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English Clubs Liverpool Kop Talk 2014, Liv 1-1 WBA, A Draw...CL Spot We Aim

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post Jan 13 2014, 03:27 PM

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Overall, I do not think it was good performance last night.

Most of the time, Liv was under pressure (particular second half despite score 3 goals all come from counter attack), and defence look shaky particularly with aerial ball.
It was the clinical forward play that make the different.

A nail biting match for fan, and exciting match for neutral.

Positive
1. The team manage to score again even losing the 2-0 lead become 2-2, which is rare last time.
2. SSS (Suarez, Sturridge, Sterling) look threatening most of the time when going forward.

Negative
1. Defence still a big issue. Without ability to keep clean sheet, there is a limit how far the team can go.
Cannot always rely on outscoring opponent to win matches, particularly against top team.

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post Jan 14 2014, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(markblurberry @ Jan 13 2014, 06:40 PM)
As most would agree, this Liverpool side play some free flowing football. With attractive attacking football fundamental, players are encourage to find space to hurt opposition. This is the result of BR unshackling the attacking part of the team. Our approach under Houllier and Rafa were always measured, control and possession based.

With BR, there is a lax in control and in don't mean it in a negative way, instead, players are encouraged to make runs and creative passes to unlock defences. Unfortunately, this unshackling and creative freedom comes at a cost, a shakier defense - as players took risk and run into empty space which created a void in return, that can be exploited.

As such, like it or not, SG is still the figure head in midfield, being the more measured player. He took calculated risk as oppose to all out attack, and he understand that tracking back is crucial to prevent the defense from being exposed. AS such, the flow of yesterday's game was affected with SG in the side. Not blaming SG in any shape or form, but a lot of fine tuning is needed for this team to mature. I'd say it is still work in progress unless the right personnel can come in. Skrtle, altho is not world class defender, but I think is the best available option, given his balance in both aggression and pace. As such I cant see BR dropping Skrtle, and also part reason we go for Sakho, for his pace, off the ball and aggression. Without a pacey defender, we wont be able to attack as free flow as we possibly can.

Ideally, if we can get someone that fit the profile of Mark Van Bommel or Philipe Cocu, or Hamann, then I'd think we have sufficiently strengthen the squad. Again it is not easy to find the right CM. Manure been searching highlow for the right person to operate from the middle, but no avail, the reason scoles was recalled last season....and did their recent acquisition felaini solve their issue? I am sure not...all in all, January might not be the right time to get the right sort of player to fill the CM position altho I wouldn't mind Kevin DeBruyne, but how I wish...
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A lot of goal conceded, come from DM or CB not closing down opponent attacker, clearly seen with 2 Stoke's goals.
This is the mistake that Liv need to rectify.
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post Jan 14 2014, 11:18 AM

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The criticism on Gerrard is not justified.

The squad is thin, if not playing Gerrard at DM or CM, who should be the starting XI?

Even I viewed Gerrard had a sub-par game against Stoke (number of miss-passes), there is no other better candidate to fill up the boot.
Gerrard can still quite good is spraying diagonal passes around, that lead to assist on goal.

You can't expect an energetic run, box to box from a 33 years old midfielder, scoring screamer 20~30 yards goal like last time out, carry the team single handed.

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post Jan 14 2014, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Jan 14 2014, 12:12 PM)
No, we are not expecting him to be 10 years younger, but we do expect him to not give possession away unnecessary and draw pressure back to us, which he did many times on Saturday. You yourself mentioned in your previous post that the DM is part of the fault for the goals. Gerrard WAS the deepest midfielder.

Contrary to what you have said, we do have options. We could have started Henderson and Lucas in the middle, why not? I rather take safe passes than what Gerrard offered on Saturday.

All I was saying is Gerrard had an off game. The difference between Gerrard having an off game today than 10 years ago is that, with the lack of pace and legs, he will be a bigger burden to the team. I'm sure when he returns to his usual sharpness, he would spray those long, early passes. But that doesn't mean he was above criticism on Saturday.
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You have the point, I also had the same view about Gerrard sub-par performance.
I don't say Gerrard had a good game. smile.gif

Lack of fast closing down, mobility and miss-passes were valid criticism.

Just prior before the match, if you are the manager, you need to draft starting XI, if put Henderson and Lucas in the middle, means Gerrard on the bench, who to slot in?
Sturridge (just return from injury, don't think so), it just means drop Gerrard and put Aspas or Alberto?

The point I highlighted is that prior before the match start, we do not know Gerrard will deliver a sub-par performance or not.
Just like below review mentioned. smile.gif


QUOTE(markblurberry @ Jan 14 2014, 12:13 PM)
If I review SG as a player, I can hardly find any fault both technically and physically. He is at the right height, strong physical strength, great ability with his feet...not to mention 2 footed packed with power. A player that excel in open play as well as set pieces, ohh and nearly miss out - a decent header of the ball too....


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post Jan 14 2014, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(hfi @ Jan 14 2014, 03:29 PM)
But you just said the criticism for Gerrard is not justified yet you outlined some criticisms? I personally thought he should have started the game as there was no other alternatives and i think he did well for most part of the game. But he was also sloppy at times and were involved in at least 2 of the goals we conceded.
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I posted when I read below 2 comments. smile.gif
Especially dropping Gerrard from starting XI in Stoke match. (who know Gerrard can be sloppy and not provide diagonal passes or through passes that lead to goal assist in the match before the match started?),

There is not many option if the manager want to draft the start XI, to be fair.

If not starting Gerrard and Johnson, I cannot brain other option with current set up and personality that Liv current available.

Somemore, Gerrard did score a penalty with a cool head instead blast it (just like Palace penalty vs Spurs match, I watched the match). It seems easy in TV, but many did blast it to the roof of stadium or wide easily.

Gerrard was poor in the match, end of story. Never did I say Gerrard had a good match.

Only if Gerrard consistently poor across, only then the criticism of dropping Gerrard is justified.
Gerrard is still the leading goal assist player in the team so far, and a player that still showing ability to provide dangerous cross in for attacker to score. (flash in my mind was Sturridge goals against Everton in 3-3)

QUOTE(hotboyccds @ Jan 13 2014, 10:56 PM)
why johnson stil able to be in the starting line-up was beyond me. i think the half fit kelly should be better than him.

so whats up with the transfer news now?
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QUOTE(shamsul_LP @ Jan 13 2014, 11:27 PM)
It still a misery for me. Also, gerrard. No matter how poor he is, he will be automatic starter..no one has ball to drop him and some even afraid to criticize him..imagine if allen play poor like gerrard yesterday.. brows.gif
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post Jan 19 2014, 10:43 AM

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It is not the first time, BR get the tactic and personnel wrong.
I hope the manager master the tactical issue fast.

It is a point gain, instead loss of 2 points, if judge from the match performance perspective.

As I had said many time, defence fragility issue needs to be sorted out, if not even 4th place is hard to achieve without a good defence.
Defence fragility is one of reason, why Liv is not having good result (in fact, most loss) against top team.
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post Jan 20 2014, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(terryfu @ Jan 20 2014, 02:15 PM)
Both goals were scored when both our FB was not around. One from the right and one from the left. I mean if SG had to cover for the FB, thats tough. Not only did cissokho look clueless, he shoot have passed when there was an opportunity for SAS to score instead he took a shot that would have been a homerun if it was a baseball game.
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First goal, Gerrard did track back Weimann, but ball watching afterwards in six yard area, instead looking on the man.
Under BR, as far as I noticed, FB has license to roam up the field, while DM is the one to cover, if the FB not manage to track back.

Second goal, cannot blame Johnson entirely, as Mignolet did come out to punch, which might distract the view and anticipation by Johnson, while Johnson did the right thing to be in front of Benteke (whenever cross come in defender should always in front of attacker), it is the open goal that left by Mignolet, that enable Benteke to have a simple header in.
So GK should share the bulk of the blame on second goal.

Having said that, it is poor team performance as a whole on first half, which if not their finishing was not clinical enough, Liv might 0-3, or 0-4 down on first half.
The poor performance could due to poor/wrong tactic deployed and wrong personnel.

The team was playing good flowing football previous few matches generally, but due to tactical change and personnel change, the whole team looked disjointed.
Defence still rather poor, this season hardly get many clean sheet, even against relegation teams also conceded.
Apart against Spurs 5-0, and early season 3 matches 1-0, I cannot remember any clean sheet.
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post Jan 22 2014, 07:54 AM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 22 2014, 07:41 AM)
Tottenham are going through somewhat of a revival since Tim Sherwood took charge with I find somewhat surprising given his lack managerial experience. Not seen him since he was playing for Spurs. They've taken something like 16 points from a possible 18. They do however have the toughest fixture list in the second half of the season amongst the current top sides so it remains to be seen if they can keep this momentum going. In any case I've always advocated worrying about our own fortunes first.

On the Suarez issues I'm tired of the media constantly singling him out.  They're  still talking about the Guzan incident up until today despite numerous pundits (including one Gary Neville i might add) dispelling any notions that it was a dive. Fact of the matter is almost every player goes down under the slightest bit of contact especialy in the box.
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Many pundits actually comment it is not a 100% dive, end of story, I don't know what is huha about the issue.

There were incident players stick out their leg, the let the GK catch them, and won penalty as well.
A perfect legitimate penalty, based on rules of the book.
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post Jan 28 2014, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Jan 28 2014, 09:34 AM)
Read some forums somewhere, seems BR's buys (record) were abysmal. FSG isn't gonna sanction over top dollar for players valuation. Most likely nada transfer at all in this january.

Sit tight, we are gonna be a interesting 2nd half of the season.

I suppose we need to find every grit, strength at every socks, boots, players dressing room we can muster for the remaining season.
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Last summer signing, Ilori, Aspas, Alberto, mostly sitting on the bench, and only play bid part coming from the bench.

Apart Sakho, previously summer signings mostly are not making into the starting XI in most matches.

As far, my view, so far only 2 signing that are good.
Sturridge and Coutinho.


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post Jan 29 2014, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(mugenz @ Jan 29 2014, 01:31 PM)
Sterling pace is godlike. But lack of finishing and flare.

My opinion is he's too lembik. Frustrate defender, too easily fouled. Already earned two penalty lol
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His pace is giving all sort of trouble for opponent defender, distract opponent defender give more room to Suarez or Sturridge.

In PL, pace is very important aspect of the game as well.
Look how Owen make use his pace led to many goals scored.
So if he learned some finishing skill from Owen, Suarez or Sturridge, he can be a good player.

Liv attacking does look more threatening with his pace.


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post Jan 29 2014, 11:12 PM

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Why media always use abc country, xyz country Messi?
Last time, Liv also got next Zidane as well, just recenly Welsh Xavi... sweat.gif

Now also the term new Robben...


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post Jan 30 2014, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Jan 30 2014, 01:08 PM)
This dude is more of a finished article compared to Salah. Watch Salah's video off youtube and you will have an impression that he is very speedy and constantly making runs off the ball looking for scoring opportunities. Konoplyanka on the other hand is much more skillful on the ball and is able to score from outside the box.
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Frankly speaking, we can't rely on youtube to judge a player, as generally all clip are picked, cut for the best one.

Sterling may also be English version of Messi if properly cut several clips with good footwork with pace as well, may be goals as well. laugh.gif

If not mistakne, I remembered Liv also had a player who can put 5 balls consecutively into a bin accurately from some distance out, that was in the youtube as well.
I don't know whether it is still available or not.
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post Jan 31 2014, 04:28 PM

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I don't know why many upset when if Spurs tries to bid player that Liv interested.

Liv should thank Spurs for buying previously few players that Liv was interested before (whether it is rumour or true, that I don't know). whistling.gif


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post Feb 4 2014, 10:38 AM

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BR needs to learn something from Mourinho.
He is very good in how to use tactic to get a result wanted, even though personnel at his disposal may not as good as the opponent.

Liv cannot always rely on outscoring opponent to win matches.

Liv away form still rather poor, as good as Aston Villa and Southampton, and poorer than Newcastle.
In term of goal conceded in away stat, Liv is the poorest among the top half team.


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post Feb 5 2014, 11:58 AM

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Mig may need to share some blame on the goal, as he still passed the ball to defender when there was opponent attacker pressing around.
But it will not be a goal, if Toure just hop it high to upfront or just kick out for throw in, if really underpressured time.

Solely blame Mig that resulted 2 points drop is harsh although his distribution ball is poor.
What about the penalty save made by him in the early season? he solely gain 2 points for Liv.

Mig needs to work out more on the distribution part, but defenders also spreaded too wide in between them in this circumstances.
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post Feb 6 2014, 09:39 PM

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The red line across the yellow jersey look like this icon wacko.gif

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post Feb 8 2014, 09:04 AM

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QUOTE(firmup @ Feb 7 2014, 06:35 PM)
settle with a 2-0 win
win with a 4-0 is bonus
win with a 1-0 is expected

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Clean sheet against Arsenal?
I don't think so. I hope I am wrong as well.


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post Feb 8 2014, 03:38 PM

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3-0 against Tiki-taka Arsenal and a team with the most clean sheet in PL this season, with a Liv's leaking defence?

The chance is as good as hitting lottery. tongue.gif



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