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 Is the bubble finally bursting? 2014, V2

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KChan
post Feb 10 2014, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(Rabel @ Feb 10 2014, 11:45 PM)
The calculaton oredy wrong. How can tis guy get 500k ++ loan in second property. Any banker here can confirm?..
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First loan is 90% of purchase price of 450,000 which comes to loan amount of RM 405,000. For that monthly instalment refer to the amortization schedule at http://www.amortization-calc.com/#loan-405...35-4.6-1-2014-2

Second loan is RM 540,594 which the instalment can be seen here --> http://www.amortization-calc.com/#loan-540...35-4.6-1-2014-2


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post Feb 11 2014, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(Rabel @ Feb 10 2014, 11:56 PM)
Are u loan officer ?.
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Nope. But feel free to check with your banker on the instalment amount. Anyway that is based on 70% DSR of nett income. And one caveat I forget to mentioned is that if the 70% DSR is what bank practise. The 70% is based on few sources that I read and some mortgage officer that told me.
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post Feb 11 2014, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(Rabel @ Feb 11 2014, 12:07 AM)
I think no, I dual with bank so many times. Impossible is 70%
Should 30% of nett salary. Anyway, u can check with ur banker.
If really got. Pls pm me the bank officer. I got big biz to him/her. Tq
If on, can gv u commission
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http://loanstreet.com.my/learning-centre/h...ow-based-on-dsr
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post Feb 11 2014, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(Rabel @ Feb 11 2014, 12:14 AM)
No point c tis one. Check with bank loan officer. If they can do. Let me know.
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Yes I did check. In fact I just refinance one of my property up to the maximum of my 70% DSR just late last year.

I also realised when market is not good, bank is very cautious in lending. Besides that with the 10 years refinance limit, then sure blow the DSR if do the refinance this year. So I decided to refinance to the maximum of my DSR and keeping the cash on standby. And also waiting for dead chicken if there is any to pick. drool.gif
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post Feb 11 2014, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(Rabel @ Feb 11 2014, 12:22 AM)
Wait. Go bk to ur calculation just now. Dun talk refinance.
Really banker can do ?.
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Yes for up till last year around Oct. This year I don't know if that is still possible.
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post Feb 11 2014, 12:31 AM

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QUOTE(Rabel @ Feb 11 2014, 12:27 AM)
Can u pm me the bank officer contact. Got biz to him/ her
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Erm... I don't think that's a good idea. Since I revealed quite a lot on this forum, I don't want to get anyone into trouble if someone go report him/her. Just go and check with your loan officer and perhaps try a few banks. Tell them you want to take loan and ask them the method I describe earlier and ask them if they can do. I'm sure they would be very happy to "assist" you. The bigger the loan, the better for them as well. Their commission is a percentage of your loan amount.
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post Feb 11 2014, 12:46 AM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Feb 11 2014, 12:34 AM)
rabel got this desperate meh? need cash BUY property ah? dude kc chan.. you are quite near FSAMA violation i guess... very jialat one.. that bank officer keep good time for maximization of cash for dead chicken
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Yeah I know. So perhaps I shall stop commenting. Anyway I think this year all banks will start to be "more" strict lar.

QUOTE(Rabel @ Feb 11 2014, 12:38 AM)
Kawan, that y I said u still young n lack of experience
U know if tis guy can do. Really can make a lot of money from tis.
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Rich? Please la. This is double edge sword. It can make you very rich but can kill you as well. You have to be very prudent and have good financial management. It's a very high risk and you have to look carefully lar. If market dive a little, die straight.

That's why I've been saying. This past few years, there is a lot loan easy approval for the property speculation market. And in my own personal opinion, I don't see the fundamentals that can continue to support the market growth any more. Most of the new launches these 2 years have been out of reach for the majority of the working class.
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post Feb 11 2014, 12:50 AM

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Rabel. This is for you:-

http://www.starproperty.my/index.php/artic...h-to-the-banks/
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post Feb 11 2014, 12:55 AM

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QUOTE(sampool @ Feb 11 2014, 12:04 AM)
the calculation is wrong.. because bank only borrow money if provided the first property is inflated lets said from 200k to 400k in market value base on bank evaluation. because if the flipper unable to pay the loan.. bank can lelong the 2nd house with value [540k - (30% x 540k) ] = 378k and then 1st house... actually the flipper already sell the 2nd house before bank lelong it. in another word, we call it refinancing the 1st inflated property to buy the 2nd property and no base on rental income in 1st propery. rental is just supporting income for the payment capability.
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Please read the following link.

QUOTE(Rabel @ Feb 11 2014, 12:53 AM)
U know got malaysian ppl declared bankrupt in malaysia but still can drive big car big house in china n Indonesia ?.
Some more can come bk though KLIA.
WHO? My friend lor. He bankruptcy before 30.
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You might be interested to read this as well:-

http://www.starproperty.my/index.php/artic...banks-part-2-2/
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post Feb 11 2014, 01:01 AM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Feb 11 2014, 12:58 AM)
Aiya nth so earth shatering about.. apply to court.. ask for exemption to travel.. pay money sin to ur creditors... and importanly politely talk to bank officer..they reject still jialat.. but still bankrupt but can travel

Other than this... it is bolehland anyway.. anyting goes..
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Seriously don't play play on bankruptcy. It's a damn serious one. Although you can apply to travel, its up to the court's discretion to grant you leave. And I know that if the travel is necessary only the court will grant. If not, forever stuck here and forever have to pay off the debts.
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post Feb 11 2014, 01:05 AM

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QUOTE(Rabel @ Feb 11 2014, 01:02 AM)
I think u better confirm with the real bank loan officer. Coz I know CIMB calculation is the best oso can not offer so good package.
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Well it's up to you to believe or not. In the end, I have already explain it quite detail.

QUOTE(Rabel @ Feb 11 2014, 01:04 AM)
That y, funny ler. My friend bankruptcy still can come bk during CNY.
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Come back from where? And where is he declared bankrupt?
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post Feb 11 2014, 01:09 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Feb 11 2014, 01:06 AM)
With 7%+ rental yield and positive cash flow, Gunalan sure can buy 500 more of these properties.
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Hahaha. And yes, this is what most of the "property guru" teach to investors. Of course that article didn't mention if cannot rent and property prices dip lar. By then, a lot of them will be up in flames.
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post Feb 11 2014, 01:10 AM

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QUOTE(Rabel @ Feb 11 2014, 01:09 AM)
Bk From china. Bankrupt in Malaysia.
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Came back thru underwater passage? Fly to haadyai, then take the border crossing by paying bribes? rclxms.gif
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post Feb 11 2014, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(kochin @ Feb 11 2014, 09:56 AM)
i am not too sure on this.
bankers, please feel free to chip in.

using your above illustration, assuming tenure 35 yrs limit as per original loan. one needs to know the original loan amount as well which you did not provide.
if let's say original loan amount was RM300k.
then the calculations should be:
refinance monthly installment would be based on:
RM300k, 35 years tenure
top up RM200k, 10 years tenure

that is my understanding of the new systems although i might be proven wrong here.  tongue.gif
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HuiChyr is right. Please refer here: http://loanstreet.com.my/learning-centre/1...nancing-cashout

You can refinance outstanding balance up to 35 years. Any other extras to be taken is only at maximum 10 years. Original loan amount is not to be considered.

Essentially this is to prevent cash out based on appreciated property value.

This post has been edited by KChan: Feb 11 2014, 10:18 AM
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post Feb 11 2014, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(cockee @ Feb 11 2014, 10:25 AM)
Actually, you already made it quite clear. And agree those units for sale so soon after VP are consider units for flipping.
The questions are how many of those posts are duplicates (you assumed 3), and how many of these flippers got holding power.

How many units are there in Amaya? About 400?

If there are 3X duplicated ad, then the no. of units on offer is 318. Wow! 80% of the units are for flipping.
If there are 4X duplicated ad, then the no. of units on offer is 238. Hmm.. 60% are for flipping.
If there are 5x duplicated ad, then the no. of units on offer is 190. That's almost 47%.

Of coz, those with vested interest will says it's 10X duplicated and only 90 units are for flipping lor. Hehehe..
But i think the figures should be between 60-70%.
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There is no way to determine the number of flippers. Based on experience, those listing might be posted by agents who doesn't even hold any units or have any units for sale. They probably have gotten hold of the owners contact list and keep harassing owners that they have ready buyers. Their modus operandi is find buyers first then one-by-one call owners to make them an offer.

After saying that, based on sample data below, everyone has their rights to make a decision themselves:-
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Property   iProp Units Count Unit Constructed  Percentage on Sale
The Treez   551    162    340.12%
Amaya Maluri  375    399    93.98%
Binjai 8   252    310    81.29%
Verve Suites  437    933    46.84%
Tiara Mutiara  184    403    45.66%
Park 51   264    664    39.76%
Empire Damansara 607    1749    34.71%
1120 Park Avenue 257    1120    22.95%


Those are a handfuls of property that VP in 2013

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