed, and longer life span as well. ok, actually i wanna sell off my Desktop PC, becoz i wanna use Laptop soon... Do u think my Desktop PC qualify to be Home Torrent Server? Intel Core i3-2100 ASUS P8H67M-LE Kingston 8GB RAM WD Blue 500GB HDD LiteOn DVD Burner Gigabyte Powerock 500W |
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QUOTE(marine88 @ Jan 17 2014, 12:37 AM) hi, how to setup a good Home Torrent Server? any PC with basic specs will do.ok, actually i wanna sell off my Desktop PC, becoz i wanna use Laptop soon... Do u think my Desktop PC qualify to be Home Torrent Server? Intel Core i3-2100 ASUS P8H67M-LE Kingston 8GB RAM WD Blue 500GB HDD LiteOn DVD Burner Gigabyte Powerock 500W regarding home torrent server questions, i am not able to answer that as im not the one whom built that. |
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QUOTE(marine88 @ Jan 17 2014, 12:37 AM) hi, how to setup a good Home Torrent Server? this is more than sufficient...ok, actually i wanna sell off my Desktop PC, becoz i wanna use Laptop soon... Do u think my Desktop PC qualify to be Home Torrent Server? Intel Core i3-2100 ASUS P8H67M-LE Kingston 8GB RAM WD Blue 500GB HDD LiteOn DVD Burner Gigabyte Powerock 500W usually such rig can double up as file server/NAS/HTPC |
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QUOTE(marine88 @ Jan 17 2014, 02:02 AM) it all boils down to how u want to setup all the rigs in the house... anywhere is fine as long as u ve the space for HTPC usually they are placed in the living room connected to the big big LCD TV... if u do that u'll probably want to pick up a nice looking case too (eg Silverstone ML series, Lian Li PC-C37) XD |
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its true that hdd and ssd has a write limit. but to at the current price of hdd .. dont think you should be worried about breaking it..
on the laptop side, i think its more of a heat issue than hdd breaking down.. as long as u can keep ur laptop cool, should not be a problem.. |
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strictly speaking, as soon as u power up the computer, it's also degrading the parts also... so din't use computer? dun think it's really practical...
so juz use it the way u like... what's the fun when u scare this and that... |
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QUOTE(marine88 @ Jan 16 2014, 08:44 PM) You are right... reading won't hurt SSD as information just read...when you write and re-write the SSD chip will perform erase and re-insert new information thats why when you have SSD you disable disk defrag... You can read as much as you can but writing is the one that hurt the disk,,, thats why in SSD we use TRIM so the algorithm reduce the write cycle... |
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Hard disk philosophy is that the head will get degraded when you read and write too much. The moment your hard disk is not idle, it is using up it's lifespan and have chances to crash the head. When you read you still have to provide some voltage to amplify the magnetic from the disk.
Summary. Hard disk - Read write BT will spoil the HD faster. SSD - Read won't but write will spoil SSD faster. |
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using HD tune + intel SSD toolbox + crystaldisk this 3 software...
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What?? I never know it, my rig at home use for heavy torrenting atleast 20-40GB/day for blueray movie and music, system itself are pentium4 2003 with 80GB harddisk, till now only gc have problem, already 11 years still no prob to HDD
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QUOTE(dadurtyz @ Jan 17 2014, 11:54 PM) What?? I never know it, my rig at home use for heavy torrenting atleast 20-40GB/day for blueray movie and music, system itself are pentium4 2003 with 80GB harddisk, till now only gc have problem, already 11 years still no prob to HDD you are more crazy than I, 20~40 GB per day + 11 years still ok |
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QUOTE(dadurtyz @ Jan 18 2014, 12:54 AM) What?? I never know it, my rig at home use for heavy torrenting atleast 20-40GB/day for blueray movie and music, system itself are pentium4 2003 with 80GB harddisk, till now only gc have problem, already 11 years still no prob to HDD lol... what HDD brand is it? model of it pls? SATA or IDE(PATA)?This post has been edited by marine88: Jan 18 2014, 12:45 AM |
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frequent torrent will damage the harddisk due to read/write from peer or peer sharing
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i'm heavy downloader... i guess my HDD bye2 soon :'(
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i think there are two areas to be specific for this:
a.) HDD/ SDD will get spoil due too much reading and writing from torrents - Seems to have some basis for this but generally i think they are acceptable, moderation should be the key b.) PowerSupply Torrents are left open overnight for downloading - (not really the cube powersupply, i am referring to the unit that converts 240v to DC) i think this part blows the laptop faster since most laptop are not built to run for days ... desktop power supplies (and definitely servers) are better built for this |
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QUOTE(kokhoe8 @ Jan 18 2014, 11:33 PM) b.) PowerSupply Torrents are left open overnight for downloading - (not really the cube powersupply, i am referring to the unit that converts 240v to DC) i think this part blows the laptop faster since most laptop are not built to run for days ... desktop power supplies (and definitely servers) are better built for this really, this also depends on the quality of the power supply, be it desktop or laptop...i tend not to switch of my main computer, last time laptop and now desktop, mainly since I ve setup VPN to retrieve files as and when i need when i am outside... |
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QUOTE(marine88 @ Jan 17 2014, 12:37 AM) hi, how to setup a good Home Torrent Server? Yes, any computer can be a torrent server but whether or not its a good torrent server, that's a different story. ok, actually i wanna sell off my Desktop PC, becoz i wanna use Laptop soon... Do u think my Desktop PC qualify to be Home Torrent Server? Intel Core i3-2100 ASUS P8H67M-LE Kingston 8GB RAM WD Blue 500GB HDD LiteOn DVD Burner Gigabyte Powerock 500W Here's some of the characteristics for a good torrenting server 1. Low power consumption - Power consumption is very important because high power consumption = more $$ to be paid on the electricity fee. For the selection of processor, there are some series of intel's i3/i5/i7 that have low TDP. 2. Good power supply - since these computers will be on 24/7, so having a good power supply will ensure that your computer doesn't burst one day out of a sudden. 3. Less unneeded peripherals - if your computer had already had an integrated gpu, then it would be unnecessary to add in a discrete graphic card as it only adds in more point of failure. Things like amount of storage pretty much depends on the user so I won't comment on that. and, I'm talking bout a pure torrenting server, so you may exclude some of the points above into consideration if you plan to use it as your daily machine. Torrenting doesn't use too much of cpu power so any cpu would suffice(from Pentium 2 till i7 and beyond). |
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QUOTE(shingliu @ Jan 18 2014, 09:11 PM) QUOTE(astria @ Jan 18 2014, 10:55 PM) really depends... i ve a Hitachi 320GB SATA2 one until now still refuse to die, even though everyday also BT... all i can say for electronic stuff is that u never know when it wants to die... QUOTE(astria @ Jan 18 2014, 11:46 PM) really, this also depends on the quality of the power supply, be it desktop or laptop... my hdd in my x42de gonna 'kong' gua.. since phenom release quite uncomfortable heat.. and, let it dl and on the whole nite until next morning i tend not to switch of my main computer, last time laptop and now desktop, mainly since I ve setup VPN to retrieve files as and when i need when i am outside... |
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QUOTE(kokhoe8 @ Jan 19 2014, 12:33 AM) i think there are two areas to be specific for this: a.) HDD/ SDD will get spoil due too much reading and writing from torrents - Seems to have some basis for this but generally i think they are acceptable, moderation should be the key b.) PowerSupply Torrents are left open overnight for downloading - (not really the cube powersupply, i am referring to the unit that converts 240v to DC) i think this part blows the laptop faster since most laptop are not built to run for days ... desktop power supplies (and definitely servers) are better built for this |
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just need to del the tor. file, remove and del . to protect it being seeded, the longer your pc seed, the hdd will work longer. just like taking ur car to run for 300km without resting
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those are called leeches, despicable in torrent communities
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some premium sites require you to keep a one to one ratio to continue downloading.
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QUOTE(astria @ Jan 16 2014, 09:54 PM) last time ppl say BT will hurt HDD cuz early torrenting software will read and write directly onto the HDD without buffering... this one i believe is true..current BT software (most of them at least) will use RAM to buffer and then read/write in 1 go, thus reducing the -ve effect... if u re really so concerned, use an old HDD to BT... i ve one in my desktop (5yr old 320GB one)... BT for nearly a year still refuse to die... |
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QUOTE(marine88 @ Jan 16 2014, 01:21 AM) No! , but Virus/Trojan = will ruin your Laptop, Illegal File =will harm you..well if ur in USA/UK/Euro nationbut there are better chances Notebook damage by Voltage spark.. then by Torrent... download... x this is base on my Exp 14 year of File sharing upload/download look my Desktop signature i got 11TB of HDD space fo storing... +8Tb External Hdd... |
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