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post Feb 5 2014, 05:52 PM

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Hi guyz, Im planning to buy a landed property (new Launch) soon for own stay.. Looking at current economy climate, some of the agents suggested to go with Fixed rate since it's at the lowest rate (Possible to get 4.6), but would like to hear forumers opinion as well...

Im going for a 1mil+ property, 1st house so 4.1 vs 4.6 makes a lot of diff for a 90% loan margin.. More concerned on the long run so the fixed rate seems to be an interesting option and I can be free of worries but downside will have to fork out at least 500 bucks more each month...
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post Feb 5 2014, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Feb 5 2014, 06:52 PM)
Ppl with that kind of standing should have no problem purchasing any prop.. these are upper mid class achieving rich class..

make the very best use of the 1m plus.. outskirt project stay away.. mont kiara also  stay away.. buy college areas high rise.. like IMU..
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Not really upper mid class.. My prob was tat im still young, monthly installment is no prob but dp is a killer so getting help from parents, MOT itself whistling.gif .. (The only place tat u can borrow without any interest biggrin.gif )

Im targetting Kinrara area actually..

QUOTE(agentdiary @ Feb 5 2014, 06:56 PM)
yes, by all mean, if ever still possible, GO FOR FIXED RATE.
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Thx for the advice bro.. always the best advice... I was seriously considering it since now it's at the lowest rate and looking at the future economy climate, it looks all gloomy especially with China's current situation..

So BLR somehow can only seem to go up to control the inflation rate, keeping in mind GST implementation..

QUOTE(Rabel @ Feb 5 2014, 06:57 PM)
Actly is depend on ur financial planning. Is the fix rate with flexi loan package ?
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Yeap, full flexi from AIA.. The higher ur loan amount the better rate you could try for..


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QUOTE(lamode @ Feb 5 2014, 11:56 PM)
do they practice 70% MOF for 3rd residential loan? icon_question.gif
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Nt really sure bro but can pass u an AIA agent number if u want... got it from prop fair last time..

QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Feb 6 2014, 12:25 AM)
I m sorry bout the IMU.. rm 1M is aroung 4.2 k monthly depending on banks.. and assuming 10% downpayment.. for 35 years..

if you are not middle upper class.. how can you afford? 4.2k montly.. nett around 13k.. gross 14.5k? Individually unless joint purchase. Btw..you may afford to pay monthly now.. u must think 35 years down the road... coz interest fluctuates could end up paying more than 4.2k monthly.. you do know that after 35 years you have sucessfully serviced 1.7 million extra of 800k..

for joint case... u may want to consider if family members are able to joint together for 35 years I mean u know not the affordability.. relationship wise.. for wife then no problem..

with 1 million budget u can get semi d or bunglows.. east park 72..bandar mahkota cheras..
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No CC debt, no personal loans, 26, nt married & driving proton.. So commitment is almost to nothing, so even 4K+ nt bad le..

The interest rate part is wat worries me, now seems to be a gud time for fixed rate but than need to fork few hundred extra for now.. but again it's a new launch and by the time I start serving the loan which is 2 years from now anything could happen as well, so thinking of playing safe since it's gone b for own stay.. I might be able to top up extra each month to reduce the interest amount in the long run so tat shouldn't be a problem as well...

Hate Cheras area, prefer somewhere near to PJ or Subang.. Kinrara seems to be a very peaceful place n also the greenery is exactly wat I need once I get bak home *Peace* smile.gif.. n love I&P projects, superb quality..

QUOTE(fast_coder @ Feb 6 2014, 12:50 AM)
1st house already 1m+  shocking.gif

so envious  drool.gif
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I waited and waited for the house price to stabilize/drop n missed the boat for way to long.. tired of waiting so juz gone get a plc for future so decided to go with new launch.. Got a new job last year so now moved to a new bracket, so can afford it.. Previously was looking for an 800K range units, especially sub-sale units..

It's dam hard to find a decent unit at tat price in PJ so decided to for a new launch wic is slightly pricier but u get everything new n minimum reno required... Hoping to land an End lot if the price is right.. Keeping my fingers crossed..
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post Feb 6 2014, 03:14 AM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Feb 6 2014, 02:17 AM)
I tink is a risk.. unless ur nett breach 10k individually.. along 35 years... u get married.. children expenses monthly.. insurance fir your new car.. 35 years ur car scrap metal di.. and other contingency... surely during perayaan use more than less..

do you have savings then? Remember ur salary increase unless more than 500 yearly will not enough to cover the inflation..

upon satisfy the above.. in my view you can choose to buy.. check with the bank on your availability to get 900k... then proceed..

kinrara.. putri puchong not bad 3 storey superlink.. guarded gated..

my 2 cents.. I really doubt 26 can touch 10k.. nett.. unless u are d exceptional.. channelling everyting to service the loan is proven to be fatal just one tip you will fall to pieces without savings and etc...
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Well I would only say, im lucky enough to end up where I am right now n by the way im nt in O&G.. Increment > Rm500 a year for sure.. n I have checked on eligibility, 1.25mil loan at 4.1% interest rate, 1.17mil loan at 4.6%..

Thx for the advice n im trying nt to stretch myself too much as well... Trying to keep it as low as possible but the starting price for Intermediate is 1mil for 22x75 wic is shocking.gif !

Between now and 2 years time, I would go through 3 increment cycles so at 3-5% increment rate would definitely put me in better situation *assuming everything is fine for the next 2 years n I dun get married, touchwood whistling.gif *

Based on the responds I think I should be leaning towards the fixed rate, hopefully they don't increase it as well..

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post Feb 7 2014, 01:41 AM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Feb 7 2014, 01:28 AM)
well well another junior member of LYN... hopefully not having 2 accounts:

fact 1: developers as usual as malaysia boleh land can bring back DIBS in a backdoor way in any form of rebate.. this also show most of flippers have limited cash and holding power due to the need of bringing back DIBS... BARE IN MIND that in the secondary market DIBS will never be rebate by the agents/flippers/investors right? is n't it deter ppl from absorbing your secondary market? correct or not this game developers also aware that the property market needs DIBS

FACT 2: hope holy god will assist you of earning 70k less 30k? or it the other way around? factoring the 30% into the selling price? the appetite of the investors has been very sumptous prop 450k flipped 750 ( all targeting at least 200k nett profit)

fact 4: yes in primary market.. but all are investors intending to flip that resulted property sold but vacant...

fact 5: because when it reaches the 750k mark and above... ur pool of buyers (please read the salary discussion which have been addressed in depth) shrinks to only middle upper class.. and the rich (these are flippers).. so how all of a sudden malaysian majority are middle upper class earnings?

are u saying that the cooling measures are in fact to promote BBB rather that DDD? OR STOP speculation?
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A quick one, on fact 1.. I thought BNM is keeping a close eye on this n no more hanky panky stuff from the developers anymore.. n also spoke to Sales office lead n he told me tat, they expecting a challenging year ahead after all the stuff being imposed by the G.. No few % off n such stuff, so 10% deposit n u bear the interest till completion.. hopefully it deters speculative market going ahead..

In my opinion damage has been done due to lack of governance by our G on property price, so hoping for a drop is kind of wishing for a miracle (Stressing on properties with steady increase due to location, quality finishing, the developer, surrounding n so on, nt speculative ones)..

I personally came across some case, for an example Emerald & Sappire project in Kinrara was launched at 6xxK for intermediate units, right upon completion around June, 2012 it was going for 8xxK, than around early 2013 it went up to 9xxK n now after the introduction of RPGT they current asking price is at 1.15mil.. To me that is insane n the worst case, bank valuation is around tat price as well..

To me tat doesn't look like a healthy increment in the price.. so if correction happens n it falls back to 8xx-9xx than I wouldn't be too surprise, bcoz there doesn't seem to be any proper justification on the rapid price increase..

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post Feb 7 2014, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(yugimudo @ Feb 7 2014, 09:45 AM)
Ceh, that field, 10k++ at 30 is also possible.
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From personal experience, O&G is nt the only field.. Consulting is similar..Some Banking institution as well..

Some giving out bonus up to 8 months n this is nt a banking company.. Looking at current situation, 10K seems to be chap chap sui..

Some (foreigners) developers in my company are earning 10-15K per month working on-site here n that's the lowest level group, so you can imagine how much the directors/managers are earning..
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post Feb 7 2014, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Feb 7 2014, 11:36 AM)
no surprise.. this is bolehland anything is possible.. kinrara is upper middle class area... 3 storey superlink can reach 900k or more in kinrara
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2 storey is hitting 9xxk mark, including the old units as well... 3 storeys should b more than 1 mil for those decent units..

QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Feb 7 2014, 11:43 AM)
i think who need broadening is quite clear.. ur friend never tell you that many property are sold BUT VACANT?

and the climate is so good to BBB?
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I would agree on this but there can be a lot of reasons too... Some prefer to park their money on property instead of FD.. Some might be working on overseas n they would like to just have a place just in case in for future use.. Some parents buy for their children..

Previously was looking at Denai Alam and more than half of the house was for sale ntat looked crazy n the price appreciation was 100%, double from the launch price... so it really depends on the circumstances..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Feb 7 2014, 11:46 AM)
how many percent of these ppl in the pyramid system despite you claimed that it is "many"? suddenly all properties are meant for these group of ppl izzit? even outskirt? wah your pool of buyers are only upper middle class wor...

so suddenly every malaysian are upper middle class?
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Well my companies lowest earner is at 7.xK exclusive of 13 month salary, transport allowance n mobile n broadband allowance .. (3-5 years of experience)

But nt all might be earning the same level n also enjoy the same benefits.. I do wonder too how all the fresh grads are buying soho/condo wic is priced at 4xx-700x.. They could barely survive if they start serving their loan but in reality their loan applications still went through with the help of DIBS and also % offer from the developer, so low DP...

QUOTE(icemanfx @ Feb 7 2014, 11:51 AM)
Why household debt is still over 80% of gdp?
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Well I would say majority is nt rich n at the same time majority r nt educated as well.. juz look at G servants.. millions of ppl wic earning very less n with a lot of CC/personal loan..
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post Feb 7 2014, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Feb 7 2014, 12:32 PM)
Just curious what line r u in and how many people r there in your company? There is a thread in lyn somewhere that I read before. Your company is paying you extremely well compared to majority of them.
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Im in Consulting division for quite sometime now, Telco based Software provider company (Telco & Cable n Satellite TV).. In Malaysia, probably around ~1xx people.. Well at 26 I feel im paid extremely well..

QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Feb 7 2014, 12:50 PM)
Finally some reason break Bs silence here.. infact these are low end flippers low holding power or none holding power.. convinced by agents and developers.. some agents are still on their run here..

Some talk about holding where d heck they can wudo it..  you guys with 7 k above minimum are the least species believe it or not..
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True scenario can only be seen when the BLR rate goes up.. 6 - 8 months down the road definitely u would be able to see if these ppl really has the holding power or nt.. If majority has no holding power than downturn is possible in some areas.. Some locations no matter wat happen, the demand will always be there.. TTDI or Damansara area for an example..

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post Feb 7 2014, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Feb 7 2014, 03:37 PM)
According to our fellow elite lyl members here.

1.) 20% of staff earning high income.
2.) 20% staff children education fund r sponsored by company RM 100K international school.
3.) Minimum salary RM 7K/mth for all staff (i wonder tea lady, dispatch boy,  security guard included ? ) 13 months salary.

Ripley believe it or not lah ..lol

Just calculate the amount of people qualified to pay income tax then we can see how big the secondary market.

I heard MNC quite cruel when it comes to retrenchment. . wait for dead chicken. . brows.gif
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1. More like 3-7% really high income.. this are 2xk above category..

2. Im nt sure on the 100K ting as tat sounds crazy... but one of my friends dad works as CFO for a local company and all his children including my friends education was fully sponsored since he was small.. But tat was more towards a sign of gratitude from the Datuk (CEO) as the dad has been working there since 21 years old n tat was the only company he has worked for, retired at 71 years old..

3. Bro, juz a minor clarification when I said min 7K im talking about professionals n also v dun have tea lady, dispatch boy,  security guard becoz we are based in customer site..



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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Feb 7 2014, 04:58 PM)
Receptionist got.. with due respect.. this is  only executive and above right... the lowest here are the say most junior doctors in a doctors pool? Right?
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U gt the point..
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post Feb 8 2014, 02:34 AM

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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Feb 8 2014, 12:49 AM)
i think new condo project has a better chance of capital appreciation...and also condo potentially can rent out with better price...

i will recommend to go for new...cuz if second hand...sometimes if it's cheap..you factor in the reno cost...eventually it adds up...

just my opinion...
unless you can get a good bargain for 2nd hand property...
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Tat bold part seems to be the main issue here.. Juz imagine in the next 2 years, there's 5 condos coming up in one particular area.. So when u buy new, u will be like "new condo project has a better chance of capital appreciation...and also condo potentially can rent out with a better price".. than after 6 months, pops up another new condo completed, so wat happen to urs? does the logic still applies, how about after 2 years when all 5 are completed?

If this trend keeps going on, rental yield goes down.. new prop keeps going up, but 2nd market gone dry up soon n also ppl gone be stuck with the instalments as the rental wouldn't be able to cover especially when u own more than 2 unless holding power is gud.. Like stated by brother bear, the higher the price goes the smaller the buyers pool gets so wat r the chances of selling the prop at the higher price..

By the way I juz gt an update from an agent earlier, Emerald@Kinrara is valuated at 1.05mil, but asking price is 1.15mil doh.gif , wonder wat r the owners smoking over there... one intermediate unit wic is facing junction going for 980K because of Feng sui issue so hard to sell...

Expecting BBB to slow down bt nt over till gst kicks in.. but thanks to our PM n the geng, top tax bracket ppl will end up paying less tax with the new structure whistling.gif

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post Feb 8 2014, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(AmayaBumibuyer @ Feb 8 2014, 07:09 AM)
Do proper analysis and if u are right u can win a lot. I understand what u r saying. Sunway Velocity is coming up in another two years. Amaya is just completed. But Sunway is 1m++ and Amaya is half of that. but then Sunway is freehold. Then goes to rental, how much rental Sunway need to break even?, then how would Amaya would make. Then in the end, Amaya currenttly rent out at 2k++. Well see if I am wrong after Velocity completes.

Cochrane there will be another condo coming out I heard. Not sure of the details.
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Im nt really sure on the condo's tat u r pointing out as I don't really focus tat much on condo prices.. but if u r talking about a condo priced at 1mil + n on another hand half the price than tats 2 different league..

It will be easier to rent out Amaya in tat case but tat doesn't make the Sunway less attractive as well, becoz ppl with money prefer to stay in luxury condo n nt juz another condo.. n most of tis ppl r good pay masters so can say less damage to ur plc n less headache..

In case of Amaya lesser price tag would mean more choice for ppl to choose as it will competing with same price range of condo's in surrounding area.. so again location, shops/malls nearby n public transportation around the area is the factors that are the selling point in my opinion..
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post Feb 8 2014, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(AmayaBumibuyer @ Feb 8 2014, 02:15 PM)
Gold got no rental income but properties do. Simple statement that everybody understands that property is better.

Gold got no maintenance? Wrong! If u hold a lot of gold, it needs to be insured. Thats what jewellers do.
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Paper gold no maintenance bro... biggrin.gif
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post Feb 8 2014, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Feb 8 2014, 02:03 PM)
Exactly few years back when one said gold investment is a unsustainable speculation all those gold speculators would come in defend saying gold is the most trust worthy investment,  better to hold gold then cash,  one can even pawn gold everywhere to cash in, country reserved r in gold, since ancient times people keep gold, yada2
Now all start saying gold not reliable,  cannot rent out like property,  gold investment gain r paper gain,  bla3

The fact is Oil/Gold/Property/Stock speculation r all the same, it will become bubble & will become unsustainable.

They said even if properties price fall one still have property on hand,  don't forget almost everyone bought properties thru loan,  properties r belong to bank so long as one had not complete their loan tenure,  if properties price fall below the loan or initial purchase price, what do one have ? Remember during US crisis house price fall below loan value ? meaning paying a loan greater than what one can get by selling their house,

Gold need no maintenance but properties do, gold no wear & tear but house do, gold can be sold in days or hour but properties need months,  gold will not age but house will,  gold do not depends on location but house do, if govt decide build some undesirable things like highway,  bridge, incerarator,  high tension cable towel near your house the value will dropped substantiality,  may even have problem disposing it.

The conclusion is no such thing as safe investment/speculation, oil & gold have it day & so will properties,  current senario shows end of road for properties speculation/investment/flipping or whatever one like to name it, lived in denied or how ever u like, u still at losing end.
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thumbup.gif totally agree with u..
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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Feb 8 2014, 02:23 PM)
aiyooo....why always compare US property vs Malaysia property? different right?
i read that in US back then...it is so easy for anyone ah chong, ahmad and muthu to apply loan...hence the subprime property issue...

but in Malaysia, it won't reach this level as bank now tightening the approval for loan...

correct?
no?
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In my opinion damaged has been done, now juz wait for it to surface.. with a salary of 3.5K ppl can afford to buy a 450K-550K condo? how about ur car loan? In my previous company quite number of fresh grads bought a brand new honda city n yet manage to get loan for 450K-550K range condo with the help of DIBS, so nt sure how the cooling measures gone handle the damage.. for new launches, agreed tat loan application gone be tight...

Buble is everywhere but again location & demand is the one tat determines whether if it pops or turn into genuine price increase...
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QUOTE(Rabel @ Feb 11 2014, 01:02 AM)
I think u better confirm with the real bank loan officer. Coz I know CIMB calculation is the best oso can not offer so good package.
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I beg to differ, u talking about 70%.. Wif CIMB u can get even up to 80%..

It depends on ur net income n if it's high enough bank has no issue in going up to 80%.. OCBC is known to give up to 70%..

It's up to u if u want believe it or nt but tats wat exactly I was being informed since im in the process of checking my loan eligibility, as im eyeing for a new launch wic wil b launched soon..
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QUOTE(Rabel @ Feb 11 2014, 01:17 AM)
Loan approve based on 57% of nett income?. Really ?.
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Total commitment (Car + other hse loan + CC + personal loan) up to 80% of nett income.. for my case YES..

I asked the person on how they calculate it n he told me, if u r status is "single" then they will set a value on ur daily expenses wic is around RM 30 (Only applicable if u r single) x 30 days = RM 900 + few hundred for something else.. so tats the minimum amount tat u should have from ur nett income.. feel free to get in touch with any of ur banker frenz to confirm it..


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Juz took a glance of this n it's darn accurate actually.. http://www.starproperty.my/index.php/artic...h-to-the-banks/

Did the calculation n gt the exact range provided by the bankers.. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Rabel @ Feb 11 2014, 01:38 AM)
Ok Tq will talk my banker again
Coz my bank told me is monthly installment should not more than 30% of nett income
N for self employed only 20%
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It was quite straight forward for me because I got only few hundred bucks of commitment for my car loan (since driving proton), no CC debt, no personal loan, nt married n first property.. so they really offered me crazy amount of loan wic even scares the shit out me shocking.gif , even though I will only start serving the loan 2 years later (Will have 3 salary review cycles in between now n then).. but again I am also aware shit may happen in between as well.. the higher u earn the easier u drop, working class problem.. doh.gif

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