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 Is the bubble finally bursting? 2014, V2

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Minolta
post Jan 14 2014, 08:53 PM

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What is your criteria to define bubble bursting?

Reduction in transaction?
Slowing down of annual price increment?
Reduction in transaction price?
Stagnation in transaction price?

Bear in mind that this year there are new measures significantly affecting the affordability of properties as well as "attractiveness" of property for short-mid term investors.

So what property is cheaper today compared to last year?
Any DS terrace in Bangsar, Tmn Tun, Tmn Desa, DH, Subang, Kota Kemuning, OUG, Puncak Jalil, BK, Ara D, Kelana Jaya, Tmn Mayang, Kajang, Bkt Tinggi, Setia Alam transacted at lower price so far this year compared to last?
Any Condo in MK, Bkt Jalil, Kota D, Subang transacted lower than last year?



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post Jan 25 2014, 12:33 AM

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1 month in 2014 almost finish. Haven't seen prices dropping. Still lotsa talk. Air is free after all.
Wait maybe next month burst?
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post Jan 26 2014, 12:54 AM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jan 25 2014, 01:43 PM)
Bro, your link is priced at RM729k end lot 2.5 storey. After bidding, don't know how much leh

The house you mentioned price came down to RM653k is another auction which is 2 storey corner. Different house leh

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...k-house-forsale
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Well, so much for the alleged "bubble bursting". Now, who got more evidence of bubble bursting. Of course, assuming that one does appreciate the fact that burst means price drop.
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post Feb 8 2014, 01:18 AM

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Burst Liau! My bubble gum. Cham!
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post Feb 8 2014, 01:32 AM

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QUOTE(Rabel @ Feb 8 2014, 01:26 AM)
rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif , the answer is " tak Ada"
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Ada, Kalau mimpi macam-macam pun ada
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post Feb 10 2014, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(HuiChyr @ Feb 9 2014, 11:58 PM)
Wow ... for an outsider ... you also figured out Amaya's project. My fren in Malton told to stay away from this project when I requested to purchase. I missed the pre-launch btw. He told me to let this one slide. Glad I took his advise.

Prowall: http://www.propwall.my/cheras/amaya_maluri/classifieds
Total Units: 399
Advertise for sale: 954 advertise
Assuming some ads a duplicate or triplicate: 954/3 = 318 ads.

Percentage: 318/399 = 79.69% are flippers.

No need to use HIGH end statistic la .... this basic calculation also cannot pass.
GOOD LUCK AMAYA!  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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Wah the calculation is keng! Wonder who taught u that? Or maybe you learnt it while doing some reading? Can separate basic and high end statistics some more!
With so much crap, no wonder this thread still surviving!
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post Feb 10 2014, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Feb 10 2014, 09:38 AM)
Mind to share a "correct" calculation ? by bashing the fellow without showing the "right" way is pointless.  whistling.gif
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The right way is to proof that 1/3 out of all postings in an online site are flippers. How to do that? Takes lotsa time and effort to make calls and clarify. This will assertain the actual numbers of postings that are real, fishing postings (well known from that particular site), postings with overlap properties. ASSUMING that 1/3 of all postings for sell means flipping!

Or show proof from a RESPECTABLE article written by someone with inherent knowledge and qualification in similar statistics that one can just ASSUME 1/3 of all for sale postings in ONE online site to represent the numbers of FLIPPERS.
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post Feb 10 2014, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(commander571 @ Feb 10 2014, 11:38 AM)
Sample size, and SD plz...

Cap harimau survey company told me that price of properties will up at least 7% this year, SD is 2%.  thumbup.gif
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Cap Kuda Feng sui power master told me in my dreams last night property go up 10% this year. Kennot proof oso. rclxms.gif
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post Feb 10 2014, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Feb 10 2014, 03:29 PM)
Just
U "assume" his calculation is wrong by unable to show what is correct ?

U should says u disbelieve his claim though u r not sure the actual figure, correct ?

In a way he is partly correct though, isn't all statistics r base on a pool of selected survey ? like the chinese new year meet up with kawan from unamed survey company, says property market still up for next 3 years..lol
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So what's the difference if one is just to come up with a number and say he dreamt it up? Plucking a number from thin air is basically the same. 1/3, why not 1/4, 1/10. Suka sama suka, apa apa pun boleh.
I can believe a number should there be a logical process of arriving at 1/3, not if suka suka.

Survey? Lotsa type of survey. This ain't even close. Pluck a number and apply suka suka.


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post Feb 10 2014, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Feb 10 2014, 06:55 PM)
Assuming he bullshitting (apologies herein advanced to jolokia and huichyr)..just to deminstrate thus dude is talking facts or not..

amaya.. since u know better by saying plucking numbers I stead.. amaya good ah with dat price? Hmm 700k.. 660k.. rental 2.8k or 3.5k..?

occupancy rate good? Got confirm anaya klcc view blocked by velocity bo?

Just purely addressing amaya... u seem furious got how many units there..
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Furious? Haha, do u know what it even means? Ain't furious and ain't interested in Amaya. No idea of the renatl and pricing. Just the assumption that 1/3 of all postings are flippers. If u believe that to be true, then it points to the essence of this whole thread!
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post Feb 10 2014, 08:38 PM

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Feb 10 2014, 07:15 PM)
He did provide a website link isn't it, u can prove him wrong ? if cannot either u disbelieve him or ignore him.

By saying his 1/3 figures is not accurate isn't u suppose to come up with a more reliable figures (though not necessary accurate).

Eg. When someone says Construction sector contribute 10% to our GDP, I say I read it in German Malaysia Chamber of commerce was merely 3.5%  further proven by another forum member with govt statistics.

What if I said it was 1% or 20% not 10% but like him I have no prove,  but I accused him pluck from thin air, as if I am not ? correct ?

My point is burden of prove is at the accuser shoulder isn't it ?
No worry, I never says 1/3 figures is true or false, just like CNY meet up with secret survey company friends say property will increase another 3 years.

Jusr telling Minolta don't accuse something which he himself donno & cannot proce either.

Offcoz my cap gajah survey company friends statement is purely joke as well...lol
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Au contraire. The accuser does not have to proof he is right to show another is wrong. The accuser just needs to show which part is rubbish. I said the calculation is crap. I never said the numbers are crap. Hence, not necessary for me to come out with a "correct" number to show him wrong. All i need is to show the illogical part of it. If u make a statement, presumably to convince people that there are such a high number of flippers, then when challenged, one should come up with a logical proof of how one comes up with such a figure.
I made that challenge. I said its is crap as there is no logical way one came up with the figure, except by own fancy. There is no methodology to come up with 1/3. So ur logic is that he quoted one website and that constitutes a survey?
Hence, once again, to determine 1/3 by suka suka, without a proven methodology, no survey conducted as to how he came out with this number, and apply this to another number that he got from a website....is crap. I have just shown doubt on the calculation. Hence, akin to just coming out with any number.

I have said, and you can read that if there is a logical and credible sense how a 1/3 number is arrived at, then I can accept that.

I await your response.
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post Feb 10 2014, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Feb 10 2014, 07:53 PM)
Welcome.

But DDD never enter a casino. They wait outside of the casino and hope UUU lose money and sell them their underwear cheap cheap  tongue.gif
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While waiting, they like to post on LYN too.
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post Feb 10 2014, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Feb 10 2014, 09:13 PM)
Wow look at that some law background .. some logic background.. please dun confuse ppl...  no matter how u change the scenario... or how u twist or even using sum courts way of proving and destroying...dun u show pattern...  laaa... even dat 1/3 is wrong... or being assumed... wat is wrong with dat... dun negate the whole arguement here..

property price is in fact inflated beyond affordability... it seems you only pick on the tings which does not seem to matter or even to crash d whole arguement..

by applying ur pattern.. u seem more like an agent just now which has learn his lesson.. mb you are better just short of being a lawyer... due to non qualification.. it is very obvious divergence is what u looking for... ur pattern serms to dictate.. dat once you proof the rubbish part.. the whole threads is rubbish too right.. how simplify.. this is YOUR MAIN INTENTION.. no where u commenting on:

Affordability issue which is staring right there
property supplies is fueled with speculators resulting many vacant units but SOLD..
the initial boost of 300k upon VP is not applicable for subsales market
many low end flippers are working class are of high risk of defaulting which in change will cause mass financialisdue inching their way to bancruptcy
The sucess carved /profited on pre 2010 is no longer applicable

and etc..

you as careful as you are should be addressing on the main issue rather than beating around the bush to find flaws and provide more examples if market trends..
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I tried your long winded post but I am afraid you are the one beating around the bush and tryin to defend crap with more crap of yours. In essence, you are the guy that's providing ammo for all sensible forumers to trash at and keeping this thread alive! Hurray, if not for you, this forum will be quite voting already. Please continue ya:)
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post Feb 10 2014, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(HuiChyr @ Feb 10 2014, 09:20 PM)
Fuyoh ... there's a French dude in the house ....  biggrin.gif

First u said I pluck number from the air (1/3)... and now u said my number is not craps. So what r u really talking abt?

So now u said my CALCULATION is crap? Dude, it's so simple even higher school leavers can understand the logic.

Ok la ok la ... so u can sleep at night .... 954 advertise DIVIDE by 954 = 1 . One person is selling Amaya ... hahaha ... there u go. That is the most LOGICAL for u right? Hahahaha......
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So how do you arrive at 1/3? Answer that.
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post Feb 10 2014, 10:16 PM

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QUOTE(HuiChyr @ Feb 10 2014, 09:48 PM)
Yes, the 1/3 are flippers only. If for own stay buyers (OSB), they already moved IN. Not advertise to sell.
Project finished ard Dec 2013, now is Feb 2014 .... so OSB stayed for 2 months a decided to sell?  hmm.gif
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So how do you arrive at 1/3? Answer that.
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post Feb 10 2014, 10:19 PM

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QUOTE(AmayaBumibuyer @ Feb 10 2014, 09:43 PM)
Dont talk about credibility la bear bear...u lied about amaya so many times. And i believe that was my sentence where i said ur credibilty is gone and now u want to say it to others. Dont laa, ur credibilty macam mane?
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post Feb 10 2014, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(HuiChyr @ Feb 10 2014, 10:18 PM)
Is there echo in the building? ..... hmm.gif
The divide by 954 lor ...if that makes u happy. Only one seller .....  rclxms.gif
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No, it's not about happy or not. Nor is about Amaya, which I am neither vested in nor interested in. But the essence is property bubble bursting due to supposedly large amount of flippers and your coming up with 1/3 of all postings are flippers.

Now if u say its 1 instead of 1/3, then you're saying that 100% of all postings are flippers? Wow. I guess on this forum, only a handful of people may actually believe and accept your crap. But it's good crap! Live long and prosper Bubble Bursting Thread!
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post Feb 10 2014, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(AmayaBumibuyer @ Feb 10 2014, 10:19 PM)
He can't he is too dumb...hahahahaha...i am literally laughing right now.
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Now he change to 1 edi! Guess its really suka sama suka!

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