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 Is the bubble finally bursting? 2014, V2

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toh2020
post Jan 18 2014, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Jan 18 2014, 10:21 AM)
All these speculation is fueled by low interest loans coming from china, us, singapore n others.

Our blr rates are tagged together with us federal reserve central banks.

So if federal reserve taper n increase interest rates, I will see how many people can sustain loan payments.

Another factor is our last economy will be slowing down a lot due to these factors, inflation,  depreciation of ringgit, slow international markets, HIGH national debt and personal debts, rising cost of living.

We are heading for an economy crisis in my opinion.
All these growth comes from bank loan n u need to pay them. House price has doubled in less than 6 years.

A lot of big players already keeping cash
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if u looking at the past. it's challenge how ppl sustain loan payments. todate the loan payment had been revised. which borrower pays the same amount as per contractual agreement. however with increase in BLR or interest rate. their principle reduction is lesser. hence there is room for air.

only differences you may not complete settlement as per contract. it will drag longer and bank see this policy by BNM as win win situation for them earn more money over your outstanding balances... whistling.gif

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post Jan 18 2014, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Jan 18 2014, 01:43 PM)
BNM already says our country will not experienced another late 90's crisis mah.. but donno later is janji dicapati or not lah..but household debt 83.5% is a worrying figures.

Think of this way if crisis come you have money then songlap all u can, if no money then kelabu asap loh..lol
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we also had no clue when KWSP willl shutdown the EPF Acc 2 withdrawal for members. that for either home loan principle reduction or monthly payment. we know they kwsp already discontinue to skim beli komputer.

but when there is serious need for MOF (kementrian kewangan). the reserves are thinning out. they will stop the scheme as i mentioned. because the terms are subject to changes.

then the rest of all will............ u know i know.

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post Jan 18 2014, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 18 2014, 02:48 PM)
this is a real concern. one can see they will be trying one thing after another to slow cash going out, keeping their greedy games in play.

imagine incomes and therefore epf contriubution not rising fast enough, more capable n highly paid people go away (told to do so since they dun like whatever...). i still dun believe it but have heard 2 cases last year full withdrawals were told "no money, pls wait..." shakehead.gif

bottomline is: if epf ever resorts to changing major rules to seriously block eligible withdrawals, it's already long over.
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we as contributors are bound by the terms KWSP had for us. from the 1st day we go to work. cause we entrust our monies for their investment purposes. that inturn pays us annual dividents. however the one who make the call is MOF.

i also had frens who apply rm30,000 for principle reduction. but it was rejected and EPF ask them to do monthly installment payment to loan acc lols.
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post Jan 18 2014, 02:55 PM

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base on yearly BLR movement as per discussion below;

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3102196

the sustainable fix rate last only 3 years. for example BLR 6% from 2004 to 2006. well for 2011, 2012 & 2013 is 6.6% we had no idea what the govt will have in store for 2014 - 2015. taking into consideration GST are to kick start. a lot of outside discussion saying BLR will go up tremendously under najib's administration. reason for this is his financial management whom overbudgets and always ask for supplementary top ups.

there hardly any news govt are to control the price of building materials. this is for sure properties are to go up. not forgetting mega project like mrt/lrt in coincident.

property bubble will not burst so soon in msia. when it does burst like USA. many homes/premisses are foreclosed by the bank. the financial sectors will sell the properties at lower prices below market value. however market uncertainties surely hamper buyers. cause this is the time most ppl be tightening thier belts. this is basically survival. that was time when MY1 = USD$3.0.

when times good ppl making money. so buying is something in mind for own security and investment. when times are bad majority loses their jobs, bisnes shutdown and many entrepreneur suffers bankcruptcy. properties are avail cheaper in bulks. do u have what it takes to buy them? this exception for ppl with lotsa cash reserves in hand.

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post Jan 18 2014, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Jan 18 2014, 02:56 PM)
My hunch tells me that our epf money might be in local stock market.
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not forgetting bail-outs too..

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post Jan 18 2014, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(SchnauLover @ Jan 18 2014, 02:57 PM)
I always believe everyone is the best fund manager for themselves. My thought is that withdraw as much as you can from EPF, for house or whatever eligible purchase it is. Provided you are someone disciplined who have other kind of savings or investment that suit your retirement plan..
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not everyone is good fund manager. some withdrawal are out of desperation. they engage agents that inturn find provisional to make fraudual withdrawals...

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post Jan 18 2014, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Jan 18 2014, 03:01 PM)
yes true....however a lot of people forgotten the asian financial crisis during 1998.
when people lose jobs, how can they pay for their instalment ?

how many months of saving they have kept for bad months ?
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they usually make epf2 withdrawal for mthly loan payments. if they have sufficient balances. i m not sure if that scheme is available that time. during 1998

tightening their belts with whatever savings they got. till they find new job. borrow from family, friends and relatives.. this is biasa..

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